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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2493	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:07:00 - [1] - Quote Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 840	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:30:00 - [2] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much crediblity lost in the first sentence. a tank is cheap now beside that ISK is not a balance factor, which again shows your lack of credibility. Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. aka biased tank driver in disguise pre patch armor tanks and proper fit took 20 - 30 seconds (depending on the amount of damage mods) to kill SOLO with proto swarms. I wonder what those people crying about solo guys killing them did in those timeframe. roof forges is a map design issue. the only real issue that existet is that getting into a tank resistant enough to proto AV took long while you could get proto AV in a week of playing. it is simple, in a game with limited amount of players, as long as a tank only needs 1 person to operate, 1 person has to be able to get the ability to hold him off wihtout having to resort to the same tool. if you dont understand this then you have no credibility and dont bother to post, because you just make yourself look stupid and highlight how bad you are. in fact, all the tank QQ was already highlighting how bad some players just are. most tank driver behave like average CoD kids, they want be able to run into a squad alone, kill everyone and move out alive and if it does not happen, they cry on the forum. the latest games speak a clear language, you cant even call a LAV cause the teams limit is filled out with only tanks. it would be naiv to believe that this will stay like it is now, CCP will sooner or later realize the mistake and swing the nerf hammer again. enjoy while it lasts, I will just watch the show and again collect the tears of all bad tank drivers whining all over the forum. please, amuse me and try to answer with some real arguments, because I already know you cant, you are too biased and stuck into your little tunnelvision dreamworld.
Lorhak Gannarsein 679	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:34:00 - [3] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Agreed. I think tanks might need a minor speed nerf, but otherwise... ADAPT OR I'LL KILL YOU WITH MY RAILGUN. Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown. (Am too sleepy to quote properly)
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1409	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:36:00 - [4] - Quote no std fully specked havs are not cheep they are cheeper than pre 1.7 my sturdiest fit costs around 500k apposed to the 1 mill of pre 1.7 yes mly havs are cheep but when not fitted with buggy nitros are actually quite easy to kill. Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 769	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:37:00 - [5] - Quote lol you serious? my suit cost more than your tank. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 840	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:38:00 - [6] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: no std fully specked havs are not cheep they are cheeper than pre 1.7 my sturdiest fit costs around 500k apposed to the 1 mill of pre 1.7 yes mly havs are cheep but when not fitted with buggy nitros are actually quite easy to kill. good joke, they are already plenty fast with only 30% boost.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1409	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:44:00 - [7] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: pegasis prime wrote: no std fully specked havs are not cheep they are cheeper than pre 1.7 my sturdiest fit costs around 500k apposed to the 1 mill of pre 1.7 yes mly havs are cheep but when not fitted with buggy nitros are actually quite easy to kill. good joke, they are already plenty fast with only 30% boost, they just dont run faster than LAVS anymore with a nonbuggy nitro well tbh any hav I have came across that isn't using the buggy nitro has been ab easy kill for my rail cannon just honestly wait and see how it pans out after they fix the speed bug after all its the mac 3 tanks that are generating most the QQ, nice dodge on my comment about cost btw. and the 30% speed boost is a complex mod basicly its a proto speed mod , moved in par with the bonuses dropsuits get on their speed mods i.e. kincats . also havs now have nearly no passive bonuses like resistance or shield regen bonuses but we trade that of for being monsterous for 30 seconds at a time with 42 second sit out periods. Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1409	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:46:00 - [8] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: lol you serious? my suit cost more than your tank. dude 500k on a std hull fitted with complex(proto) mods and turrets. just wait till you see adv havs they will be double or triple the price of our std havs. Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2059	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:46:00 - [9] - Quote They cost less than my dropsuit...
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 86	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:48:00 - [10] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: pegasis prime wrote: no std fully specked havs are not cheep they are cheeper than pre 1.7 my sturdiest fit costs around 500k apposed to the 1 mill of pre 1.7 yes mly havs are cheep but when not fitted with buggy nitros are actually quite easy to kill. good joke, they are already plenty fast with only 30% boost, they just dont run faster than LAVS anymore with a nonbuggy nitro 500k is pretty cheap for a tank, cost of full proto suit is looking at you. yeah but now you can get proto gear gear from the Loyalty store and tanks from the loyalty store are no where near as good as maddys or gunnlogis.

