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KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3022	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:18:00 - [1] - Quote There is only one true solution to this crisis we are facing. Tankers think we will stay still and they will enjoy the game in its current state for a long period before CCP even TRIES to fix something thats obviously broken. But I.... YOU wont let them. Tankers THINK we are stoopid.Unskilled.Unprepared and lack the balls to do something about it. Vehicle drivers think they will have the upper hand for a LONG PERIOD. They think we will get stomped and ignore them while we die fighting. But they forget that thanks to the ever present broken Vehicle Module we have a fighting chance. GÖªSo i invite you all to pick up a MLT LAV or BPO LAV and fill them with R/E. And just CRASH INTO THEM. CCP already annouced a fix for the ''Ban'' meassure while destroying your own equipment,so soon the Kamikaze Jihad LAVS will own the field. GÖªOr spend a minimal amount of SP (instead of leveling one of the NEW weapons all the way up to proto) into tanks. (remember, MLT Afterburner and HARDENERS) we can do more than what vehicle drivers have done for the past months...WHINE. We can and will. Let Tank514 begin for ALL of us. Let us make this problem VISIBLE to CCP,both in the forums and IN GAME. I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today. Those who refuse to be stomped, those who refuse to leave the game, and for those who Want balance in Dust514, follow.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
PARKOUR PRACTIONER REDLINE ASSAULT OPERATIONS 19	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:21:00 - [2] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: There is only one true solution to this crisis we are facing. Tankers think we will stay still and they will enjoy the game in its current state for a long period before CCP even TRIES to fix something thats obviously broken. But I.... YOU wont let them. Tankers THINK we are stoopid.Unskilled.Unprepared and lack the balls to do something about it. Vehicle drivers think they will have the upper hand for a LONG PERIOD. They think we will get stomped and ignore them while we die fighting. But they forget that thanks to the ever present broken Vehicle Module we have a fighting chance. GÖªSo i invite you all to pick up a MLT LAV or BPO LAV and fill them with R/E.* And just CRASH INTO THEM. CCP already annouced a fix for the ''Ban'' meassure while destroying your own equipment,so soon the Kamikaze Jihad LAVS will own the field. GÖªOr spend a minimal amount of SP* (instead of leveling one of the NEW weapons all the way up to proto) into tanks. (remember, MLT Afterburner and HARDENERS) we can do more than what vehicle drivers have done for the past months...WHINE. We can and will. Let Tank514 begin for ALL of us. Let us make this problem VISIBLE to CCP,both in the forums and IN GAME. I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today. Those who refuse to be stomped, those who refuse to leave the game, and for those who Want balance in Dust514, follow.... I will join you. XD 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT When in doubt, shoot the hostage.
Cosgar ParagonX 8563	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:21:00 - [3] - Quote Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1530	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:22:00 - [4] - Quote I honestly don't mind jihad lavs much, their fun to use/shoot at. You should also give it a few days so people can figure out av tactics, cause right now the same old stand on top of tower and shoot tank till it dies tactic doesnt work. Also not every tanker whined mind you, just like only a minority of avers are whining right now. We were just having interesting discussions and giving out ideas. I also wouldnt pronounce myself much on "op" tanks before the mlt nitrous is fixed (cause it is ******* broken atm" "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5009	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:22:00 - [5] - Quote Seriously, why do you hate vehicles so much? Never forget How to fix the Logi
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 124	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:23:00 - [6] - Quote I think everyone can agree that the module is probably CCPs way of trolling us making us laugh as we watch tanks just run away from everything like its fast n furious Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 404	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:24:00 - [7] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: There is only one true solution to this crisis we are facing. Tankers think we will stay still and they will enjoy the game in its current state for a long period before CCP even TRIES to fix something thats obviously broken. But I.... YOU wont let them. Tankers THINK we are stoopid.Unskilled.Unprepared and lack the balls to do something about it. Vehicle drivers think they will have the upper hand for a LONG PERIOD. They think we will get stomped and ignore them while we die fighting. But they forget that thanks to the ever present broken Vehicle Module we have a fighting chance. GÖªSo i invite you all to pick up a MLT LAV or BPO LAV and fill them with R/E. And just CRASH INTO THEM. CCP already annouced a fix for the ''Ban'' meassure while destroying your own equipment,so soon the Kamikaze Jihad LAVS will own the field. GÖªOr spend a minimal amount of SP (instead of leveling one of the NEW weapons all the way up to proto) into tanks. (remember, MLT Afterburner and HARDENERS) we can do more than what vehicle drivers have done for the past months...WHINE. We can and will. Let Tank514 begin for ALL of us. Let us make this problem VISIBLE to CCP,both in the forums and IN GAME. I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today. Those who refuse to be stomped, those who refuse to leave the game, and for those who Want balance in Dust514, follow.... This sounds remarkably like all the tanks getting thrashed by AV posts that came up for the last few patches. Must be CAR-ma...hgehehghehgehgehgehgehgeh. Sorry, that incredibly stupid pun had to be said. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8676	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:26:00 - [8] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I honestly don't mind jihad lavs much, their fun to use/shoot at. You should also give it a few days so people can figure out av tactics, cause right now the same old stand on top of tower and shoot tank till it dies tactic doesnt work You have to have 12 people dancing ritualistically just as the moon passes overhead while an enemy tank shoots by (even without the bug, they are idiotically fast) then you all must call out to a different God while simultaneously firing your weapons, which will summon all players with REs equipped to throw them at the tank at the same time while chanting backwards in chinese the ancient hidden mantra of tank destruction. This will weaken the tank 50% Win ISK / Vids / O7
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 83	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:26:00 - [9] - Quote you know. lavs have more hp than RE's right. lavs have roughly.... i would 2k ehp. your RE has what 10?. so i can theritcally OHK your Lav by shooting your RE. and your RE's are clearly visable markers on your LAV. so. when i shoot the RE on your lav and blow it up. you know i get the kill rgiht. and my blaster shoots/tracks faster than you can get to me. soooooo. please continue to sucide at my blaster tank with your usless tatic.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5009	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:28:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I honestly don't mind jihad lavs much, their fun to use/shoot at. You should also give it a few days so people can figure out av tactics, cause right now the same old stand on top of tower and shoot tank till it dies tactic doesnt work You have to have 12 people dancing ritualistically just as the moon passes overhead while an enemy tank shoots by (even without the bug, they are idiotically fast) then you all must call out to a different God while simultaneously firing your weapons, which will summon all players with REs equipped to throw them at the tank at the same time while chanting backwards in chinese the ancient hidden mantra of tank destruction. This will weaken the tank 50% while he's running hardeners, and would be enough ordinance to destroy at least a dozen tanks with hardeners on cooldown. FTFY. Never forget How to fix the Logi

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3022	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:28:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1531	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:29:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I honestly don't mind jihad lavs much, their fun to use/shoot at. You should also give it a few days so people can figure out av tactics, cause right now the same old stand on top of tower and shoot tank till it dies tactic doesnt work You have to have 12 people dancing ritualistically just as the moon passes overhead while an enemy tank shoots by (even without the bug, they are idiotically fast) then you all must call out to a different God while simultaneously firing your weapons, which will summon all players with REs equipped to throw them at the tank at the same time while chanting backwards in chinese the ancient hidden mantra of tank destruction. This will weaken the tank 50% I admit av could take a 'slight' buff right now. I'm just worried because CCP does not know the meaning of slight "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3022	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:29:00 - [13] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I honestly don't mind jihad lavs much, their fun to use/shoot at. You should also give it a few days so people can figure out av tactics, cause right now the same old stand on top of tower and shoot tank till it dies tactic doesnt work. Also not every tanker whined mind you, just like only a minority of avers are whining right now. We were just having interesting discussions and giving out ideas. I also wouldnt pronounce myself much on "op" tanks before the mlt nitrous is fixed (cause it is ******* broken atm"). Hey im not WHINING. Im thinking of a SOLUTION,mind you.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3022	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:30:00 - [14] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seriously, why do you hate vehicles so much? Somebody has to, since there is so much hate vs AV weaponry..... I would prefer balance, but i already know Vehicle drivers/pilots dont know the word (Made obvious by vehicle users saying NOW they have balance LOL), so if its one or another, i'll take AV anyday... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8678	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:31:00 - [15] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I honestly don't mind jihad lavs much, their fun to use/shoot at. You should also give it a few days so people can figure out av tactics, cause right now the same old stand on top of tower and shoot tank till it dies tactic doesnt work You have to have 12 people dancing ritualistically just as the moon passes overhead while an enemy tank shoots by (even without the bug, they are idiotically fast) then you all must call out to a different God while simultaneously firing your weapons, which will summon all players with REs equipped to throw them at the tank at the same time while chanting backwards in chinese the ancient hidden mantra of tank destruction. This will weaken the tank 50% while he's running hardeners, and would be enough ordinance to destroy at least a dozen tanks with hardeners on cooldown. FTFY. Let me just teleport to the redline while his hardeners are down. Ooops, my bad, only tanks can equip warp drives Win ISK / Vids / O7
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1531	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:31:00 - [16] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I honestly don't mind jihad lavs much, their fun to use/shoot at. You should also give it a few days so people can figure out av tactics, cause right now the same old stand on top of tower and shoot tank till it dies tactic doesnt work. Also not every tanker whined mind you, just like only a minority of avers are whining right now. We were just having interesting discussions and giving out ideas. I also wouldnt pronounce myself much on "op" tanks before the mlt nitrous is fixed (cause it is ******* broken atm"). Hey im not WHINING. Im thinking of a SOLUTION,mind you.... Did I claim you were whining? And yea, the lav is a perfectly viable solution. I killed a tank a madrugar earlier with it. I also got killed by one. "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5011	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:33:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I honestly don't mind jihad lavs much, their fun to use/shoot at. You should also give it a few days so people can figure out av tactics, cause right now the same old stand on top of tower and shoot tank till it dies tactic doesnt work You have to have 12 people dancing ritualistically just as the moon passes overhead while an enemy tank shoots by (even without the bug, they are idiotically fast) then you all must call out to a different God while simultaneously firing your weapons, which will summon all players with REs equipped to throw them at the tank at the same time while chanting backwards in chinese the ancient hidden mantra of tank destruction. This will weaken the tank 50% while he's running hardeners, and would be enough ordinance to destroy at least a dozen tanks with hardeners on cooldown. FTFY. Let me just teleport to the redline while his hardeners are down. Ooops, my bad, only tanks can equip warp drives Implying that a tank would choose to sit in the redline with the current bugged nitro meta But yea, keep rolling 'dem eyes. It's making your points more valid. Never forget How to fix the Logi
