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dogmanpig black market bank 75	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:34:00 - [121] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Use AV weaponry on actual tanks in real life and you will come to understand how entirely worthless they actually are. Umm.... Edit: And of course there is this. first from " only lightly damaging the tank which drove home under its own power " and second from " Javelin launchers and missiles are rather expensive target heat contrasts poorly with the terrain, the missile can miss " so you were saying? You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:35:00 - [122] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Cost so much? They're cheaper than an advanced suit Even well fit ones are only a couple of proto suits at best Of course you want PRO turret prices back at 1mil ISK. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
NOAMIzzzzz Pradox One Proficiency V. 70	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:36:00 - [123] - Quote um...aren't they like cheap now? lel
Vesperz D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 19	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:37:00 - [124] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Vesperz wrote: Ahem. Just destroyed two tanks yesterday using nothing but sticky RE's. Snuck up behind while it was busy shooting my team mates. Big explosions and kill points while running away giggling. Number two? Dropped atop of a tank and stuck RE's once again, again explosions and kill points. ... I run scout. Fun times were had. Just thought I'd share. Well done. o7 o7 Thank you sir. It wasn't easy let me tall ya' I don't run tanks at all, but I mean if myself, in a scout suit can take down a tank MGS Solid Snake style - Hmmm, what does that say to the complainers about tanks being OP? An assassin's blade isn't seen nor heard, it is felt.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:38:00 - [125] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: See, this guy isn't a tanker but he gets it. Is it really that hard? I would be happy with prices being jacked back up; it'd help with the spam. As it is, you shouldn't be losing too many tanks anyway. And you know what the funniest thing would be? If CCP leaves HAVs as they are. Wouldn't that shit some people off... He is a tanker, he squads with Spkr4thedead all the time. Also I like the bit where he says tanks are fun now, implying he drives tanks enough to have hated it before. You know what we want as an AVer, we at the very very least want tanks to **** off when we use AV, not charge in closer because they know they are invincible. I think I've played 2 PCs with Himiko and that's about it. Dunno what you're talking about. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:40:00 - [126] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Today, just for lols, I made a MLT Soma with a MLT Hardener, MLT Active Scanner, and MLT Fuel Injector (they are no longer bugged). I went 11/1 (My 1 death was due to an RDV dropping a Tank on me after my initial spawn) At one point, I pulled up to an objective (B on the new map with the Obelisk) and proceeded to wreak havoc. I was hit with 3 AV Nades, 2 FG Shots, and a Swarm Volley. This put me at half Armor. I Activated my Hardener and Fuel Injector and fled the scene, circled around by Delta, then to Alpha Where I was hit with a OB. I hit Hardener and Fuel Injector again and got out with more than 3/4 Armor. The next match I called in my Soma, and began battling another HAV. I was hit with 3 Railgun Shots before I hit my Hardeners and Fuel Injectors, and Proceeded to flee, but continued to take Railgun fire from another HAV and an Rail Installation. Six Rail Blasts finally took my Soma down. This was the first time I ever drove an HAV and I have no SP invested in Vehicles. HAVs are ridiculous now. I'll believe it when I see it. I don't believe infantry can get in a tank and wreck everything right off the bat. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Omareth Nasadra Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:40:00 - [127] - Quote spkr why you just don't shut up Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:40:00 - [128] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. While Dust still has Description of FPS in it. Not likely. it's not played as a RTS nor MMO. AV stuff is merely to annoy? You don't even believe that. LOL A lot of tanks QQ lately. wonder why? could it be something might come for them in the horizon? To infantry, FPS means no vehicles ever. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 422	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:42:00 - [129] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Tanks prices are way cheaper..... Still meant to wreck you. AV is meant to wreck tanks, your point is null and void. Why should AV solo a force multiplier? Your siganture "Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry." is blatantly false as HAVs have never required teamwork to be effective. But to put it simply, again, since it's apparently a difficult concept for many vehicle pilots to comprehend... AV equals Anti-Vehicle. It does not mean Annoy-Vehicle. Probably still too difficult for you. Try this... When operating an HAV takes three pilots with SP spent on HAV operation to make it do anything, then you can come back with the argument that it should require three AV to take it down. Until then your inability to comprehend GAME balance issues as related to that particular play style is noted and filed. I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:43:00 - [130] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Today, just for lols, I made a MLT Soma with a MLT Hardener, MLT