8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1033	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:49:00 - [11] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Cost so much? My tank cost less than my dropsuit and is 10x as effective... Tanks are broken. You're pre 1.7 arguments are void. You go your buff and look what happened. We told you so, but you thought for some delusional reason that you were meant to be invincible and suffer no risk of losing ISK.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1409	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:51:00 - [12] - Quote 8213 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Cost so much? My tank cost less than my dropsuit and is 10x as effective... Tanks are broken. You're pre 1.7 arguments are void. You go your buff and look what happened. We told you so, but you thought for some delusional reason that you were meant to be invincible and suffer no risk of losing ISK. is this the mlt speed soma fotw tank that everyone is running or a full specked hav with complex mods and proto turret ? Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1308	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:53:00 - [13] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Your tank hardly costs more then my Main weapon and less then my Main weapon & sidearm combined.....that tank hardly costs more then my 220k suit fit ....that gets 2 shotted... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Asirius Medaius 752	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:13:00 - [14] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: also havs now have nearly no passive bonuses like resistance or shield regen bonuses but we trade that of for being monsterous for 30 seconds at a time with 42 second sit out periods. This is one reason in particular that I'm starting to lose interest in this game -- it's becoming less and less like EVE Online. They removed passive resistances and pretty much force everyone to either use active hardeners or a turbo to GTFO. If they had lowered the resistances on passives, sure, but they took them out completely instead. This only leaves us with one option for resists, and that deviates from the "Sandbox" type of gameplay that EVE Online brought me to love. With only one option, I feel rather bored with this game. Not to mention that they took out Enforcers... Signature coming soonGäó. [Level 9 Forum Warrior]
Lorhak Gannarsein 681	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:22:00 - [15] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: 8213 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Cost so much? My tank cost less than my dropsuit and is 10x as effective... Tanks are broken. You're pre 1.7 arguments are void. You go your buff and look what happened. We told you so, but you thought for some delusional reason that you were meant to be invincible and suffer no risk of losing ISK. is this the mlt speed soma fotw tank that everyone is running or a full specked hav with complex mods and proto turret ? Apparently all these idiots have decided that the dropkicks in MLT HAVs w/ MLT nitro are actually tankers. They do not count. Go QQ somewhere else, infantry, at least until the bug is fixed. Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown. (Am too sleepy to quote properly)
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1715	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:33:00 - [16] - Quote I find tanks ridiculously easy to use now and the fun is gone in them, I'll be using mine when they are fully re worked. I got taken out once by three guys I think, instapopped while running away as my hardender went off so I think they were actually skilled av guys because I blew up straight away the moment my hardener went off just getting into cover and another time I almost got destroyed with hardener on by a sica rail and swarm guy but I just managed to get away. The hundred or so other times were shining examples of scrubber solo av guys just hanging about with swarms. My fit at the mo is large adv missile turret,enh 129mm plate, enh hardener, enh repair and of course madrugar, I can't bring myself to use the nitrous, sorry but its the most ridiculous thing iv seen in any game lol. The death was instant. The sica and swarm guys that nearly got me took about 8 seconds and I escaped with about 200 ish hp, I blew up the sica. In fact it was a CPM in the sica, I blew them up about 6 times, yes Terranknight87 is me that person Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2495	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:34:00 - [17] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: They cost less than my dropsuit... Then your tank sucks.