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 351	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:34:00 - [18] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seriously, why do you hate vehicles so much? I don't hate vehicles. I hate crutches just like the pathetic hypocritical tankers hate crutches. TBA IS NOT A NAME! At least give the heavy laser a name so we know you MIGHT be working on it.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 357	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:34:00 - [19] - Quote preparing for war. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1531	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:35:00 - [20] - Quote HEY, WE WANT BALANCE TOO!!!!! "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå

Herpius Derpian Bragian Order Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:36:00 - [21] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seriously, why do you hate vehicles so much? I don't hate vehicles. I hate crutches just like the pathetic hypocritical tankers hate crutches. No, you hate vehicles with a passion. You want them out of the game so everyone can play SpaceCoD.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 619	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:37:00 - [22] - Quote speed is only 1 issue which is in our faces at the moment. wait till its fixed and the main issue will be that tanks and especially dropships are still almost indestructible. if 3 proto swarms with stacked damage mods cant take out a stationary dropship then something is wrong there is a major issue with the fact av now has a tiny range compared to a map ceiling of over 1000m and on some maps the span is probably double if not more than that. but all vehicles can run effectively outside the ranges of all av making it all pretty much useless. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3022	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:37:00 - [23] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: HEY, WE WANT BALANCE TOO!!!!! Hard to believe when most Forum players that are vehicle users think vehicles are BALANCED NOW with AV weaponry..... lol SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 830	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:38:00 - [24] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: There is only one true solution to this crisis we are facing. Tankers think we will stay still and they will enjoy the game in its current state for a long period before CCP even TRIES to fix something thats obviously broken. But I.... YOU wont let them. Tankers THINK we are stoopid.Unskilled.Unprepared and lack the balls to do something about it. Vehicle drivers think they will have the upper hand for a LONG PERIOD. They think we will get stomped and ignore them while we die fighting. But they forget that thanks to the ever present broken Vehicle Module we have a fighting chance. GÖªSo i invite you all to pick up a MLT LAV or BPO LAV and fill them with R/E. And just CRASH INTO THEM. CCP already annouced a fix for the ''Ban'' meassure while destroying your own equipment,so soon the Kamikaze Jihad LAVS will own the field. GÖªOr spend a minimal amount of SP (instead of leveling one of the NEW weapons all the way up to proto) into tanks. (remember, MLT Afterburner and HARDENERS) we can do more than what vehicle drivers have done for the past months...WHINE. We can and will. Let Tank514 begin for ALL of us. Let us make this problem VISIBLE to CCP,both in the forums and IN GAME. I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today. Those who refuse to be stomped, those who refuse to leave the game, and for those who Want balance in Dust514, follow.... Uh ok? CCP will and has planned to actively tweak what they've released with this patch. It's really not that big a deal man. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3025	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:39:00 - [25] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: There is only one true solution to this crisis we are facing. Tankers think we will stay still and they will enjoy the game in its current state for a long period before CCP even TRIES to fix something thats obviously broken. But I.... YOU wont let them. Tankers THINK we are stoopid.Unskilled.Unprepared and lack the balls to do something about it. Vehicle drivers think they will have the upper hand for a LONG PERIOD. They think we will get stomped and ignore them while we die fighting. But they forget that thanks to the ever present broken Vehicle Module we have a fighting chance. GÖªSo i invite you all to pick up a MLT LAV or BPO LAV and fill them with R/E. And just CRASH INTO THEM. CCP already annouced a fix for the ''Ban'' meassure while destroying your own equipment,so soon the Kamikaze Jihad LAVS will own the field. GÖªOr spend a minimal amount of SP (instead of leveling one of the NEW weapons all the way up to proto) into tanks. (remember, MLT Afterburner and HARDENERS) we can do more than what vehicle drivers have done for the past months...WHINE. We can and will. Let Tank514 begin for ALL of us. Let us make this problem VISIBLE to CCP,both in the forums and IN GAME. I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today. Those who refuse to be stomped, those who refuse to leave the game, and for those who Want balance in Dust514, follow.... Uh ok? CCP will and has planned to actively tweak what they've released with this patch. It's really not that big a deal man. It is when games come down to what team has the most tanks and CCP has a vehicle limit of a (ridiculous) 7 out of 16.... IT REALLY IS a big deal...man.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1531	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:40:00 - [26] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: speed is only 1 issue which is in our faces at the moment. wait till its fixed and the main issue will be that tanks and especially dropships are still almost indestructible. if 3 proto swarms with stacked damage mods cant take out a stationary dropship then something is wrong there is a major issue with the fact av now has a tiny range compared to a map ceiling of over 1000m and on some maps the span is probably double if not more than that. but all vehicles can run effectively outside the ranges of all av making it all pretty much useless. Dropships have suffered a lot in the past, let them be. Besides, only a handfull of extremely skilled pilots can make them really dangerous "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 67	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:42:00 - [27] - Quote I used to have an Industrial in EVE with a base move of 500m/s before MWD... My Indy 500 I might just have to skill into a tank and use it as a battering RAM rather then using an AV. Or just do donuts around the maps... Put some cheap guns on it and let fellow blueberries paint the town red(berry). Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3025	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:42:00 - [28] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: speed is only 1 issue which is in our faces at the moment. wait till its fixed and the main issue will be that tanks and especially dropships are still almost indestructible. if 3 proto swarms with stacked damage mods cant take out a stationary dropship then something is wrong there is a major issue with the fact av now has a tiny range compared to a map ceiling of over 1000m and on some maps the span is probably double if not more than that. but all vehicles can run effectively outside the ranges of all av making it all pretty much useless. Dropships have suffered a lot in the past, let them be. Besides, only a handfull of extremely skilled pilots can make them really dangerous Nobody deserves to be indestructble. You deserve an EDGE over your opponent regarding your SP and ISK spent/invested. But Being Immune vs a player that has spent a LOT of SP into AV just because is not fair. NO LDS should take on 2 DIRECT shots of my Breach FG (Prof 5 and 2 cx dam mods mind you) and just keep hovering there like its nothing,while im Risking my neck standing still vs Tanks, other infantry etc........ Bs.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1531	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:43:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: There is only one true solution to this crisis we are facing. Tankers think we will stay still and they will enjoy the game in its current state for a long period before CCP even TRIES to fix something thats obviously broken. But I.... YOU wont let them. Tankers THINK we are stoopid.Unskilled.Unprepared and lack the balls to do something about it. Vehicle drivers think they will have the upper hand for a LONG PERIOD. They think we will get stomped and ignore them while we die fighting. But they forget that thanks to the ever present broken Vehicle Module we have a fighting chance. GÖªSo i invite you all to pick up a MLT LAV or BPO LAV and fill them with R/E. And just CRASH INTO THEM. CCP already annouced a fix for the ''Ban'' meassure while destroying your own equipment,so soon the Kamikaze Jihad LAVS will own the field. GÖªOr spend a minimal amount of SP (instead of leveling one of the NEW weapons all the way up to proto) into tanks. (remember, MLT Afterburner and HARDENERS) we can do more than what vehicle drivers have done for the past months...WHINE. We can and will. Let Tank514 begin for ALL of us. Let us make this problem VISIBLE to CCP,both in the forums and IN GAME. I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today. Those who refuse to be stomped, those who refuse to leave the game, and for those who Want balance in Dust514, follow.... Uh ok? CCP will and has planned to actively tweak what they've released with this patch. It's really not that big a deal man. It is when games come down to what team has the most tanks. IT REALLY IS a big deal...man.... It's a refreshing change to whoever has the most gal logis. Don't forget quality > quantity, I took on two tanks earlier and still won "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3025	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:45:00 - [30] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: It's a refreshing change to whoever has the most gal logis. Don't forget quality > quantity, I took out on two tanks earlier and still won Thats nice. want a cookie? the fact you got lucky wont change the fact that vehicles are OP now ty to AV nerf and ret@rded modules. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1864	Posted - 2013.12.12 05:51:00 - [31] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. WHAT????? They're people too, work with them, they might concede and say that AV needs some Buffs. Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a normal person, if I seem like a douche it's because I hate 90% of people on these forums
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1865	Posted - 2013.12.12 06:00:00 - [32] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... They couldn't R*'s tank team was the closest thing to that and they had limited effectiveness due to the bad situation tanks were in, Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a normal person, if I seem like a douche it's because I hate 90% of people on these forums