Active Scanner, and MLT Fuel Injector (they are no longer bugged). I went 11/1 (My 1 death was due to an RDV dropping a Tank on me after my initial spawn) At one point, I pulled up to an objective (B on the new map with the Obelisk) and proceeded to wreak havoc. I was hit with 3 AV Nades, 2 FG Shots, and a Swarm Volley. This put me at half Armor. I Activated my Hardener and Fuel Injector and fled the scene, circled around by Delta, then to Alpha Where I was hit with a OB. I hit Hardener and Fuel Injector again and got out with more than 3/4 Armor. The next match I called in my Soma, and began battling another HAV. I was hit with 3 Railgun Shots before I hit my Hardeners and Fuel Injectors, and Proceeded to flee, but continued to take Railgun fire from another HAV and an Rail Installation. Six Rail Blasts finally took my Soma down. This was the first time I ever drove an HAV and I have no SP invested in Vehicles. HAVs are ridiculous now. Complete fable. Cool story bro. You know people can do math right? Yea because I would go through the trouble of making up such an elaborate story. People have done worse. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:45:00 - [131] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: I'll just leave this here for you TANKER GODS you. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate tankers that went into tanking cause of drivers is what they wanted to be. But my stance has always been the same. NERDS THAT NEVER BOTHERED WITH ANY FPS GAME COMING IN AND PAWNING MY BROTHERS. and I saw this coming. Not all tankers share all you old tankers code of conduct. The pendulum swung in your favor. It's your turn. But for how long it depends on you. nothing brings on a faster nerf to tanking then a tanker. I've been playing shooters online for 10 years. Started dealing with vehicles in 2005 with SOCOM III. What now? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1315	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:48:00 - [132] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. And AV stands for Anti-Vehicle and it should wreck vehicles, otherwise it should be renamed to RVS or Repellent Vehicle Spray so it can repel the vehicle for a short amount of time, witch it is doing right now. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:48:00 - [133] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vehicles are meant to wreck you. However, that does not mean that they are meant to have theoretical invulnerability to AV weapons. Something that with less than 200k SP can easily withstand and escape all forms of AV with ease? Seems balanced.. And I'm not even talking about the MLT NOS bug, as all vehicles can easily evade AV with not a care or consequence in the world without NOS. The entitlement here is hilarious. Yet it's reasonable to want to solo vehicles with STD AV? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 422	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:49:00 - [134] - Quote Vesperz wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Vesperz wrote: Ahem. Just destroyed two tanks yesterday using nothing but sticky RE's. Snuck up behind while it was busy shooting my team mates. Big explosions and kill points while running away giggling. Number two? Dropped atop of a tank and stuck RE's once again, again explosions and kill points. ... I run scout. Fun times were had. Just thought I'd share. Well done. o7 o7 Thank you sir. It wasn't easy let me tall ya' I don't run tanks at all, but I mean if myself, in a scout suit can take down a tank MGS Solid Snake style - Hmmm, what does that say to the complainers about tanks being OP? Like I said, well done, but you have the SP invested in the gear to make the tactic work. Not everyone who wants to be AV want's to play it the same way you do and they shouldn't have to. I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:49:00 - [135] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: LOL the "aura" on most vehicles won't render past 15m. And how can you attack something when It easily flees with no effort or care whatsoever? And no don't feed me the "It's only because of the MLT NOS glitch" bs. A vehicle with even basic or no NOS modules can still easily evade the area. The whole "waves of opportunity" argument is thrown out of the window when the vehicle can easily swim to safety after the wave has hit. NOS/Afterburners need to be removed. Well, when swarm users were not rendering, AV scrubs like yourself passed the HTFU hat around. So don't give me that **** about not being able to see the hardener activation when I can see it from a long way off while carrying an AR. But even if you couldn't see it, I would tell you to wait until they fix it. Shouldn't take long. Until then, you can suck it up like you told so many tankers to. So glad to see you crying. Makes up for all those stupid posts of yours. Oh I'm sure new and intermediate players are doing sucking it up. By deleting Dust, and playing the many MMOs for free on the PS4 and PC that are more balanced than this game. Because it's balanced that you go into pub matches with a squad of 6 using all PRO gear against 10 people that don't know to get in squads. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