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 189	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:43:00 - [18] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Tanks prices are way cheaper..... Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns please :D
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1348	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:44:00 - [19] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Repeat this when we get the PVE and we have ground to air/space installations one shotting EVE ships.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2496	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:45:00 - [20] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Tanks prices are way cheaper..... Still meant to wreck you.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2496	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:48:00 - [21] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Repeat this when we get the PVE and we have ground to air/space installations one shotting EVE ships. Considering I'm in the EVE ship, I don't think this bothers me as much as you think it does.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 849	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:48:00 - [22] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled. Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play. New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad. Sincerely, A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it. Tanks prices are way cheaper..... Still meant to wreck you. AV is meant to wreck tanks, your point is null and void.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2585	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:51:00 - [23] - Quote I have a Sica with a blaster, shield booster, and shield hardener. So long as I can make it to a safe spot with my modules still active, it is invincible to infantry. The fit costs less than many of my suits. Don't tell me this is balanced. No.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2496	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:52:00 - [24] - Quote No, its meant to repel them. Tanks are supposed to be able to withstand the punishment to a degree. Hence the term tank. If they could not perform their job, nobody would invest in the damn things. And no, they are not balanced. They are better. Thats entirely the point. If you want them to be more expensive, im sure that can be arranged. But they are performing at exactly the level they should.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2585	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:54:00 - [25] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: No, its meant to repel them. Tanks are supposed to be able to withstand the punishment to a degree. Hence the term tank. If they could not perform their job, nobody would invest in the damn things. And no, they are not balanced. They are better. Thats entirely the point. I guess they were fine before then. No.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 849	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:57:00 - [26] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: No, its meant to repel them. Tanks are supposed to be able to withstand the punishment to a degree. Hence the term tank. If they could not perform their job, nobody would invest in the damn things. And no, they are not balanced. They are better. Thats entirely the point. If you want them to be more expensive, im sure that can be arranged. But they are performing at exactly the level they should. if that is the case, there were fine before then. beside that it does not matter what your biased opinion is how tanks should be, CCP stated what they wanted for tanks, they just overdid it. they will as always realise their mistake and correct it. I will be there to collect tank driver tears again
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2496	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:58:00 - [27] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: No, its meant to repel them. Tanks are supposed to be able to withstand the punishment to a degree. Hence the term tank. If they could not perform their job, nobody would invest in the damn things. And no, they are not balanced. They are better. Thats entirely the point. I guess they were fine before then. No, they were too slow and too difficult to keep alive. They needed sustained defensive capability and now they have that. They are also fun as hell to use now.
Lorhak Gannarsein 681	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:09:00 - [28] - Quote See, this guy isn't a tanker but he gets it. Is it really that hard? I would be happy with prices being jacked back up; it'd help with the spam. As it is, you shouldn't be losing too many tanks anyway. And you know what the funniest thing would be? If CCP leaves HAVs as they are. Wouldn't that shit some people off... Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown. (Am too sleepy to quote properly)
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 323	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:15:00 - [29] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: No, its meant to repel them. Tanks are supposed to be able to withstand the punishment to a degree. Hence the term tank. If they could not perform their job, nobody would invest in the damn things. And no, they are not balanced. They are better. Thats entirely the point. If you want them to be more expensive, im sure that can be arranged. But they are performing at exactly the level they should. +ähm no AV is not meant to let the tank go and come back fully repaired its meant to be able to destroy tanks. Whats the point if only repell the tank for 20sec from the battlefield? The big question is how easy it shoud be. Prior 1.7 the sistance of tanks where pretty mixed there were tanks that went down after two or thrre volleys of Proto Swarms and there were tanks that could eat enough of them to be effective unless they faced organised AV. CCP should remove proto AV from the field and should restart balncing std AV vs std AV and than introduce adv vehicles alongside adv AV etc. If you want AV to only damage tanks and force them out of battle there needs to change much more. Cool down must increase drastically and no tanker should be able to recall his vehicle during cooldown or call in another one while he hides his first tank deep in the redline... From a game perspective repelling tanks would be enough but is A) not rewarding for the AV guy and B) Tanks can currently come back way too fast. If those things get sortet I ma fine with repelling them.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2498	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:17:00 - [30] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: No, its meant to repel them. Tanks are supposed to be able to withstand the punishment to a degree. Hence the term tank. If they could not perform their job, nobody would invest in the damn things. And no, they are not balanced. They are better. Thats entirely the point. If you want them to be more expensive, im sure that can be arranged. But they are performing at exactly the level they should. +ähm no AV is not meant to let the tank go and come back fully repaired its meant to be able to destroy tanks. Whats the point if only repell the tank for 20sec from the battlefield? Do you have any idea whatsoever how long 20 seconds is in a competitive match? 20 seconds is an eternity of free damage you are putting on the enemy MCC. Use AV weaponry on actual tanks in real life and you will come to understand how entirely worthless they actually are. They are an annoyance meant to deter state-of-the-art tanks, not kill them. Choppers and LAV's are about the only things that truly get destroyed by AV. Tanks are killed by tanks. The only reason games work differently is because a lot of people act like children when they arent capable of dealing with every single potential threat at the same time. Honestly, the REAL tank counter right now are assault dropships. Tanks cant do much of anything about those.



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