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 620	Posted - 2013.12.12 06:03:00 - [33] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: speed is only 1 issue which is in our faces at the moment. wait till its fixed and the main issue will be that tanks and especially dropships are still almost indestructible. if 3 proto swarms with stacked damage mods cant take out a stationary dropship then something is wrong there is a major issue with the fact av now has a tiny range compared to a map ceiling of over 1000m and on some maps the span is probably double if not more than that. but all vehicles can run effectively outside the ranges of all av making it all pretty much useless. Dropships have suffered a lot in the past, let them be. Besides, only a handfull of extremely skilled pilots can make them really dangerous its a dropship.... the cargo is what's meant to be dangerous not the ship itself. the whole point is to get in fast...drop the cargo and leave, hence its called a dropship not a heavy bomber. its not meant to sit there hovering sniping at anything on the ground that moves while every piece of av on the ground is shooting at them doing little to no damage, that is if they can actually get in range. i know of a few tankers who made do with the so called weak tank from before 1.7 yet dominated almost every game. i guess they are still happy because now they can do it without any risk off death. i also know of 1 who always ran with crew but now with the changes he could barely fit a tank of any use and if he even attempts to allow crew in his vehicle it puts him at a disadvantage to all other tanks who don't allow for crew. come to think of it last i saw of him was him trying to fit a tank and then he logged off. not seen him since. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3040	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:26:00 - [34] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: They couldn't R's tank team was the closest thing to that and they had limited effectiveness due to the bad situation tanks were in, Tanks WERE NOT IN A BAD STATE before 1.7.* Thats a Lie and a Forum legend used to make CCP nerf AV. Tanks , at least ARMOR tanks were badass and could take a LOT of AV fire and still survive easily. They just needed to make the Armor repair Glitch NOT a glitch, and make Shield tanks equally strong and everybody would be happy. But no. My Maddry with 7k EHP and 60 % damage resistance and insane repair per second got killed once in 10 games? Better go QQ in the forums... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 124	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:32:00 - [35] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Killar-12 wrote: They couldn't R's tank team was the closest thing to that and they had limited effectiveness due to the bad situation tanks were in, Tanks WERE NOT IN A BAD STATE before 1.7.* Thats a Lie and a Forum legend used to make CCP nerf AV. Tanks , at least ARMOR tanks were badass and could take a LOT of AV fire and still survive easily. They just needed to make the Armor repair Glitch NOT a glitch, and make Shield tanks equally strong and everybody would be happy. But no. My Maddry with 7k EHP and 60 % damage resistance and insane repair per second got killed once in 10 games? Better go QQ in the forums... forum legend???? Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1919	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:32:00 - [36] - Quote o7 DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
CharCharOdell 1728	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:36:00 - [37] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... We did but then yall would whine about us getting 30/0 Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3041	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:37:00 - [38] - Quote I mean seriously. I bought 10 somas I put on them: GÖª MLT Armor Hardener GÖª (LEFT) the MLT armor repairer GÖª MLT Active scanner GÖª MLT Afterburner (AKA JUMP GATE) I had 10 of these tanks that cost the same or LESS than a PROTO DROPSUIT. I used them in many matches. At least 10. Lost 1. Destroyed 2 Maddys, 2 Gunnos and around 10 MLT tanks. welcome to godmode, TANK514.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3041	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:38:00 - [39] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... We did but then yall would whine about us getting 30/0 nope. Nobody whinned about a tanks going 30-0 with teamwork. Its when it was the TANKER alone. Do not change FACTs to better suit the protection of the CRUTCH.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 214	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:39:00 - [40] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... Message from Godin: I know I tried. Half the time, you ***** are useless peices of that won't aim and shoot at a AV'er, even if you have a clear shot. Anyways, simple: grab a LAV, a swarm (wiki swarm for best effect), fluxes, FL, and a nanohive. Follow around the prey, wait until the hardeners go off, go straight towards it, hop out, and blast the ****. Works every time.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1920	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:41:00 - [41] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: It's a refreshing change to whoever has the most gal logis. Don't forget quality > quantity, I took on two tanks earlier and still won Not really. Quantity>Quality. Why? Because your vehicle cannot withstand a squad of Sicas firing Railguns into you. And even if you could, the most you can fire at is 3, so when you pop some I can just call in three more. All in all, that would never cost me more than 400k. GalLogis? At least I didn't have to be a Logi to kill a GalLogi. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1920	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:43:00 - [42] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you know. lavs have more hp than RE's right. lavs have roughly.... i would 2k ehp. your RE has what 10?. so i can theritcally OHK your Lav by shooting your RE. and your RE's are clearly visable markers on your LAV. so. when i shoot the RE on your lav and blow it up. you know i get the kill rgiht. and my blaster shoots/tracks faster than you can get to me. soooooo. please continue to sucide at my blaster tank with your usless tatic. Yes, but you can't fire at multipule LAVs. When 6 Jihad Jeeps flank from all sides, you going down. End of story. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3041	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:48:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you know. lavs have more hp than RE's right. lavs have roughly.... i would 2k ehp. your RE has what 10?. so i can theritcally OHK your Lav by shooting your RE. and your RE's are clearly visable markers on your LAV. so. when i shoot the RE on your lav and blow it up. you know i get the kill rgiht. and my blaster shoots/tracks faster than you can get to me. soooooo. please continue to sucide at my blaster tank with your usless tatic. Yes, but you can't fire at multipule LAVs. When 6 Jihad Jeeps flank from all sides, you going down. End of story. It shouldnt take so much to takle down a tank hat might cost less than a proto suit........ SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1923	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:49:00 - [44] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seriously, why do you hate vehicles so much? We don't hate vehicles. What we do hate however, are vehicles becoming a FoTM so big that the only way to deal with the FoTM would be to use that FoTM, which would do nothing but contribute to said FoTM while advertising said FoTM at the same time. I do hate the pilots though. Especially the ones who cried like CoD scrubs and spread BS lies everywhere when they realized that they couldn't go solo entire teams with no risk what whatsoever. But hey, now it's our turn. And AUR from infantry is where this game's big bucks are spent. So when CCP sees the huge hole in their pockets what do you think they will do? I can guarantee that you will be begging for 1.6 back by the end of this. Also, is it strange how apparently I who has supposedly never used a tank before could easily survive PRO AV, yet the proclaimed vets couldn't? Very strange indeed. (Pre 1.6) DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1923	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:52:00 - [45] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Atiim wrote: When 6 Jihad Jeeps flank from all sides, you going down. End of story. It shouldn't take so much to tackle down a tank hat might cost less than a proto suit........ As long as HAVs don't require teamwork, it shouldn't take more than one. You can't have teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me. That's called balance pilots. Then again, I doubt you comprehend the term balance. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 427	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:53:00 - [46] - Quote Sounds like we are back to chrome days, whoever has the most tanks wins, yay for whiny useless bastards who can only do anything with about 3 feet of steel between them and the guy with a gun bringing back their power houses.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1205	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:57:00 - [47] - Quote Im in, I have 10 rail tanks ready! New Logi suit with 3 RE and proto hive! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3044	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:57:00 - [48] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Sounds like we are back to chrome days, whoever has the most tanks wins, yay for whiny useless bastards who can only do anything with about 3 feet of steel between them and the guy with a gun bringing back their power houses. +1 SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3044	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:58:00 - [49] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Im in, I have 10 rail tanks ready! New Logi suit with 3 RE and proto hive! HEH freakn tanks are OP LOL, i murdered like 3 LAV's in a row with hardeners on and my Omega SPEED Afterburner , just run them over! Im thinking of a new OP Murdertaxi fit for my soma..... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 355	Posted - 2013.12.12 22:59:00 - [50] - Quote Atiim wrote: We don't hate vehicles. What we do hate however, are vehicles becoming a FoTM so big that the only way to deal with the FoTM would be to use that FoTM, which would do nothing but contribute to said FoTM while advertising said FoTM at the same time. I do hate the pilots though. Especially the ones who cried like CoD scrubs and spread BS lies everywhere when they realized that they couldn't go solo entire teams with no risk what whatsoever. But hey, now it's our turn. And AUR from infantry is where this game's big bucks are spent. So when CCP sees the huge hole in their pockets what do you think they will do? I can guarantee that you will be begging for 1.6 back by the end of this. Also, is it strange how apparently I who has supposedly never used a tank before could easily survive PRO AV, yet the proclaimed vets couldn't? Very strange indeed. (Pre 1.6) Attim, you seem like a charismatic guy. What's so hard about recruiting an AV-tank squad? I love blowing up other tanks. It's way more fun going 5-2 in a match against good tankers, than 300-0 against a bunch of people who can't fight back.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1923	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:02:00 - [51] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Why would anyone work with vehicles? They currently require no teamwork, and when used solo can provide the same performance as a full squad. They also require a full squad to destroy. And I'll work with other pilots when they stop whining like COD B!tches when they can't go inside a vehicle solo and return with a score of 60/0 with no risk or skill whatsoever. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
The Attorney General 1626	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:02:00 - [52] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Sounds like we are back to chrome days, whoever has the most tanks wins, yay for whiny useless bastards who can only do anything with about 3 feet of steel between them and the guy with a gun bringing back their power houses. Better than a bunch of mouth breathers hiding on towers spamming missiles that do all the work for them. Oh wait, those guys are hardcore right? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 1626	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:04:00 - [53] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Why would anyone work with vehicles? They currently require no teamwork, and when used solo can provide the same performance as a full squad. They also require a full squad to destroy. And I'll work with other pilots when they stop whining like COD B!tches when they can't go inside a vehicle solo and return with a score of 60/0 with no risk or skill whatsoever. If it takes a full squad to destroy a tank, you are doing it wrong. Get better. Tanks have always required teamwork, now more than ever. You may not understand why, but that is ok, stupid people never get it no matter how much you explain it to them. Vehicle users tried to have rational conversations about AV, but you guys put your fingers in your ears and screamed that everything was fine. This is your result. Expect no sympathy. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 427	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:06:00 - [54] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Sounds like we are back to chrome days, whoever has the most tanks wins, yay for whiny useless bastards who can only do anything with about 3 feet of steel between them and the guy with a gun bringing back their power houses. Better than a bunch of mouth breathers hiding on towers spamming missiles that do all the work for them. Oh wait, those guys are hardcore right? Gotta love the guys who need a giant metal crutch to play a game and anything at all that can even hurt them turns eveyone who uses them into mouth breathers.