dogmanpig black market bank 75	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:50:00 - [136] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Your siganture "Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry." is blatantly false as HAVs have never required teamwork to be effective. when vehicles can capture objectives, go in doors, and give themselfs ammo without going to a depot or calling a new one in then they won't require teamwork, till then they do require teamwork. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:50:00 - [137] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: lol you serious? my suit cost more than your tank. how convenient you use probs your most expensive suit and compare it to your cheapest tank fit....convenient How convenient the cheapest tank is 50x better than his most expensive fit.... How do you think the ***** were able to stomp Africa? Tanks Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:51:00 - [138] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Well you have corps like Nyan San (is that how it's spelled?) who pretty much dominate the field with their tanks, because those guys stick to each other like white on rice. Tag team tank buddies seem like broken hax, but working together is getting them insane results. They were like that before though. I'm slowly compiling a list of players that I don't bother fielding a tank against, when they're on the field. For Ambush games, one thing I've definitely noticed is that experienced AV players have become awesome at bunkering down where tanks can't reach them, and burning them up. Cocky tankers just sit there with hardeners up, spamming blaster shots over and over again, while the guy who just coated them with RE's is patiently waiting for them to stop glowing. Why are you in ambush? Objectives too difficult for you? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:52:00 - [139] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much crediblity lost in the first sentence. a tank is cheap now beside that ISK is not a balance factor, which again shows your lack of credibility. Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. aka biased tank driver in disguise pre patch armor tanks and proper fit took 20 - 30 seconds (depending on the amount of damage mods) to kill SOLO with proto swarms. I wonder what those people crying about solo guys killing them did in those timeframe. roof forges is a map design issue. the only real issue that existet is that getting into a tank resistant enough to proto AV took long while you could get proto AV in a week of playing. it is simple, in a game with limited amount of players, as long as a tank only needs 1 person to operate, 1 person has to be able to get the ability to hold him off wihtout having to resort to the same tool. if you dont understand this then you have no credibility and dont bother to post, because you just make yourself look stupid and highlight how bad you are. in fact, all the tank QQ was already highlighting how bad some players just are. most tank driver behave like average CoD kids, they want be able to run into a squad alone, kill everyone and move out alive and if it does not happen, they cry on the forum. the latest games speak a clear language, you cant even call a LAV cause the teams limit is filled out with only tanks. it would be naiv to believe that this will stay like it is now, CCP will sooner or later realize the mistake and swing the nerf hammer again. enjoy while it lasts, I will just watch the show and again collect the tears of all bad tank drivers whining all over the forum. please, amuse me and try to answer with some real arguments, because I already know you cant, you are too biased and stuck into your little tunnelvision dreamworld. Wise words Mr.Mcready. But then again.Vehicle drivers need their crutch.... Never knew a play style was a crutch.................. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:53:00 - [140] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Attorney General wrote: I personally invested into tanks because my corp needed another tanker for PC. I took an ALT(because I wasn't pissing away my main) and specced him into tanks when uprising hit. I stuck it out because I wasn't bad at it, and people still needed a tanker. But of course, people could never spec into something because that is the role they like doing, even if it is difficult? Hell, a big part of the appeal of tanking was the difficulty, because not everyone could do it. LOLWhat? What makes a tank so difficult? And no, everyone didn't spec into tanks because not everyone wants to sit inside an easy mode steel box all day. This from someone that supposedly spec'd into both, and still had to use swarms to destroy tanks. Oh the irony. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 422	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:53:00 - [141] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Your siganture "Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry." is blatantly false as HAVs have never required teamwork to be effective. when vehicles can capture objectives, go in doors, and give themselfs ammo without going to a depot or calling a new one in then they won't require teamwork, till then they do require teamwork. You poor deluded soul. I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 336	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:59:00 - [142] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Your siganture "Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry." is blatantly false as HAVs have never required teamwork to be effective. when vehicles can capture objectives, go in doors, and give themselfs ammo without going to a depot or calling a new one in then they won't require teamwork, till then they do require teamwork. You can get ammo from supply depots as well. Regarding the Rest Drive to objective kill every one leave your tank hack objective hop in your tank drive to next objective = done no teamwork needed. If no supply depot is near hop out of your tank throw a hive hop in again = done no teamwork needed. But of course this would put you at risk...and is only needed if you care for winning if you don't care you can just drive around in your tank killing stuff just like a sniper that sits in the redline to get safe kills...
