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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:21:00 - [1] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much crediblity lost in the first sentence. a tank is cheap now beside that ISK is not a balance factor, which again shows your lack of credibility. Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. aka biased tank driver in disguise pre patch armor tanks and proper fit took 20 - 30 seconds (depending on the amount of damage mods) to kill SOLO with proto swarms. I wonder what those people crying about solo guys killing them did in those timeframe. roof forges is a map design issue. the only real issue that existet is that getting into a tank resistant enough to proto AV took long while you could get proto AV in a week of playing. it is simple, in a game with limited amount of players, as long as a tank only needs 1 person to operate, 1 person has to be able to get the ability to hold him off wihtout having to resort to the same tool. if you dont understand this then you have no credibility and dont bother to post, because you just make yourself look stupid and highlight how bad you are. in fact, all the tank QQ was already highlighting how bad some players just are. most tank driver behave like average CoD kids, they want be able to run into a squad alone, kill everyone and move out alive and if it does not happen, they cry on the forum. the latest games speak a clear language, you cant even call a LAV cause the teams limit is filled out with only tanks. it would be naiv to believe that this will stay like it is now, CCP will sooner or later realize the mistake and swing the nerf hammer again. enjoy while it lasts, I will just watch the show and again collect the tears of all bad tank drivers whining all over the forum. please, amuse me and try to answer with some real arguments, because I already know you cant, you are too biased and stuck into your little tunnelvision dreamworld. So do you want tanks and AV to be balanced on the ability to be able to take them down solo? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:23:00 - [2] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: lol you serious? my suit cost more than your tank. lolwut Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:25:00 - [3] - Quote 8213 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Cost so much? My tank cost less than my dropsuit and is 10x as effective... Tanks are broken. You're pre 1.7 arguments are void. You go your buff and look what happened. We told you so, but you thought for some delusional reason that you were meant to be invincible and suffer no risk of losing ISK. Infantry forced the change on CCP. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:26:00 - [4] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Your tank hardly costs more then my Main weapon and less then my Main weapon & sidearm combined.....that tank hardly costs more then my 220k suit fit ....that gets 2 shotted... Don't you have people to PRO stomp? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:29:00 - [5] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Tanks prices are way cheaper..... Still meant to wreck you. AV is meant to wreck tanks, your point is null and void. Why should AV solo a force multiplier? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:30:00 - [6] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: I have a Sica with a blaster, shield booster, and shield hardener. So long as I can make it to a safe spot with my modules still active, it is invincible to infantry. The fit costs less than many of my suits. Don't tell me this is balanced. Complains that MLT is cheaper than PRO. Doesn't get it. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:33:00 - [7] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: No, its meant to repel them. Tanks are supposed to be able to withstand the punishment to a degree. Hence the term tank. If they could not perform their job, nobody would invest in the damn things. And no, they are not balanced. They are better. Thats entirely the point. If you want them to be more expensive, im sure that can be arranged. But they are performing at exactly the level they should. +ähm no AV is not meant to let the tank go and come back fully repaired its meant to be able to destroy tanks. Whats the point if only repell the tank for 20sec from the battlefield? The big question is how easy it shoud be. Prior 1.7 the sistance of tanks where pretty mixed there were tanks that went down after two or thrre volleys of Proto Swarms and there were tanks that could eat enough of them to be effective unless they faced organised AV. CCP should remove proto AV from the field and should restart balncing std AV vs std AV and than introduce adv vehicles alongside adv AV etc. If you want AV to only damage tanks and force them out of battle there needs to change much more. Cool down must increase drastically and no tanker should be able to recall his vehicle during cooldown or call in another one while he hides his first tank deep in the redline... From a game perspective repelling tanks would be enough but is A) not rewarding for the AV guy and B) Tanks can currently come back way too fast. If those things get sortet I ma fine with repelling them. Did you enjoy getting killed by Taka with missiles? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:35:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Cost so much? They're cheaper than an advanced suit Even well fit ones are only a couple of proto suits at best Of course you want PRO turret prices back at 1mil ISK. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:38:00 - [9] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: See, this guy isn't a tanker but he gets it. Is it really that hard? I would be happy with prices being jacked back up; it'd help with the spam. As it is, you shouldn't be losing too many tanks anyway. And you know what the funniest thing would be? If CCP leaves HAVs as they are. Wouldn't that shit some people off... He is a tanker, he squads with Spkr4thedead all the time. Also I like the bit where he says tanks are fun now, implying he drives tanks enough to have hated it before. You know what we want as an AVer, we at the very very least want tanks to **** off when we use AV, not charge in closer because they know they are invincible. I think I've played 2 PCs with Himiko and that's about it. Dunno what you're talking about. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:40:00 - [10] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Today, just for lols, I made a MLT Soma with a MLT Hardener, MLT Active Scanner, and MLT Fuel Injector (they are no longer bugged). I went 11/1 (My 1 death was due to an RDV dropping a Tank on me after my initial spawn) At one point, I pulled up to an objective (B on the new map with the Obelisk) and proceeded to wreak havoc. I was hit with 3 AV Nades, 2 FG Shots, and a Swarm Volley. This put me at half Armor. I Activated my Hardener and Fuel Injector and fled the scene, circled around by Delta, then to Alpha Where I was hit with a OB. I hit Hardener and Fuel Injector again and got out with more than 3/4 Armor. The next match I called in my Soma, and began battling another HAV. I was hit with 3 Railgun Shots before I hit my Hardeners and Fuel Injectors, and Proceeded to flee, but continued to take Railgun fire from another HAV and an Rail Installation. Six Rail Blasts finally took my Soma down. This was the first time I ever drove an HAV and I have no SP invested in Vehicles. HAVs are ridiculous now. I'll believe it when I see it. I don't believe infantry can get in a tank and wreck everything right off the bat. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:40:00 - [11] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. While Dust still has Description of FPS in it. Not likely. it's not played as a RTS nor MMO. AV stuff is merely to annoy? You don't even believe that. LOL A lot of tanks QQ lately. wonder why? could it be something might come for them in the horizon? To infantry, FPS means no vehicles ever. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:43:00 - [12] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Today, just for lols, I made a MLT Soma with a MLT Hardener, MLT Active Scanner, and MLT Fuel Injector (they are no longer bugged). I went 11/1 (My 1 death was due to an RDV dropping a Tank on me after my initial spawn) At one point, I pulled up to an objective (B on the new map with the Obelisk) and proceeded to wreak havoc. I was hit with 3 AV Nades, 2 FG Shots, and a Swarm Volley. This put me at half Armor. I Activated my Hardener and Fuel Injector and fled the scene, circled around by Delta, then to Alpha Where I was hit with a OB. I hit Hardener and Fuel Injector again and got out with more than 3/4 Armor. The next match I called in my Soma, and began battling another HAV. I was hit with 3 Railgun Shots before I hit my Hardeners and Fuel Injectors, and Proceeded to flee, but continued to take Railgun fire from another HAV and an Rail Installation. Six Rail Blasts finally took my Soma down. This was the first time I ever drove an HAV and I have no SP invested in Vehicles. HAVs are ridiculous now. Complete fable. Cool story bro. You know people can do math right? Yea because I would go through the trouble of making up such an elaborate story. People have done worse. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:45:00 - [13] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: I'll just leave this here for you TANKER GODS you. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate tankers that went into tanking cause of drivers is what they wanted to be. But my stance has always been the same. NERDS THAT NEVER BOTHERED WITH ANY FPS GAME COMING IN AND PAWNING MY BROTHERS. and I saw this coming. Not all tankers share all you old tankers code of conduct. The pendulum swung in your favor. It's your turn. But for how long it depends on you. nothing brings on a faster nerf to tanking then a tanker. I've been playing shooters online for 10 years. Started dealing with vehicles in 2005 with SOCOM III. What now? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:48:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vehicles are meant to wreck you. However, that does not mean that they are meant to have theoretical invulnerability to AV weapons. Something that with less than 200k SP can easily withstand and escape all forms of AV with ease? Seems balanced.. And I'm not even talking about the MLT NOS bug, as all vehicles can easily evade AV with not a care or consequence in the world without NOS. The entitlement here is hilarious. Yet it's reasonable to want to solo vehicles with STD AV? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:49:00 - [15] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: LOL the "aura" on most vehicles won't render past 15m. And how can you attack something when It easily flees with no effort or care whatsoever? And no don't feed me the "It's only because of the MLT NOS glitch" bs. A vehicle with even basic or no NOS modules can still easily evade the area. The whole "waves of opportunity" argument is thrown out of the window when the vehicle can easily swim to safety after the wave has hit. NOS/Afterburners need to be removed. Well, when swarm users were not rendering, AV scrubs like yourself passed the HTFU hat around. So don't give me that **** about not being able to see the hardener activation when I can see it from a long way off while carrying an AR. But even if you couldn't see it, I would tell you to wait until they fix it. Shouldn't take long. Until then, you can suck it up like you told so many tankers to. So glad to see you crying. Makes up for all those stupid posts of yours. Oh I'm sure new and intermediate players are doing sucking it up. By deleting Dust, and playing the many MMOs for free on the PS4 and PC that are more balanced than this game. Because it's balanced that you go into pub matches with a squad of 6 using all PRO gear against 10 people that don't know to get in squads. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:50:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: lol you serious? my suit cost more than your tank. how convenient you use probs your most expensive suit and compare it to your cheapest tank fit....convenient How convenient the cheapest tank is 50x better than his most expensive fit.... How do you think the ***** were able to stomp Africa? Tanks Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:51:00 - [17] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Well you have corps like Nyan San (is that how it's spelled?) who pretty much dominate the field with their tanks, because those guys stick to each other like white on rice. Tag team tank buddies seem like broken hax, but working together is getting them insane results. They were like that before though. I'm slowly compiling a list of players that I don't bother fielding a tank against, when they're on the field. For Ambush games, one thing I've definitely noticed is that experienced AV players have become awesome at bunkering down where tanks can't reach them, and burning them up. Cocky tankers just sit there with hardeners up, spamming blaster shots over and over again, while the guy who just coated them with RE's is patiently waiting for them to stop glowing. Why are you in ambush? Objectives too difficult for you? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:52:00 - [18] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much crediblity lost in the first sentence. a tank is cheap now beside that ISK is not a balance factor, which again shows your lack of credibility. Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. aka biased tank driver in disguise pre patch armor tanks and proper fit took 20 - 30 seconds (depending on the amount of damage mods) to kill SOLO with proto swarms. I wonder what those people crying about solo guys killing them did in those timeframe. roof forges is a map design issue. the only real issue that existet is that getting into a tank resistant enough to proto AV took long while you could get proto AV in a week of playing. it is simple, in a game with limited amount of players, as long as a tank only needs 1 person to operate, 1 person has to be able to get the ability to hold him off wihtout having to resort to the same tool. if you dont understand this then you have no credibility and dont bother to post, because you just make yourself look stupid and highlight how bad you are. in fact, all the tank QQ was already highlighting how bad some players just are. most tank driver behave like average CoD kids, they want be able to run into a squad alone, kill everyone and move out alive and if it does not happen, they cry on the forum. the latest games speak a clear language, you cant even call a LAV cause the teams limit is filled out with only tanks. it would be naiv to believe that this will stay like it is now, CCP will sooner or later realize the mistake and swing the nerf hammer again. enjoy while it lasts, I will just watch the show and again collect the tears of all bad tank drivers whining all over the forum. please, amuse me and try to answer with some real arguments, because I already know you cant, you are too biased and stuck into your little tunnelvision dreamworld. Wise words Mr.Mcready. But then again.Vehicle drivers need their crutch.... Never knew a play style was a crutch.................. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:53:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Attorney General wrote: I personally invested into tanks because my corp needed another tanker for PC. I took an ALT(because I wasn't pissing away my main) and specced him into tanks when uprising hit. I stuck it out because I wasn't bad at it, and people still needed a tanker. But of course, people could never spec into something because that is the role they like doing, even if it is difficult? Hell, a big part of the appeal of tanking was the difficulty, because not everyone could do it. LOLWhat? What makes a tank so difficult? And no, everyone didn't spec into tanks because not everyone wants to sit inside an easy mode steel box all day. This from someone that supposedly spec'd into both, and still had to use swarms to destroy tanks. Oh the irony. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1480	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:00:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Never forget, that swarms were never OP to Atiim, and the other scrubs. It did exactly what they wanted, they never cared about anyone elses enjoyment out of the game, and it made them feel powerful with very little effort. Now that they are not having as much fun, everything needs to be reoriented towards them again. Swarms weren't OP in my eyes because unlike scrubby $#!t fits, I could actually survive them. Though I won't deny that Gunnlogies needed a buff. They were the ones who were truly UP. Along with lolrendering. And again, you say this as if piloting anything other than a DS requires more skill than an AR. You can be OP all you want. Nobody is going to use anything but another tank now anyway. The Attorney General wrote: Must have been an only child with parents who spoiled him. Please Don't Lol you couldn't survive a small MLT missile turret from a dropship. What makes you think you could survive PRO AV with little SP invested into tanks? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.