The Attorney General 1626	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:14:00 - [55] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Gotta love the guys who need a giant metal crutch to play a game and anything at all that can even hurt them turns eveyone who uses them into mouth breathers. If you were half as manly as you are pretending to be, you would have done what real men do and gone and done a tour somewhere. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1923	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:17:00 - [56] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: If it takes a full squad to destroy a tank, you are doing it wrong. Get better. Tanks have always required teamwork, now more than ever. You may not understand why, but that is ok, stupid people never get it no matter how much you explain it to them. Vehicle users tried to have rational conversations about AV, but you guys put your fingers in your ears and screamed that everything was fine. This is your result. Expect no sympathy. If you got easily soloed by AV back in 1.6, then you were doing it wrong. Get better. Okay. Tell me what teamwork does a tank require. I went into a few matches yesterday and pulled out scores of 30/0 while I was a blueberry. How is that teamwork? Rational conversations? Please, link one. All pilots have ever said was "Waahhh Wahh. I get OHK'd by MLT AV" "Waahhh Waaah, AV should require teamwork" "Waaah Waaaah. Vehicles shouldn't require teamwork". And insert more QQ here. Sympathy. LOL. Infantry and AV ARE the community. What does DUST 514's revenue come from? Definitely not people buying AUR vehicles. We don't require sympathy because we are this community. We assign "sympathy". Pilots? They are a literal sub-section of this game's playerbase. For every 1 pilot there are 32 more people who are infantry. This ain't Tank 514. And it is a First Person Shooter. Not vehicle simulator. Sorry This is not our result. You haven't even seen us get started yet. And our true result will make you cry for 1.6. Your claim and case is faulty General. And no Attorney will save the case. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1553	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:18:00 - [57] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: speed is only 1 issue which is in our faces at the moment. wait till its fixed and the main issue will be that tanks and especially dropships are still almost indestructible. if 3 proto swarms with stacked damage mods cant take out a stationary dropship then something is wrong there is a major issue with the fact av now has a tiny range compared to a map ceiling of over 1000m and on some maps the span is probably double if not more than that. but all vehicles can run effectively outside the ranges of all av making it all pretty much useless. Dropships have suffered a lot in the past, let them be. Besides, only a handfull of extremely skilled pilots can make them really dangerous its a dropship.... the cargo is what's meant to be dangerous not the ship itself. the whole point is to get in fast...drop the cargo and leave, hence its called a dropship not a heavy bomber. its not meant to sit there hovering sniping at anything on the ground that moves while every piece of av on the ground is shooting at them doing little to no damage, that is if they can actually get in range. i know of a few tankers who made do with the so called weak tank from before 1.7 yet dominated almost every game. i guess they are still happy because now they can do it without any risk off death. i also know of 1 who always ran with crew but now with the changes he could barely fit a tank of any use and if he even attempts to allow crew in his vehicle it puts him at a disadvantage to all other tanks who don't allow for crew. come to think of it last i saw of him was him trying to fit a tank and then he logged off. not seen him since. I meant assault dropships Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 355	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:19:00 - [58] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Gotta love the guys who need a giant metal crutch to play a game and anything at all that can even hurt them turns eveyone who uses them into mouth breathers. Oh, shut up. You're in EoN, you've got a bunch of quality tankers there. Do they even know you spend so much time sh*t-talking their play style?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1924	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:19:00 - [59] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Better than a bunch of mouth breathers hiding on towers spamming missiles that do all the work for them. Oh wait, those guys are hardcore right? As if HAVs required any actual skills DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1274	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:20:00 - [60] - Quote Ace, you've got to look out for my jihad jeep in FW once the fix comes around. Until then, I will be speeding into tanks in pubs while screaming "You die for St. Arzad!!!!!!!" over comms Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1924	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:22:00 - [61] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Oh, shut up. You're in EoN, you've got a bunch of quality tankers there. Do they even know you spend so much time sht-talking their play style? Doesn't matter. He isn't required to bend over and take it from EoN. He isn't EoN's prostitute. If I was in EoN. (Never would even want to); I'd still "sht-talk" about their playstyle. Heck, I'd even do it in Corp & Alliance chat. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
The Attorney General 1631	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:22:00 - [62] - Quote Atiim wrote: If you got easily soloed by AV back in 1.6, then you were doing it wrong. Get better. Okay. Tell me what teamwork does a tank require. I went into a few matches yesterday and pulled out scores of 30/0 while I was a blueberry. How is that teamwork? Rational conversations? Please, link one. All pilots have ever said was "Waahhh Wahh. I get OHK'd by MLT AV" "Waahhh Waaah, AV should require teamwork" "Waaah Waaaah. Vehicles shouldn't require teamwork". And insert more QQ here. Sympathy. LOL. Infantry and AV ARE the community. What does DUST 514's revenue come from? Definitely not people buying AUR vehicles. We don't require sympathy because we are this community. We assign "sympathy". Pilots? They are a literal sub-section of this game's playerbase. For every 1 pilot there are 32 more people who are infantry. This ain't Tank 514. And it is a First Person Shooter. Not vehicle simulator. Sorry This is not our result. You haven't even seen us get started yet. And our true result will make you cry for 1.6. Your claim and case is faulty General. And no Attorney will save the case. I am not doing your work for you scrub. You can go through my posting history, go back to the start of uprising, and see what I wrote. You pulled a 30/0? Must have been fighting people who have the same abysmal level of AV skill as you do. I would strongly advise you to go and see someone about that raging superiority complex you have going on. Going to cause you nothing but problems when you grow up. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1724	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:23:00 - [63] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... I'm glad I specced out of HAVs in 1.7, because I pretty much hate both the "vocal" AV and the "vocal" HAV posters at this point... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1556	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:25:00 - [64] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: The Attorney General wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Sounds like we are back to chrome days, whoever has the most tanks wins, yay for whiny useless bastards who can only do anything with about 3 feet of steel between them and the guy with a gun bringing back their power houses. Better than a bunch of mouth breathers hiding on towers spamming missiles that do all the work for them. Oh wait, those guys are hardcore right? Gotta love the guys who need a giant metal crutch to play a game and anything at all that can even hurt them turns eveyone who uses them into mouth breathers. **** off, tanking is harder than running in with a lolinstakill rifle and stomping everything that moves. Infantry still does most of the killing btw. Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 216	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:28:00 - [65] - Quote Atiim wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: It's a refreshing change to whoever has the most gal logis. Don't forget quality > quantity, I took on two tanks earlier and still won Not really. Quantity>Quality. Why? Because your vehicle cannot withstand a squad of Sicas firing Railguns into you. And even if you could, the most you can fire at is 3, so when you pop some I can just call in three more. All in all, that would never cost me more than 400k. GalLogis? At least I didn't have to be a Logi to kill a GalLogi. Message from Godin: 1: He's right, it's quality>quantity. I took down 6 HAV's and 3 LAV's earlier. 2: 5 minutes ago, I got 11 AV kills. Adapt or die.