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:00:00 - [143] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Never forget, that swarms were never OP to Atiim, and the other scrubs. It did exactly what they wanted, they never cared about anyone elses enjoyment out of the game, and it made them feel powerful with very little effort. Now that they are not having as much fun, everything needs to be reoriented towards them again. Swarms weren't OP in my eyes because unlike scrubby $#!t fits, I could actually survive them. Though I won't deny that Gunnlogies needed a buff. They were the ones who were truly UP. Along with lolrendering. And again, you say this as if piloting anything other than a DS requires more skill than an AR. You can be OP all you want. Nobody is going to use anything but another tank now anyway. The Attorney General wrote: Must have been an only child with parents who spoiled him. Please Don't Lol you couldn't survive a small MLT missile turret from a dropship. What makes you think you could survive PRO AV with little SP invested into tanks? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Lorhak Gannarsein 689	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:41:00 - [144] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: dogmanpig wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Your siganture "Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry." is blatantly false as HAVs have never required teamwork to be effective. when vehicles can capture objectives, go in doors, and give themselfs ammo without going to a depot or calling a new one in then they won't require teamwork, till then they do require teamwork. You can get ammo from supply depots as well. Regarding the Rest Drive to objective kill every one leave your tank hack objective hop in your tank drive to next objective = done no teamwork needed. If no supply depot is near hop out of your tank throw a hive hop in again = done no teamwork needed. But of course this would put you at risk...and is only needed if you care for winning if you don't care you can just drive around in your tank killing stuff just like a sniper that sits in the redline to get safe kills... Would you hop out of your protosuit for some marginal gain that is likely to result in your death? No, of course you wouldn't. And you're clearly unaware of the fact that the only way for a tank to reapply is at a supply depot. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 134	Posted - 2013.12.13 12:33:00 - [145] - Quote tanks are meant to be used as mobile turrets, anti-AV or simple to lay waste or plow through to enemy positions, not to go and F1 speed and kill everything that exists Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur (Today is a good day for someone else to die).
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 337	Posted - 2013.12.13 12:43:00 - [146] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: dogmanpig wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Your siganture "Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry." is blatantly false as HAVs have never required teamwork to be effective. when vehicles can capture objectives, go in doors, and give themselfs ammo without going to a depot or calling a new one in then they won't require teamwork, till then they do require teamwork. You can get ammo from supply depots as well. Regarding the Rest Drive to objective kill every one leave your tank hack objective hop in your tank drive to next objective = done no teamwork needed. If no supply depot is near hop out of your tank throw a hive hop in again = done no teamwork needed. But of course this would put you at risk...and is only needed if you care for winning if you don't care you can just drive around in your tank killing stuff just like a sniper that sits in the redline to get safe kills... Would you hop out of your protosuit for some marginal gain that is likely to result in your death? No, of course you wouldn't. And you're clearly unaware of the fact that the only way for a tank to reapply is at a supply depot. I do not need to hop out of my DS I put myself at risk everytime I hack an objective or engange the enemy... Again noone forces you to leave your tank and you can use the tank at full potential without anyone else. You know I have been in skirmish matches were infantry didn't bother to hack as well. It depends on your will to win but that does not mean you need teamwork to go on a killing spree with your tank. Regarding the hives I was pretty sure they work with vehicles as well if not, my mistake.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1898	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:42:00 - [147] - Quote This still going on? Well it will keep going on aslong as you keep put swarms against shields while we are shiny
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 894	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:46:00 - [148] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Use AV weaponry on actual tanks in real life and you will come to understand how entirely worthless they actually are. Umm.... Edit: And of course there is this. first from " only lightly damaging the tank which drove home under its own power " and second from " Javelin launchers and missiles are rather expensive target heat contrasts poorly with the terrain, the missile can miss " so you were saying? I see you failed to notice "In September 5, 2007 an RPG-29V hit the side turret of an M1 tank in Baghdad, caused 1 KIA and 2 WIA, the tank was seriously damaged" and that was with a single RPG-29V. These are shaped charges. The amount of damage done to the vehicle is dependent on where the vehicle is hit. If it doesn't hit head on toward a critical part of the tank, it will of course not damage the tank too seriously. As for the Javelin, how do either of those two statements refute its ability to destroy tanks? !
