DUST Search - Tanks are meant to wreck you.

Baal Omniscient wrote:

Here's how balanced tank v AV is. I ran a match earlier today where my squad and I killed 7 tanks (2 somas, 3 Sicas, 1 Gunloggi and 1 Madrugar) and 1 LAV with swarms, proxy mines, RE's and AV grenades. All of the tankers were no-name scrubs I had never heard of who just had basic skills into tanks and were terrible at running them. I went 13/6, loosing all but two of my fits to infantry. My AV fit costs 58,600ish per suit. That adds up to about 351,600 ISK for chasing down skilless scrubs in tanks because I can't AV and shoot enemies behind me at the same time. You COULD try to clear out the infanrty first, but the tank will have moved on or killed you from behind by then. I earned about 176,000 ISK for running AV all match and getting trounced by infantry while trying to focus on killing off the constant vehicle spam.

So, some scrubs can fit basic tanks worth around 100,000-200,000 ISK and go 18/2 or 28/1 without hardly spending any SP into tanks (actual scores of two of the tankers from the match, there were 5 different ones on the field at all times) and probably earn close to twice what I do while I'm specced to Prof. 5 in swarms and running 3 damage mods on a Wyrikomi, and earn a "consolation prize" sized reward of around half what they probably made while I wasted twice what they did in a match hunting them down.

So, where's your risk v reward buddy? I'm looking for it, but I sure as hell don't see it. Quit scrubba dubbin and get good, it doesn't take OP tanks to run tanks well. Ask Tech Mech or Lurchasaurus or Skihides or any of the other actually GOOD tankers in the game. They pulled off awesome matches without BS tank speeds and stacked hardners that negate almost all damage.

The current damage out put for the current proto swarms needs to be the new basic swarm damage, and swarm missiles need a huge speed buff. AV grenade damage of Lai Dai's needs to be the basic AV grenade damage, and forge guns.... well... they are actually in a good place right now since they have both range, damage AND anti-infantry capabilities. Though since you RUN forge's, I guess I can't expect you to understand the plight of the rest of the AV players.

Edit: No offense to reasonable forge gunners

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Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 357	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:46:00 - [151] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Why are you in ambush? Objectives too difficult for you? Spkr, don't be a d-ick. I play ambush in starter infantry fits for money. I'll call my tank out in maybe one game out of ten. Fun fact: Skirmish has a higher than likely chance to be a complete waste of time because even if your tanks are playing well, no one hacks the stupid objectives. I've lost three tanks over the course of a few games because I got impatient and started capping them myself. Yeah, Skirmish is suuuuch a step up.
Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 430	Posted - 2013.12.14 11:18:00 - [152] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Here's how balanced tank v AV is. I ran a match earlier today where my squad and I killed 7 tanks (2 somas, 3 Sicas, 1 Gunloggi and 1 Madrugar) and 1 LAV with swarms, proxy mines, RE's and AV grenades. All of the tankers were no-name scrubs I had never heard of who just had basic skills into tanks and were terrible at running them. I went 13/6, loosing all but two of my fits to infantry. My AV fit costs 58,600ish per suit. That adds up to about 351,600 ISK for chasing down skilless scrubs in tanks because I can't AV and shoot enemies behind me at the same time. You COULD try to clear out the infanrty first, but the tank will have moved on or killed you from behind by then. I earned about 176,000 ISK for running AV all match and getting trounced by infantry while trying to focus on killing off the constant vehicle spam. So, some scrubs can fit basic tanks worth around 100,000-200,000 ISK and go 18/2 or 28/1 without hardly spending any SP into tanks (actual scores of two of the tankers from the match, there were 5 different ones on the field at all times) and probably earn close to twice what I do while I'm specced to Prof. 5 in swarms and running 3 damage mods on a Wyrikomi, and earn a "consolation prize" sized reward of around half what they probably made while I wasted twice what they did in a match hunting them down. So, where's your risk v reward buddy? I'm looking for it, but I sure as hell don't see it. Quit scrubba dubbin and get good, it doesn't take OP tanks to run tanks well. Ask Tech Mech or Lurchasaurus or Skihides or any of the other actually GOOD tankers in the game. They pulled off awesome matches without BS tank speeds and stacked hardners that negate almost all damage. The current damage out put for the current proto swarms needs to be the new basic swarm damage, and swarm missiles need a huge speed buff. AV grenade damage of Lai Dai's needs to be the basic AV grenade damage, and forge guns.... well... they are actually in a good place right now since they have both range, damage AND anti-infantry capabilities. Though since you RUN forge's, I guess I can't expect you to understand the plight of the rest of the AV players. Edit: No offense to reasonable forge gunners Well I think of it this way... If Forges aren't very effective now, then that implies that other lighter AV are worse off. It's really not a hard connection to make and you have my sympathies for not being able to make it without it being spelled out and thinking I was trying to downplay other AV. I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 724	Posted - 2014.01.09 16:46:00 - [153] - Quote BumP


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