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 355	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:30:00 - [66] - Quote Atiim wrote: Our Deepest Regret wrote: Oh, shut up. You're in EoN, you've got a bunch of quality tankers there. Do they even know you spend so much time sht-talking their play style? Doesn't matter. He isn't required to bend over and take it from EoN. He isn't EoN's prostitute. If I was in EoN. (Never would even want to); I'd still "sht-talk" about their playstyle. Heck, I'd even do it in Corp & Alliance chat. Not quite certain how we went into a prostitution analogy, from a rebuke about the irony of complaining about something that his side uses to continue their domination, but cheers all the same.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 429	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:30:00 - [67] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Gotta love the guys who need a giant metal crutch to play a game and anything at all that can even hurt them turns eveyone who uses them into mouth breathers. If you were half as manly as you are pretending to be, you would have done what real men do and gone and done a tour somewhere. and now hes trying to pull RL bs on people to validate his point, Lemme guess you were some kind of marine meat head, or some high ranking dude in the army. I highly doubt that I know quite a few people who have served and they don't try to use their military experience to validate anything, unless they were discharged, and well then they were just failures anyway.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 161	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:36:00 - [68] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you know. lavs have more hp than RE's right. lavs have roughly.... i would 2k ehp. your RE has what 10?. so i can theritcally OHK your Lav by shooting your RE. and your RE's are clearly visable markers on your LAV. so. when i shoot the RE on your lav and blow it up. you know i get the kill rgiht. and my blaster shoots/tracks faster than you can get to me. soooooo. please continue to sucide at my blaster tank with your usless tatic. Rail works about the same in that effect. Im not too worried about the state of vehicles. I main a scout anyway, but the tanks are finally fun to play. And its nice to seem them fielded in almost every match. At least their used more... Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
The Attorney General 1632	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:39:00 - [69] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: and now hes trying to pull RL bs on people to validate his point, Lemme guess you were some kind of marine meat head, or some high ranking dude in the army. I highly doubt that I know quite a few people who have served and they don't try to use their military experience to validate anything, unless they were discharged, and well then they were just failures anyway. My point was that if you were so hung up on fighting in a noble and brave fashion, you certainly wouldn't be playing video games. There are serious wars going on where you could put that integrity to the real test. But then you really couldn't join any western military either, because they take noob stomping to a whole different level. If we wanted to be as brave as you, we would go walking into a foreign country with our bare hands and take it all from them one at a time right? BTW, do you go running around every match in a MLT suit, using only a scrambler pistol with no skills? No? Well then, you need to stop being a coward hiding behind your AR and advanced suit. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4150	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:44:00 - [70] - Quote you know what? i am ***** sick of these discussions, all we see are the same *** names bitching at each other over and over again, and each and every one of them on both sides of the AV vehicle divide just turns every single *** balance thread into a pile of crappy insults and such one sided "balance" that the entire thread becomes worthless. so Checkmate, atiim, char, and every other *** "vocal" member please just Shut The Up, and let us have a calm, rational, thought out, and most importantly, a productive conversation that the devs can use to help balance the game. and on the note of balance, it is day ***** 2 of this update, both sides need time to get used to and explore options for their respective styles, what this means is that everyone needs to get used to the new active module system, and more importantly pay more attention to what their damage type is, for example if i'm in a shield dropship with a 60% hardener on, don't expect to get anywhere shooting me with swarms, the damage you do is so little i can actively ignore till the last 5 seconds of my activation time, then i pull back out of range. if there's a forge gun shooting me however, i still panic and get the hell out of there, though hugely reduced with hardeners on FGs still kill me pretty quick, hell two FGs in tandem will punch through my hardener so fast half the time i don't have time to activate my booster. so, use the correct damage type for the correct tank, its as simple as that. though i will admit swarms could probably do with a damage buff, i speak as a shield user though, so i don't know if that's appropriate compared to how they fair against armour vehicles. as for tanks, they are currently bugged, as such any balance discussions about them will be worthless till he bug is fixed, this is due to the fact that they are bugged, they aren't working as they normally should, hence any balance attempts will be against the broken model, screwing over the intended one. that said some, such as jason pearson (a tanker btw) have suggested reducing tanks base speed, so that it takes longer to escape the danger zone, hence giving AV more time to shoot at it. and please, can we just leave all the insults, drama, raging e-peens, superiority complexes at the door and attempt a useful, civil, and productive conversation? Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1927	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:45:00 - [71] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: I am not doing your work for you scrub. You can go through my posting history, go back to the start of uprising, and see what I wrote. You pulled a 30/0? Must have been fighting people who have the same abysmal level of AV skill as you do. I would strongly advise you to go and see someone about that raging superiority complex you have going on. Going to cause you nothing but problems when you grow up. You aren't doing work (not that HAV pilots ever have). Tanks require no teamwork whatsoever. I've been using tanks for over half a year. And I can truly say, Tankers do not require teamwork, nor want to require teamwork to be successful. I went 30/0 by doing nothing but spamming R1 and running to a Supply depot when I was running low or when my hardners were about to die. It is very easy in fact. So much easier than me running even ARs. AV? For half the match they were waiting for my hardners to die. I simply ran like a cheetah when my hardners were about to give up. I only had a "near" close call once when my hardners died and they dropped an OB on me. But it's a good thing I had some NOS. And I wasn't even using the bugged MLT one, but the non bugged basic one. Superiority problems? I assume that you don't read posts from other tankers including yourself. The irony in your statement is so outright hilarious that it is starting to make my sides hurt. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3057	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:47:00 - [72] - Quote gbghg wrote: you know what? i am ***** sick of these discussions, all we see are the same *** names bitching at each other over and over again, and each and every one of them on both sides of the AV vehicle divide just turns every single *** balance thread into a pile of crappy insults and such one sided "balance" that the entire thread becomes worthless. so Checkmate, atiim, char, and every other *** "vocal" member please just Shut The Up, and let us have a calm, rational, thought out, and most importantly, a productive conversation that the devs can use to help balance the game. and on the note of balance, it is day *** 2 of this update, both sides need time to get used to and explore options for their respective styles, what this means is that everyone needs to get used to the new active module system, and more importantly pay more attention to what their damage type is, for example if i'm in a shield dropship with a 60% hardener on, don't expect to get anywhere shooting me with swarms, the damage you do is so little i can actively ignore till the last 5 seconds of my activation time, then i pull back out of range. if there's a forge gun shooting me however, i still panic and get the hell out of there, though hugely reduced with hardeners on FGs still kill me pretty quick, hell two FGs in tandem will punch through my hardener so fast half the time i don't have time to activate my booster. so, use the correct damage type for the correct tank, its as simple as that. though i will admit swarms could probably do with a damage buff, i speak as a shield user though, so i don't know if that's appropriate compared to how they fair against armour vehicles. as for tanks, they are currently bugged, as such any balance discussions about them will be worthless till he bug is fixed, this is due to the fact that they are bugged, they aren't working as they normally should, hence any balance attempts will be against the broken model, screwing over the intended one. that said some, such as jason pearson (a tanker btw) have suggested reducing tanks base speed, so that it takes longer to escape the danger zone, hence giving AV more time to shoot at it. and please, can we just leave all the insults, drama, raging e-peens, superiority complexes at the door and attempt a useful, civil, and productive conversation? I agree.However.Its impossible to have a rational conversation as soon as a vehicle driver says: ''Things are balanced''.... EVEN without the MLT afterburner glitch. Things are way in favor of vehicles,so much that in Maps like Line Harvest and Ash Land, the team with the better tanker will always win. SCR User Since release.** Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
The Attorney General 1632	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:50:00 - [73] - Quote Atiim wrote: You aren't doing work (not that HAV pilots ever have). Tanks require no teamwork whatsoever. I've been using tanks for over half a year. And I can truly say, Tankers do not require teamwork, nor want to require teamwork to be successful. I went 30/0 by doing nothing but spamming R1 and running to a Supply depot when I was running low or when my hardners were about to die. It is very easy in fact. So much easier than me running even ARs. AV? For half the match they were waiting for my hardners to die. I simply ran like a cheetah when my hardners were about to give up. I only had a "near" close call once when my hardners died and they dropped an OB on me. But it's a good thing I had some NOS. And I wasn't even using the bugged MLT one, but the non bugged basic one. You can't say tanks require no teamwork when you have never played one in a PC. You put up a 30/0 in a PC against not garbage opposition and I will freely admit that tanks are OP. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3058	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:53:00 - [74] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: You aren't doing work (not that HAV pilots ever have). Tanks require no teamwork whatsoever. I've been using tanks for over half a year. And I can truly say, Tankers do not require teamwork, nor want to require teamwork to be successful. I went 30/0 by doing nothing but spamming R1 and running to a Supply depot when I was running low or when my hardners were about to die. It is very easy in fact. So much easier than me running even ARs. AV? For half the match they were waiting for my hardners to die. I simply ran like a cheetah when my hardners were about to give up. I only had a "near" close call once when my hardners died and they dropped an OB on me. But it's a good thing I had some NOS. And I wasn't even using the bugged MLT one, but the non bugged basic one. You can't say tanks require no teamwork when you have never played one in a PC. You put up a 30/0 in a PC against not garbage opposition and I will freely admit that tanks are OP. If you cannot go 20/0 or better in a PC with a tank its not the tankers fault but the team you are playing with for not taking out the enemy (plus Avers) with the advantage of having a tank. And even if you cannot reach the 30's im pretty sure you can easily die 0 times in a PC match as it is... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
The Attorney General 1632	Posted - 2013.12.12 23:58:00 - [75] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: If you cannot go 20/0 or better in a PC with a tank its not the tankers fault but the team you are playing with for not taking out the enemy (plus Avers) with the advantage of having a tank. And even if you cannot reach the 30's im pretty sure you can easily die 0 times in a PC match as it is... Dumbest thing you have said in a while. According to checkmate, the enemy will never field another tank, nor will they make an effort to destroy an enemy tank. Sounds like someone has never played a PC. I totally should have finished you off on the roof earlier. Too bad that sniper got you. Whats funny is that I took out 4 tanks that round, while you did a whole bag of nothing. I was impressed. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1929	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:01:00 - [76] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: You can't say tanks require no teamwork when you have never played one in a PC. You put up a 30/0 in a PC against not garbage opposition and I will freely admit that tanks are OP. Another wrong assumption. I've played PC and still do sometimes. But I am taking gbghg's suggestion. When you want to create a calm and reasonable suggestion, then we can talk. Until then, having fun spraying hot air. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3058	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:01:00 - [77] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: If you cannot go 20/0 or better in a PC with a tank its not the tankers fault but the team you are playing with for not taking out the enemy (plus Avers) with the advantage of having a tank. And even if you cannot reach the 30's im pretty sure you can easily die 0 times in a PC match as it is... Dumbest thing you have said in a while. According to checkmate, the enemy will never field another tank, nor will they make an effort to destroy an enemy tank. Sounds like someone has never played a PC. I totally should have finished you off on the roof earlier. Too bad that sniper got you. Whats funny is that I took out 4 tanks that round, while you did a whole bag of nothing. I was impressed. Exactly, because i had 4 snipers on me, and you were protected by your team. Bragging about something like ''having a better team just because scotty'' is lame. Because my Breach forge gun is so crappy that by the time the second shot is charged the enemy tank either fleed or is at full HP again. Of course in P they will try to destroy a tank. Nothing prevents me from: a) Defeat the other tank b) Flee There is nothing the enemy can do about it. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1557	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:03:00 - [78] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Why would anyone work with vehicles? They currently require no teamwork, and when used solo can provide the same performance as a full squad. They also require a full squad to destroy. And I'll work with other pilots when they stop whining like COD B!tches when they can't go inside a vehicle solo and return with a score of 60/0 with no risk or skill whatsoever. Because you are clearly not whining like a COD B!tch right now. Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
The Attorney General 1632	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:04:00 - [79] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Exactly, because i had 4 snipers on me, and you were protected by your team. Because my Breach forge gun is so crappy that by the time the second shot is charged the enemy tank either fleed or is at full HP again. Of course in P they will try to destroy a tank. Nothing prevents me from: a) Defeat the other tank b) Flee There is nothing the enemy can do about it. I was on your team you daft fool. I was running around hacking, throwing uplinks, and popping tanks. You were perched on a roof like you were doing something and accomplishing f all. You say tanks are OP, but you fight them like an idiot. I have now seen how you fight them, and am no longer surprised at how much you complain. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 1632	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:05:00 - [80] - Quote Atiim wrote: Another wrong assumption. I've played PC and still do sometimes. But I am taking gbghg's suggestion. When you want to create a calm and reasonable suggestion, then we can talk. Until then, having fun spraying hot air. PC in a tank? Against who? Did you pull a 30/0? Because it is that easy right? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.

