Do you have any idea whatsoever how long 20 seconds is in a competitive match? 20 seconds is an eternity of free damage you are putting on the enemy MCC.

Use AV weaponry on actual tanks in real life and you will come to understand how entirely worthless they actually are. They are an annoyance meant to deter state-of-the-art tanks, not kill them. Choppers and LAV's are about the only things that truly get destroyed by AV.

Tanks are killed by tanks. The only reason games work differently is because a lot of people act like children when they arent capable of dealing with every single potential threat at the same time. It's the BS entitlement complex that comes with competitive gaming. Honestly, the REAL tank counter right now are assault dropships. Tanks cant do much of anything about those. But rather than do whats obvious, people would rather complain because its outside of their comfort zone.

The US military does not like our armor to get chinked. Scratches the paint job and annoys us.

If the RPG threat was truly high to tanks, there would be some evidence of it in actual combat huh?

The javelin works on the tanks of other nations because... uh.... who have we been fighting for the last thirty years? Not exactly the space-age enemy we were preparing for.

Are there people out there who think the tanks are not OP? lol how is it possible to be so blind? Or is it ignorance that prevents some of you to see the obvious?

Ahem. Just destroyed two tanks yesterday using nothing but sticky RE's. Snuck up behind while it was busy shooting my team mates. Big explosions and kill points while running away giggling. Number two? Dropped atop of a tank and stuck RE's once again, again explosions and kill points.

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I run scout. Fun times were had. Just thought I'd share.

Why should AV solo a force multiplier?

o7 Thank you sir. It wasn't easy let me tall ya'

I don't run tanks at all, but I mean if myself, in a scout suit can take down a tank MGS Solid Snake style - Hmmm, what does that say to the complainers about tanks being OP?

when vehicles can capture objectives, go in doors, and give themselfs ammo without going to a depot or calling a new one in then they won't require teamwork, till then they do require teamwork.

Here's how balanced tank v AV is. I ran a match earlier today where my squad and I killed 7 tanks (2 somas, 3 Sicas, 1 Gunloggi and 1 Madrugar) and 1 LAV with swarms, proxy mines, RE's and AV grenades. All of the tankers were no-name scrubs I had never heard of who just had basic skills into tanks and were terrible at running them. I went 13/6, loosing all but two of my fits to infantry. My AV fit costs 58,600ish per suit. That adds up to about 351,600 ISK for chasing down skilless scrubs in tanks because I can't AV and shoot enemies behind me at the same time. You COULD try to clear out the infanrty first, but the tank will have moved on or killed you from behind by then. I earned about 176,000 ISK for running AV all match and getting trounced by infantry while trying to focus on killing off the constant vehicle spam.

So, some scrubs can fit basic tanks worth around 100,000-200,000 ISK and go 18/2 or 28/1 without hardly spending any SP into tanks (actual scores of two of the tankers from the match, there were 5 different ones on the field at all times) and probably earn close to twice what I do while I'm specced to Prof. 5 in swarms and running 3 damage mods on a Wyrikomi, and earn a "consolation prize" sized reward of around half what they probably made while I wasted twice what they did in a match hunting them down.

So, where's your risk v reward buddy? I'm looking for it, but I sure as hell don't see it. Quit scrubba dubbin and get good, it doesn't take OP tanks to run tanks well. Ask Tech Mech or Lurchasaurus or Skihides or any of the other actually GOOD tankers in the game. They pulled off awesome matches without BS tank speeds and stacked hardners that negate almost all damage.

The current damage out put for the current proto swarms needs to be the new basic swarm damage, and swarm missiles need a huge speed buff. AV grenade damage of Lai Dai's needs to be the basic AV grenade damage, and forge guns.... well... they are actually in a good place right now since they have both range, damage AND anti-infantry capabilities. Though since you RUN forge's, I guess I can't expect you to understand the plight of the rest of the AV players.

Edit: No offense to reasonable forge gunners