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 115	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:45:00 - [149] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much crediblity lost in the first sentence. a tank is cheap now beside that ISK is not a balance factor, which again shows your lack of credibility. Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. aka biased tank driver in disguise pre patch armor tanks and proper fit took 20 - 30 seconds (depending on the amount of damage mods) to kill SOLO with proto swarms. I wonder what those people crying about solo guys killing them did in those timeframe. roof forges is a map design issue. the only real issue that existet is that getting into a tank resistant enough to proto AV took long while you could get proto AV in a week of playing. it is simple, in a game with limited amount of players, as long as a tank only needs 1 person to operate, 1 person has to be able to get the ability to hold him off wihtout having to resort to the same tool. if you dont understand this then you have no credibility and dont bother to post, because you just make yourself look stupid and highlight how bad you are. in fact, all the tank QQ was already highlighting how bad some players just are. most tank driver behave like average CoD kids, they want be able to run into a squad alone, kill everyone and move out alive and if it does not happen, they cry on the forum. the latest games speak a clear language, you cant even call a LAV cause the teams limit is filled out with only tanks. it would be naiv to believe that this will stay like it is now, CCP will sooner or later realize the mistake and swing the nerf hammer again. enjoy while it lasts, I will just watch the show and again collect the tears of all bad tank drivers whining all over the forum. please, amuse me and try to answer with some real arguments, because I already know you cant, you are too biased and stuck into your little tunnelvision dreamworld. I looked at your name and you lost credibility jack. your in dust university.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 831	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:18:00 - [150] - Quote Here's how balanced tank v AV is. I ran a match earlier today where my squad and I killed 7 tanks (2 somas, 3 Sicas, 1 Gunloggi and 1 Madrugar) and 1 LAV with swarms, proxy mines, RE's and AV grenades. All of the tankers were no-name scrubs I had never heard of who just had basic skills into tanks and were terrible at running them. I went 13/6, loosing all but two of my fits to infantry. My AV fit costs 58,600ish per suit. That adds up to about 351,600 ISK for chasing down skilless scrubs in tanks because I can't AV and shoot enemies behind me at the same time. You COULD try to clear out the infanrty first, but the tank will have moved on or killed you from behind by then. I earned about 176,000 ISK for running AV all match and getting trounced by infantry while trying to focus on killing off the constant vehicle spam. So, some scrubs can fit basic tanks worth around 100,000-200,000 ISK and go 18/2 or 28/1 without hardly spending any SP into tanks (actual scores of two of the tankers from the match, there were 5 different ones on the field at all times) and probably earn close to twice what I do while I'm specced to Prof. 5 in swarms and running 3 damage mods on a Wyrikomi, and earn a "consolation prize" sized reward of around half what they probably made while I wasted twice what they did in a match hunting them down. So, where's your risk v reward buddy? I'm looking for it, but I sure as hell don't see it. Quit scrubba dubbin and get good, it doesn't take OP tanks to run tanks well. Ask Tech Mech or Lurchasaurus or Skihides or any of the other actually GOOD tankers in the game. They pulled off awesome matches without BS tank speeds and stacked hardners that negate almost all damage. The current damage out put for the current proto swarms needs to be the new basic swarm damage, and swarm missiles need a huge speed buff. AV grenade damage of Lai Dai's needs to be the basic AV grenade damage, and forge guns.... well... they are actually in a good place right now since they have both range, damage AND anti-infantry capabilities. Though since you RUN forge's, I guess I can't expect you to understand the plight of the rest of the AV players. It's dangerous to travel the forums alone, take this! (.:'Honeyed'Lamb**':.) FIX TTK & MINSUITS (GîÉ_GîÉ )



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