T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 55	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:07:00 - [81] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you know. lavs have more hp than RE's right. lavs have roughly.... i would 2k ehp. your RE has what 10?. so i can theritcally OHK your Lav by shooting your RE. and your RE's are clearly visable markers on your LAV. so. when i shoot the RE on your lav and blow it up. you know i get the kill rgiht. and my blaster shoots/tracks faster than you can get to me. soooooo. please continue to sucide at my blaster tank with your usless tatic. i got you a couple times, just find cover watch the map and plan your run. it was fun, but now it's just boring.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3061	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:08:00 - [82] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: I was on your team you daft fool. I was running around hacking, throwing uplinks, and popping tanks. You were perched on a roof like you were doing something and accomplishing f all. You say tanks are OP, but you fight them like an idiot. I have now seen how you fight them, and am no longer surprised at how much you complain. 1st how should i know exactly what game are you talking about if you dont specify? 2nd I usually dont tower FG snipe. But i couldnt do squat no where else since i had Charge snipers on my head 24/7 3rd I really dont care what you think.The mere fact you think tanks are ''fine'' makes me realize you dont know balance. 4th. I wasnt even AV ing (if its the match im thinking, probably the one at manus peaks). I was covering B from the Roof. >..> because everybody was too busy getting ''kills'' and i wanted to win 5th, judging a player for the preformance in ONE game says a LOT about your way of thinking too... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1557	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:08:00 - [83] - Quote gbghg wrote: you know what? i am ***** sick of these discussions, all we see are the same *** names bitching at each other over and over again, and each and every one of them on both sides of the AV vehicle divide just turns every single *** balance thread into a pile of crappy insults and such one sided "balance" that the entire thread becomes worthless. so Checkmate, atiim, char, and every other *** "vocal" member please just Shut The Up, and let us have a calm, rational, thought out, and most importantly, a productive conversation that the devs can use to help balance the game. and on the note of balance, it is day *** 2 of this update, both sides need time to get used to and explore options for their respective styles, what this means is that everyone needs to get used to the new active module system, and more importantly pay more attention to what their damage type is, for example if i'm in a shield dropship with a 60% hardener on, don't expect to get anywhere shooting me with swarms, the damage you do is so little i can actively ignore till the last 5 seconds of my activation time, then i pull back out of range. if there's a forge gun shooting me however, i still panic and get the hell out of there, though hugely reduced with hardeners on FGs still kill me pretty quick, hell two FGs in tandem will punch through my hardener so fast half the time i don't have time to activate my booster. so, use the correct damage type for the correct tank, its as simple as that. though i will admit swarms could probably do with a damage buff, i speak as a shield user though, so i don't know if that's appropriate compared to how they fair against armour vehicles. as for tanks, they are currently bugged, as such any balance discussions about them will be worthless till he bug is fixed, this is due to the fact that they are bugged, they aren't working as they normally should, hence any balance attempts will be against the broken model, screwing over the intended one. that said some, such as jason pearson (a tanker btw) have suggested reducing tanks base speed, so that it takes longer to escape the danger zone, hence giving AV more time to shoot at it. and please, can we just leave all the insults, drama, raging e-peens, superiority complexes at the door and attempt a useful, civil, and productive conversation? Same here, I am starting to get infected by trollism. I'm just tired of making intelligent repplies and listening to what others have to say when they don't even make the effort of considering what I say. AND IT'S PRESENT ON BOTH SIDES!!!! BOTH *** AV AND ***** TANKS... I never thought I would ever see you mad lol Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Heavy Salvo Fatal Absolution 136	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:12:00 - [84] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: If you got easily soloed by AV back in 1.6, then you were doing it wrong. Get better. Okay. Tell me what teamwork does a tank require. I went into a few matches yesterday and pulled out scores of 30/0 while I was a blueberry. How is that teamwork? Rational conversations? Please, link one. All pilots have ever said was "Waahhh Wahh. I get OHK'd by MLT AV" "Waahhh Waaah, AV should require teamwork" "Waaah Waaaah. Vehicles shouldn't require teamwork". And insert more QQ here. Sympathy. LOL. Infantry and AV ARE the community. What does DUST 514's revenue come from? Definitely not people buying AUR vehicles. We don't require sympathy because we are this community. We assign "sympathy". Pilots? They are a literal sub-section of this game's playerbase. For every 1 pilot there are 32 more people who are infantry. This ain't Tank 514. And it is a First Person Shooter. Not vehicle simulator. Sorry This is not our result. You haven't even seen us get started yet. And our true result will make you cry for 1.6. Your claim and case is faulty General. And no Attorney will save the case. I am not doing your work for you scrub. You can go through my posting history, go back to the start of uprising, and see what I wrote. You pulled a 30/0? Must have been fighting people who have the same abysmal level of AV skill as you do. I would strongly advise you to go and see someone about that raging superiority complex you have going on. Going to cause you nothing but problems when you grow up. wait....he does realize that you didn't just slap attorney in front of general and said "DAYUM DATS A GOOD MONIKER." and that its an actual thing....right? I hope so A salute, to all the toy soldiers left to melt in the sun by those who would only dream of conquest.
IraqiFriendshipExplosive Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:13:00 - [85] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: There is only one true solution to this crisis we are facing. Tankers think we will stay still and they will enjoy the game in its current state for a long period before CCP even TRIES to fix something thats obviously broken. But I.... YOU wont let them. Tankers THINK we are stoopid.Unskilled.Unprepared and lack the balls to do something about it. Vehicle drivers think they will have the upper hand for a LONG PERIOD. They think we will get stomped and ignore them while we die fighting. But they forget that thanks to the ever present broken Vehicle Module we have a fighting chance. GÖªSo i invite you all to pick up a MLT LAV or BPO LAV and fill them with R/E. And just CRASH INTO THEM. CCP already annouced a fix for the ''Ban'' meassure while destroying your own equipment,so soon the Kamikaze Jihad LAVS will own the field. GÖªOr spend a minimal amount of SP (instead of leveling one of the NEW weapons all the way up to proto) into tanks. (remember, MLT Afterburner and HARDENERS) we can do more than what vehicle drivers have done for the past months...WHINE. We can and will. Let Tank514 begin for ALL of us. Let us make this problem VISIBLE to CCP,both in the forums and IN GAME. The game is in a sad state,where the team with the tankers with most SP will always win. Where is the balance? where is the LOGIC behind this? Is this a FPS or Twisted Metal/World of tanks with the only difference CCP put infantry there and gave them lots of stuff to make them THINK they have a chence so vehicle drivers can fun dropping them? I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today. Those who refuse to be stomped, those who refuse to leave the game, and for those who Want balance in Dust514, follow.... EDIT:''I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today.'' I didnt even have to spend SP into vehicles: GÖªSOMA GÖªArmor Hardeners MLT GÖªArmor repairer (default) GÖªMLT Active Scanner GÖªMLT Afterburner (AKA Jump gate) Bought 10 of them , only lost 1 in a night where i used them in 12 matches. Cheaper than a proto suit, more effective than a full squad.... Crashing suicide cheap cars full of explosives into tanks IS a VERY viable tactic! It worked on me twice today and I didn't see it coming both times. I am now more perceptive to this.
