Seen your work and your in for a treat when you do so . How can you call the post solid and you haven't even experienced what everyone is talking about ???? These are your OWN words .

I cant wait and see what your results will be and I will keep an eye out for that .

This is where CCP really f'd over those of us that have proto SLs.
1. Range--I wouldn't mind the reduction to damage if it wasn't coupled with the fact that SL range has been excessively reduced. Hopefully this is CCP's starting point for giving us variety in SLs that offer weaker swarms with longer ranges vs. more powerful swarms with reduced range. This leads to

2. Speed--even without the nitro bug, how difficult is it going to be for a tank to escape the 175 yard lock-on range of swarms now? You're looking at maybe two or three volleys that can be fired before you escape...but combined with the nerf to SL damage, 2 or 3 volleys shouldn't worry anyone, particularly when

3. Hardeners--an active hardener scoffs at anything infantry can throw at it, aside from a heavy-duty FG.

In essence, to utilize my SL I now have to run into the thick of battle (assuming that tanks aren't wandering around in the wilderness,) wait for the tank to let down it's hardeners and pray that the driver magically forgets where the gas pedal is as soon as the first volley hits; otherwise, I then have to either chase him down (please note the difference in speeds) or else learn how to dodge bullets while waiting for the tank to come back into range.

Honestly, CCP just needed to make small tweaks to SL damage and lower the cost of militia tanks (and fix the invisible swarms) and things would have been alright.

I just see another entitlement thread from a princess tanker who thinks he deserves to dominate because he's driving a tank.



Any tank could kill any infantry, lav, installation, or even another tank in seconds, but you want to try and convince us that someone who has equipped theirself for the specific cause of taking you down and then got the drop on you, shouldn't be allowed to do the same to you. I question your intelligence, but thank you for your post. It might help a noob or two.



If you have everything maxed out, then you may get up to 500k for a tank, but I doubt most people are spending that. last build my standard LAV+suit was over 400k, and if I ran with a proto turret, it was over 600k. So why do you think I shouldn't be able to solo a tank? You get to solo me and everyone else on the map?

how the hell did tankers adapt to anything? They still pranced around pointing and clicking on everything in sight and then ran to the red zone and red line sniped when someone was shooting at them. They need to take off their skirts and fight, otherwise they have no room to b****.

Tanks can still be solo'd, but it's mostly because there are so many stupid tankers out here now that don't know what they're doing. And then there are people like me who don't do anything but look for tanks to be at there weak point.

All this interesting and good advice on how to kill tanks. When will see unedited video footage of these tactics, will we see this interesting ad good advice in action?


I have yet to see it on the battlefield.

If you get the drop on a tank then its hardeners are off, thats how you get the drop on a tank, yes you can solo it but you have to think about it instead of pointlessly spamming your AV weapon at a tank with its hardeners on and while its looking at you

LAV+suit 400k? lol, my proto FG is 200k max but also my LAV is 50k maybe 100k if i fit it right and the missile on it is left as standard because my AV weapon is better than my turret

You can solo it, just got to think about how to do it like i said

6+months of proto AV getting consistant buffs, invisible missiles, crap rendering and tank nerfs yet we still did tank, i still did tank in PC matches even tho i was in a moving coffin waiting to die at any moment and that wasnt because of enemy tanks it was because of AV

Point and click, lolno and also we couldnt red line snipe, rendering was broken

all credibility lost in the first few words. congratulations. you are a prime example of a bad tank pilot, just another average tank driver that is biased and stuck in his tunnelvision dreamworld.

additionally your memory seems to be really bad, it were the tank drivers whining all around how their tanks are not able to solo entire squads like an average CoD kid math and vids of matches shown months ago that a tank can survive a single proto swarm for 20 seconds, some people in dust uni can but those allmighty self-appointed pros could not, the irony.

there were obvious problems, like roof forges due to map design, too fast scaling AV weaponry and core mechanics but none of them were really fixed, all the problems were now shifted to tanks itself. you do not need to have a magic crystal ball to see what will happen now, CCP will realise the mistake, swing the nerfhammer really hard and you will be begging to get 1.6 back.

final notes:
my tank is now cheaper than a full proto suit fit but is practically invincible to infantry and takes alot of effort to take down and I dont even use the bugged militia nitro, I am plenty fast without it. the only counter I have is other tanks. its like playing rock paper scissor with the difference that rocks only die to other rocks. I know what I will be picking only rocks now.

