This is one reason in particular that I'm starting to lose interest in this game -- it's becoming less and less like EVE Online. They removed passive resistances and pretty much force everyone to either use active hardeners or a turbo to GTFO.

If they had lowered the resistances on passives, sure, but they took them out completely instead. This only leaves us with one option for resists, and that deviates from the "Sandbox" type of gameplay that EVE Online brought me to love. With only one option, I feel rather bored with this game.

Not to mention that they took out Enforcers...

Use AV weaponry on actual tanks in real life and you will come to understand how entirely worthless they actually are.

New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad.

See, this guy isn't a tanker but he gets it.

Is it really that hard?

I would be happy with prices being jacked back up; it'd help with the spam. As it is, you shouldn't be losing too many tanks anyway.



And you know what the funniest thing would be? If CCP leaves HAVs as they are.

Wouldn't that shit some people off...

aka biased tank driver in disguise

They cost less than my dropsuit...

Otherwise they wouldn't cost so much. No, you are not entitled to be able to fight back 1v1. That would make the entire risk vs reward of using a tank pointless. The problem isn't the tank being OP. The problem is you being overly entitled.

Is the only true counter to a tank another tank? Yes. It is. And thats exactly how it should be. At least until other big vehicles come into play.

New Eden is a place dominated by large, powerful vehicles. It always has been. Anti-vehicle stuff is merely there to annoy them and force them to retreat. Don't like it? Too bad. Tooooo bad.


Sincerely,

A FORGE GUNNER who actually appreciates fun gameplay when he notices it.

The M60A1 tanks of the U.S. Marines saw action during Operation Desert Storm in 1991, opposing Iraqi armor which included the T-54/T-59, T-55, T-62, Type 69, and T-72. The M60A1s were fitted with add-on explosive reactive armor (ERA) packages and supported the drive into Kuwait City where they were involved in a two day tank battle at the Kuwait airport with the loss of only one vehicle and no crew. They saw service with the United States Marine Corps, and the Saudi Arabian Army.

When the Abrams entered service in the 1980s, they operated alongside M60A3 within the United States military, and with other NATO tanks in numerous Cold War exercises. These exercises usually took place in Western Europe, especially West Germany, but also in some other countries like South Korea. During such training exercises, Abrams' crews honed their skills for use against Soviet soldiers, equipment and vehicles. However, by 1991 the USSR had collapsed and the Abrams had not been in any combat.

The Abrams remained untested in combat until the Gulf War in 1991. A total of 1,848 M1A1s were deployed to Saudi Arabia. The M1A1 was superior to Iraq's Soviet-era T-55 and T-62 tanks, as well as Iraqi assembled Russian T-72s, and locally produced copies (Asad Babil tank). The T-72s like most Soviet export designs lacked night vision systems and then-modern rangefinders, though they did have some night fighting tanks with older active infrared systems or floodlightsGÇöjust not the latest starlight scopes and passive infrared scopes as on the Abrams. Only 23 M1A1s were taken out of service in the Gulf[52] and one of these losses resulted in crew deaths from Iraqi fire. Some others took minor combat damage, with little effect on their operational readiness. Very few Abrams tanks were hit by enemy fire, and there was only one fatality, along with a handful of wounded as a result.

Today, just for lols, I made a MLT Soma with a MLT Hardener, MLT Active Scanner, and MLT Fuel Injector (they are no longer bugged).

I went 11/1 (My 1 death was due to an RDV dropping a Tank on me after my initial spawn)

At one point, I pulled up to an objective (B on the new map with the Obelisk) and proceeded to wreak havoc. I was hit with 3 AV Nades, 2 FG Shots, and a Swarm Volley. This put me at half Armor. I Activated my Hardener and Fuel Injector and fled the scene, circled around by Delta, then to Alpha Where I was hit with a OB. I hit Hardener and Fuel Injector again and got out with more than 3/4 Armor.

The next match I called in my Soma, and began battling another HAV. I was hit with 3 Railgun Shots before I hit my Hardeners and Fuel Injectors, and Proceeded to flee, but continued to take Railgun fire from another HAV and an Rail Installation. Six Rail Blasts finally took my Soma down.

This was the first time I ever drove an HAV and I have no SP invested in Vehicles.

HAVs are ridiculous now.

the real problem is this so called "wave of opportunity" time
it is simply not visible or distinctive enough when i can attack the tank and actually do some dmg....

Complete fable.

Cool story bro.

You know people can do math right?

Yea because I would go through the trouble of making up such an elaborate story.

Clearly you would, because the math doesn't support the story you invented to try to prove your point.

Thanks for showing how far you are willing to go for your argument.

Clearly you would, because the math doesn't support the story you invented to try to prove your point. Thanks for showing how far you are willing to go for your argument.

So now we're linking wikipedia to make an argument? You're lucky I'm not your professor. You would have been ejected from almost any class at a respectable college for that.

But since we're playing the wikipedia game...






Yea, so much for the effectiveness of the mighty RPG. Strange that so few tanks took any real damage, considering how favored the RPG is...

The US Army ranks the RPG-29 threat to armor so high that they refused to allow the newly formed Iraqi army to buy it, fearing it would fall into insurgent hands.

You can do all the math you want to, but the fact is, this game isn't played with pencil and paper so your math really doesn't mean jack ****.

Do the math: Full Proto Heavy with HMG 2x Comp Damage Mods vs Advanced Gallente Assault with a Gek engaging at 30m. Who wins here on your paper game? I can guarantee we all know which on would come out on top in actual game play.

I ******* hate militia vehicles, they should have never existed in the first place

The question you posed regarding a logi vs a heavy at 30m is hilariously bad, because I don't think you understand the argument you are trying to make.

On paper, the logi slays the fatty.

In game the logi slays the fatty.

Now, with that out of the way, let us examine your story, and look at how it is clearly not possible that what you related happened. Now, you could have gone the reasonable route and said that you blew it out of proportion, but no, you stuck by your story. So now we will rip it apart, and then you can try and tell me how that wasn't what you meant.

So, you pulled up to Objective Bravo, and were hit with three AV nades, 2 FG shots and a swarm volley, this put you at half armor.

Assuming everything is standard, with no damage mods, or prof:

AV nades: 750 DMG each, plus the 20% bonus to armor. 2700 HP lost

2 Forge shots 1200 damage each, +10 to armor = 2640

1 swarm volley 880, plus 20+ to armor = 1056

And then you turned your armor hardener on? Unless you were running two complex armor repairers, there is no way you could tank anywhere near that damage, but you said you had no vehicle SP.

The second part of your story is harder to disprove, because you could have just been stupid and not been able to count how many times you got hit, but it certainly was not six.

So yes, your story is false, and you should be ashamed for trying to tell it. Grow up and debate like a man instead of lying like a school child.

Vehicles are meant to wreck you.

However, that does not mean that they are meant to have theoretical invulnerability to AV weapons.

Something that with less than 200k SP can easily withstand and escape all forms of AV with ease? Seems balanced..

And I'm not even talking about the MLT NOS bug, as all vehicles can easily evade AV with not a care or consequence in the world without NOS.

The entitlement here is hilarious.

Shining tank = do not attack

Non shiny tank = attack.

How is this too difficult for people to understand?

Honestly though I couldn't care less if you believe me or not, it happened.