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 272	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:14:00 - [86] - Quote Apparently LAVs and Drop ships aren't vehicles.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3061	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:17:00 - [87] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Apparently LAVs and Drop ships aren't vehicles. Yeah,but they are not DIRECTLY the problem. Sure DS are now almost unkillable since they can take 3 Proto Breach FG shots to the face and leave to flee. And Swarms cant even effective lock on to them for more than 1 volley, but they are not a Direct threat to infantry as tanks are. LAV's are not being a problem at the moment because the VAST amount of tanks in the fiedl.Moving in an LAV is almost a guaranteed death unless you have a VERY well fitted one.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
The Attorney General 1632	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:17:00 - [88] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1st how should i know exactly what game are you talking about if you dont specify? 2nd I usually dont tower FG snipe. But i couldnt do squat no where else since i had Charge snipers on my head 24/7 3rd I really dont care what you think.The mere fact you think tanks are ''fine'' makes me realize you dont know balance. 4th. I wasnt even AV ing (if its the match im thinking, probably the one at manus peaks). I was covering B from the Roof. >..> Ashland, vs Molon Labe. They kept 3 tanks on the field pretty much the whole match. You were camping on the roof of the building overlooking C, doing nothing. Where did I say tanks are fine? I am perfectly open to more changes. In fact, I expect them over the next couple of months. It is the primary reason why I am laughing so hard at all the QQ. I said months ago when this was announced that it would take them a few patches to get things right. So there is no need for me to be trying to defend this or that beyond trolling the scrubs like you and Atiim. CCP will take their time, watch the numbers and see what might need adjusting. Vehicles are a work in progress, but none of you are patient. So keep freaking out, because no where have I seen a rational suggestion from the AV crew about how they want balance other than "roll back the changes", which is just stupid, because tanks are weaker now, so if they undid the nerf, then we would not only be back to OP AV, but it would be even worse. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3061	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:22:00 - [89] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Ashland, vs Molon Labe. They kept 3 tanks on the field pretty much the whole match. You were camping on the roof of the building overlooking C, doing nothing. Where did I say tanks are fine? I am perfectly open to more changes. In fact, I expect them over the next couple of months. It is the primary reason why I am laughing so hard at all the QQ. I said months ago when this was announced that it would take them a few patches to get things right. So there is no need for me to be trying to defend this or that beyond trolling the scrubs like you and Atiim. CCP will take their time, watch the numbers and see what might need adjusting. Vehicles are a work in progress, but none of you are patient. So keep freaking out, because no where have I seen a rational suggestion from the AV crew about how they want balance other than "roll back the changes", which is just stupid, because tanks are weaker now, so if they undid the nerf, then we would not only be back to OP AV, but it would be even worse. Ah , AT LAST you specify what game it was. AHAH doing nothing? i was shooting the tanks trying to box us in C, Shooting the Dudes trying to kill ME so i dont shoot their tanks, Killing dudes TAKING C.Plus i left 6+ uplinks and nanohives EVERYWHERE at the beginning of the match.I was trying to win,so much i did 4 suicide attempts and only 1 effective on...(with LAV + R/E).I did a LOT more than the rest of the team.... Sure. i couldnt do much because with a breach FG and with No support its not the best strategy, i'll give you that. But if i remember correctly, we got redlined in that game, so whatever you were doing,wasn't enough either.... Then, im not QQing, my main post is about SOLUTIONS. Tanks might be weaker now.(if by ''weapker you mean MLT hardeners that have 40% resistane and somas with 4000+ default armor , LOL) But AV was severly nerfed. swarms dont have range nor damage AV grenades are USELESS Forge guns are still KIND of ok, with tenough team support, but without it its just an annoyance to enemy tanks. PC is still bad IMO. The insult ''scrub'' does not affect me. I'm a player who has fought EVERYONE in full squads ALONE, and survive. I have pretty decent stats for a LONE player that never used Proto gear. And i have over 20mill Sp and enough experience in the game. So if you think im a scrub it does not offend me, since you obviously dont know the meaning of the word. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Heavy Salvo Fatal Absolution 136	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:26:00 - [90] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Ashland, vs Molon Labe. They kept 3 tanks on the field pretty much the whole match. You were camping on the roof of the building overlooking C, doing nothing. Where did I say tanks are fine? I am perfectly open to more changes. In fact, I expect them over the next couple of months. It is the primary reason why I am laughing so hard at all the QQ. I said months ago when this was announced that it would take them a few patches to get things right. So there is no need for me to be trying to defend this or that beyond trolling the scrubs like you and Atiim. CCP will take their time, watch the numbers and see what might need adjusting. Vehicles are a work in progress, but none of you are patient. So keep freaking out, because no where have I seen a rational suggestion from the AV crew about how they want balance other than "roll back the changes", which is just stupid, because tanks are weaker now, so if they undid the nerf, then we would not only be back to OP AV, but it would be even worse. Ah , AT LAST you specify what game it was. AHAH doing nothing? i was shooting the tanks trying to box us in C, Shooting the Dudes trying to kill ME so i dont shoot their tanks, Killing dudes TAKING C.Plus i left 6+ uplinks and nanohives EVERYWHERE at the beginning of the match. Sure. i couldnt do much because with a breach FG and with No support its not the best strategy, i'll give you that. But if i remember correctly, we got redlined in that game, so whatever you were doing,wasn't enough either.... Then, im not QQing, my main post is about SOLUTIONS. Tanks might be weaker now. But swarms dont have range nor damage AV grenades are USELESS Forge guns are still KIND of ok, with tenough team support, but without it its just an annoyance to enemy tanks. PC is still bad IMO. The insult ''scrub'' does not affect me. I'm a player who has fought EVERYONE in full squads ALONE, and survive. I have pretty decent stats for a LONE player that never used Proto gear. And i have over 20mill Sp and enough experience in the game. So if you think im a scrub it does not offend me, since you obviously dont know the meaning of the word. Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons A salute, to all the toy soldiers left to melt in the sun by those who would only dream of conquest.

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3061	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:27:00 - [91] - Quote Heavy Salvo wrote: Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
TYR CAINE Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:46:00 - [92] - Quote Did not read entire thing but has anyone mentioned limiting tanks on the field. Leave tanks as is(except warp drive, makes me sick to see a tank beat a LAV) Two tanks a side for an example. 16 a side and 4 tanks on one is really not a fun game to play(been on both side of the breach, dont like my side doing it ). It just cheapens the win and pisses people off
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3064	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:48:00 - [93] - Quote TYR CAINE wrote: Did not read entire thing but has anyone mentioned limiting tanks on the field. Leave tanks as is(except warp drive, makes me sick to see a tank beat a LAV) Two tanks a side for an example. 16 a side and 4 tanks on one is really not a fun game to play(been on both side of the breach, dont like my side doing it ). It just cheapens the win and pisses people off yes i have , MANY times before. on a 16 vs 16 player game. With the tanks as powerful and cheap as they are. limiting them to 2 per team wouldnt be a bad balancing step.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Jason Pearson 3303	Posted - 2013.12.13 00:55:00 - [94] - Quote Checkmate, as a vocal AVer, pls respond https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1602155 King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Heavy Salvo Fatal Absolution 137	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:11:00 - [95] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heavy Salvo wrote: Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad. uhm I believe you are missing my point Allow me to take you to school! The Breach Forge Gun Now lets begin with the pro to using this weapon, very very HIGH alpha damage, the CON to using it being the incredibly long charge times in place to counteract the high alpha damage associated with this weapon,utilizing the breach forge gun in combat situations may prove difficult unless wielded by an opportunistic predator whose play-style relies primarily on striking the final blow at the most opportune time in order to- 1.Minimize damage to the user 2.Stroke E-peen 3.lol at ensuing "WTF DID YOU HIT ME WITH" mail How to use the breach EFFECTIVELY without relying on support ....MUDA-DA....ehem...moving on! Last but not least the point to this post! You must remember that in all aspects of combat you must ADAPT to SURVIVE, there is no guaranteed strategy,there is no kill-all method and/or weapon, in order to excel in any combat situation you must first understand the strengths and weaknesses that you & you're chosen arsenal possess,much like the swarm launchers aversion to shields and its lust for the cold touch of armor and the plasma cannons failure to be viab...wait thats a terrible example...SCREW IT I'm hungry and my pizzas here and if you don't get the point by now well...I don't care anyway. A salute, to all the toy soldiers left to melt in the sun by those who would only dream of conquest.