I have been reading the changes and thinking about how tanks work and how to counter them. I call his post solid, because it aligned with my understanding of the deeper mechanics, and gave me some insights that I will be happy to use against him if I should encounter him on the battlefield.

Due to scheduling I only managed to play 2 matches on Wednesday and 2 matches today since the patch. I blew up 3 tanks with my Swarm Launcher on Wednesday, but I think they were new tankers in Militia tanks. I had no tanks in my 2 matches this morning unfortunately. I need to see how the Proto Swarm Launcher stacks against a good tanker, then test the Advanced, to get a feel for the current state of the Swarm Launcher.

I need to get a feel for what the active modules look like when a tank is using them and how long they last. Then figure out reliable tactics for tricking Tankers into using their actives early, and then catching them with their pants down.

Now, if I canGÇÖt at least put the fear of God into a Tanker with his actives on cooldown, then I will come back and ask for a slight damage buff for the Swarm Launcher. A standard tank should not be able to ignore a Proto Swarm Launcher when its actives are on cooldown.

I am also going to be trying to put together 3 person AV squads and test some group tactics.

So you're saying that because you paid more than 500k LAST BUILD, you should be able to beat someone with a fitting that costs 500k after MASSIVE redesign. Your LAV and suit almost certainly cost less now than they did last build, go look up the ACTUAL value before trying to compare.

If you get the drop on a tank then its hardeners are off, thats how you get the drop on a tank, yes you can solo it but you have to think about it instead of pointlessly spamming your AV weapon at a tank with its hardeners on and while its looking at you

LAV+suit 400k? lol, my proto FG is 200k max but also my LAV is 50k maybe 100k if i fit it right and the missile on it is left as standard because my AV weapon is better than my turret

You can solo it, just got to think about how to do it like i said

6+months of proto AV getting consistant buffs, invisible missiles, crap rendering and tank nerfs yet we still did tank, i still did tank in PC matches even tho i was in a moving coffin waiting to die at any moment and that wasnt because of enemy tanks it was because of AV

Point and click, lolno and also we couldnt red line snipe, rendering was broken

Point and click, lolno

So what are your opinions on making vehicles require teamwork?

I'm surprised that so many tankers are happy that their profession has become so noob friendly. One of the only skills left is to not be completely terrible, and even that seems to be getting lenient

First of all anyone that was a worthwhile AVer even before 1.7 waited until active modules were down. Second tell me when AV got a buff in the last 6 months because I've been using AV since the E3 build and the only change the swarm launcher and the FG have ever received was what happened in 1.7? (And the nerf to swarms so they couldn't dumbfire anymore that happened back in closed beta but yea they haven't been buffed tanks just got nerfed in uprising) Third the crap rendering wasn't my fault it's CCPs. I didn't know when I was shooting invisible swarms. I do agree the swarms range needed a nerf but 175m is too much.

First of all anyone that was a worthwhile AVer even before 1.7 waited until active modules were down. Second tell me when AV got a buff in the last 6 months because I've been using AV since the E3 build and the only change the swarm launcher and the FG have ever received was what happened in 1.7? (And the nerf to swarms so they couldn't dumbfire anymore that happened back in closed beta but yea they haven't been buffed tanks just got nerfed in uprising) Third the crap rendering wasn't my fault it's CCPs. I didn't know when I was shooting invisible swarms. I do agree the swarms range needed a nerf but 175m is too much.

Wouldnt say noob friendly

Can still easily wreck noob tanks but they do have a chance to wreck me if i dont pay attention

Its just like using BPO infantry stuff to wreck proto suits

My BPO infantry suit isn't immune to all small arms fire and can't counter almost all threats on the field.

You might as well compare a Japanese giant hornet to a gnat.

You know something is wrong when your most effective way to kill a tank is a LAV packed with remotes...

While I think they went a little too far with the tweaks on both sides.. I like how tanks are a factor again. Its annoying to have to switch to AV to kill them :(

I didn't know about the bug that was causing the crazy speed I have seen in 1.7, so I am glad that will be fixed soonTM.

Once that crazy speed is gone balance will again be restored.

P.S. OP.. you come off like a douchebag lol. I know the shoe hasn't been on your foot for a long time, but now that you are OP do you really have to sit there and relish in it? Just be quiet and enjoy your godmode for now lol.

Clearly your humility needs a buff.

Seeing more QQ tank threads

This should help a bit more, if you can read that is

Not really

BPO infantry suit can deal with infantry stuff

Likewise a militia tank can deal with tank threats

If you want small arms fire to damage a tank then you are playing the wrong game