Cosgar ParagonX 8591	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:14:00 - [96] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... Vehicles have been nerfed for almost 2 years. Besides, I've never seen AV users complaining about stuff like invisible swarms and forge guns being able to hide behind draw distance. Double standards, double standards everywhere! It's day 2 of 1.7 and my cup has overflown with tears. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3064	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:18:00 - [97] - Quote Heavy Salvo wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heavy Salvo wrote: Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad. uhm I believe you are missing my point Allow me to take you to school! The Breach Forge Gun Now lets begin with the pro to using this weapon, very very HIGH alpha damage, the CON to using it being the incredibly long charge times in place to counteract the high alpha damage associated with this weapon,utilizing the breach forge gun in combat situations may prove difficult unless wielded by an opportunistic predator whose play-style relies primarily on striking the final blow at the most opportune time in order to- 1.Minimize damage to the user 2.Stroke E-peen 3.lol at ensuing "WTF DID YOU HIT ME WITH" mail How to use the breach EFFECTIVELY without relying on support ....MUDA-DA....ehem...moving on! Last but not least the point to this post! You must remember that in all aspects of combat you must ADAPT to SURVIVE, there is no guaranteed strategy,there is no kill-all method and/or weapon, in order to excel in any combat situation you must first understand the strengths and weaknesses that you & you're chosen arsenal possess,much like the swarm launchers aversion to shields and its lust for the cold touch of armor and the plasma cannons failure to be viab...wait thats a terrible example...SCREW IT I'm hungry and my pizzas here and if you don't get the point by now well...I don't care anyway. Let me take you to school. People seem to forget that numbers dont mean the same as in battle effectiveness: 1-WHAT ALPHA DAMAGE? A breach FG needs at least 3 shots to drop a MLT tank. And this is a freakn PROTO FG. 2-You forgot the other ''little'' disadvantages of the Breach FG. Beinga heavy weapon im forced to USE a heavy suit. Also, i cant even move while charging it. 3-I know about adapting to survive.thats why i use tanks to counter tanks. It does not mean this is how it should be. 4-''there is no guaranteed strategy'' tanking is a pretty guaranteed strategy if you ask me. The only real counter being another tank. 5-Good thing you dont care,because i do not see what your point is. Tanks dont need strategy nor teamwork but i do. And please,i dont need a tanker saying how much teamplay they have when they always run their tanks solo and now they even can choose to NOT equip additional turrets, so tanks are a 1 man OP suit... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3064	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:19:00 - [98] - Quote Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... Vehicles have been nerfed for almost 2 years. Besides, I've never seen AV users complaining about stuff like invisible swarms and forge guns being able to hide behind draw distance. Double standards, double standards everywhere! It's day 2 of 1.7 and my cup has overflown with tears. Lies.I have said Multiple times that swarms should be visible, even getting as far as saying Tanks need to show on their radars the direction of the AVers. Of course, Tankers and vehicle drivers in general just remember whats convenient for them. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Cosgar ParagonX 8591	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:27:00 - [99] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... Vehicles have been nerfed for almost 2 years. Besides, I've never seen AV users complaining about stuff like invisible swarms and forge guns being able to hide behind draw distance. Double standards, double standards everywhere! It's day 2 of 1.7 and my cup has overflown with tears. Lies.I have said Multiple times that swarms should be visible, even getting as far as saying Tanks need to show on their radars the direction of the AVers. Of course, Tankers and vehicle drivers in general just remember whats convenient for them. Aside from beta and my stupidity in wasting SP on scout LAVs, I'm infantry lol. Tanks are easier to kill this patch than when CCP Blam! crippled them. You just have to wise up and get them when they're not glowing. One good tactic is to have one AV play footsie with one and another at the ready to cover any escape routes. It's not that hard, you just have to HTFU. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3065	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:36:00 - [100] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Aside from beta and my stupidity in wasting SP on scout LAVs, I'm infantry lol. Tanks are easier to kill this patch than when CCP Blam! crippled them. You just have to wise up and get them when they're not glowing. One good tactic is to have one AV play footsie with one and another at the ready to cover any escape routes. It's not that hard, you just have to HTFU. Its funny people still assume i dont know how to kil a tank. The problem is when they are not glowing, they are GONE. HOW CAN YOU SAY tanks are easier to kill this patch? wHAT game are you playing? A soma has 1000 shields nad 4000 ARMOR BY DEFAULT.They have infinite passive armor repairers and ALL AV weaponry has been nerfed. An you are still talking a lot of bs there about strategies and what not, i DONT WANT TO HAVE TO USE TEAMWORK if tanks dont need to use teamwork. You want me to use teamwork and play strategically? well ,i want the same for tanks then. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ

Heavy Salvo Fatal Absolution 137	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:41:00 - [101] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heavy Salvo wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heavy Salvo wrote: Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad. uhm I believe you are missing my point Allow me to take you to school! The Breach Forge Gun Now lets begin with the pro to using this weapon, very very HIGH alpha damage, the CON to using it being the incredibly long charge times in place to counteract the high alpha damage associated with this weapon,utilizing the breach forge gun in combat situations may prove difficult unless wielded by an opportunistic predator whose play-style relies primarily on striking the final blow at the most opportune time in order to- 1.Minimize damage to the user 2.Stroke E-peen 3.lol at ensuing "WTF DID YOU HIT ME WITH" mail How to use the breach EFFECTIVELY without relying on support ....MUDA-DA....ehem...moving on! Last but not least the point to this post! You must remember that in all aspects of combat you must ADAPT to SURVIVE, there is no guaranteed strategy,there is no kill-all method and/or weapon, in order to excel in any combat situation you must first understand the strengths and weaknesses that you & you're chosen arsenal possess,much like the swarm launchers aversion to shields and its lust for the cold touch of armor and the plasma cannons failure to be viab...wait thats a terrible example...SCREW IT I'm hungry and my pizzas here and if you don't get the point by now well...I don't care anyway. Let me take you to school. People seem to forget that numbers dont mean the same as in battle effectiveness: 1-WHAT ALPHA DAMAGE? A breach FG needs at least 3 shots to drop a MLT tank. And this is a freakn PROTO FG. 2-You forgot the other ''little'' disadvantages of the Breach FG. Beinga heavy weapon im forced to USE a heavy suit. Also, i cant even move while charging it. 3-I know about adapting to survive.thats why i use tanks to counter tanks. It does not mean this is how it should be. 4-''there is no guaranteed strategy'' tanking is a pretty guaranteed strategy if you ask me. The only real counter being another tank. 5-Good thing you dont care,because i do not see what your point is. Tanks dont need strategy nor teamwork but i do. And please,i dont need a tanker saying how much teamplay they have when they always run their tanks solo and now they even can choose to NOT equip additional turrets, so tanks are a 1 man OP suit... High alpha damage- Realistically speaking, this is what the Breach has, a higher BASE damage than any other handheld weapon of its kind. Being forced to use a HEAVY suit when using a HEAVY weapon is not a disadvantage inherent to the weapon itself and should not be looked at as such, you are using a tool of the Heavy dropsuit trade you should expect to be wearing a heavy dropsuit when doing so. alas points 1&2 require the same same response seeing as they are 1 in the same as originally intended, Tanking does not guarantee you kills, nor does it guarantee that you will live simply by being in one, likewise countering a tank with a tank does not mean you will kill it nor does it mean that you will survive the encounter IN THE SAME SITUATION we find AV, simply spawning with a proto-swarm launcher or a proto-forge does not guarantee you kills nor does it guarantee that you will survive, Firing a swarm-launcher at a shield tank because it worked on an armor tank does not mean the effect will mirror your previous encounter, trying to Kamikaze LAV a tank a 2nd time does not mean said tank will be as care-free in regards to you're approach as per you're previous encounter, using AV like you did in 1.6 does not mean it will work the same in 1.7, lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice, do you see what I'm getting at here? A salute, to all the toy soldiers left to melt in the sun by those who would only dream of conquest.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3066	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:44:00 - [102] - Quote Heavy Salvo wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heavy Salvo wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heavy Salvo wrote: Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad. uhm I believe you are missing my point Allow me to take you to school! The Breach Forge Gun Now lets begin with the pro to using this weapon, very very HIGH alpha damage, the CON to using it being the incredibly long charge times in place to counteract the high alpha damage associated with this weapon,utilizing the breach forge gun in combat situations may prove difficult unless wielded by an opportunistic predator whose play-style relies primarily on striking the final blow at the most opportune time in order to- 1.Minimize damage to the user 2.Stroke E-peen 3.lol at ensuing "WTF DID YOU HIT ME WITH" mail How to use the breach EFFECTIVELY without relying on support ....MUDA-DA....ehem...moving on! Last but not least the point to this post! You must remember that in all aspects of combat you must ADAPT to SURVIVE, there is no guaranteed strategy,there is no kill-all method and/or weapon, in order to excel in any combat situation you must first understand the strengths and weaknesses that you & you're chosen arsenal possess,much like the swarm launchers aversion to shields and its lust for the cold touch of armor and the plasma cannons failure to be viab...wait thats a terrible example...SCREW IT I'm hungry and my pizzas here and if you don't get the point by now well...I don't care anyway. Let me take you to school. People seem to forget that numbers dont mean the same as in battle effectiveness: 1-WHAT ALPHA DAMAGE? A breach FG needs at least 3 shots to drop a MLT tank. And this is a freakn PROTO FG. 2-You forgot the other ''little'' disadvantages of the Breach FG. Beinga heavy weapon im forced to USE a heavy suit. Also, i cant even move while charging it. 3-I know about adapting to survive.thats why i use tanks to counter tanks. It does not mean this is how it should be. 4-''there is no guaranteed strategy'' tanking is a pretty guaranteed strategy if you ask me. The only real counter being another tank. 5-Good thing you dont care,because i do not see what your point is. Tanks dont need strategy nor teamwork but i do. And please,i dont need a tanker saying how much teamplay they have when they always run their tanks solo and now they even can choose to NOT equip additional turrets, so tanks are a 1 man OP suit... High alpha damage- Realistically speaking, this is what the Breach has, a higher BASE damage than any other handheld weapon of its kind. Being forced to use a HEAVY suit when using a HEAVY weapon is not a disadvantage inherent to the weapon itself and should not be looked at as such, you are using a tool of the Heavy dropsuit trade you should expect to be wearing a heavy dropsuit when doing so. alas points 1&2 require the same same response seeing as they are 1 in the same as originally intended, Tanking does not guarantee you kills, nor does it guarantee that you will live simply by being in one, likewise countering a tank with a tank does not mean you will kill it nor does it mean that you will survive the encounter IN THE SAME SITUATION we find AV, simply spawning with a proto-swarm launcher or a proto-forge does not guarantee you kills nor does it guarantee that you will survive, Firing a swarm-launcher at a shield tank because it worked on an armor tank does not mean the effect will mirror your previous encounter, trying to Kamikaze LAV a tank a 2nd time does not mean said tank will be as care-free in regards to you're approach as per you're previous encounter, using AV like you did in 1.6 does not mean it will work the same in 1.7, lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice, do you see what I'm getting at here? my level of English is way too basic to understand that wall-o-text of gibberish. sorry.try again if interested. If not, neither am i. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Heavy Salvo Fatal Absolution 138	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:51:00 - [103] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Aside from beta and my stupidity in wasting SP on scout LAVs, I'm infantry lol. Tanks are easier to kill this patch than when CCP Blam! crippled them. You just have to wise up and get them when they're not glowing. One good tactic is to have one AV play footsie with one and another at the ready to cover any escape routes. It's not that hard, you just have to HTFU. Its funny people still assume i dont know how to kil a tank. The problem is when they are not glowing, they are GONE. HOW CAN YOU SAY tanks are easier to kill this patch? wHAT game are you playing? A soma has 1000 shields nad 4000 ARMOR BY DEFAULT.They have infinite passive armor repairers and ALL AV weaponry has been nerfed. An you are still talking a lot of bs there about strategies and what not, i DONT WANT TO HAVE TO USE TEAMWORK if tanks dont need to use teamwork. You want me to use teamwork and play strategically? well ,i want the same for tanks then. If we all got what we wanted I would still be a heavy, I would have a jetpack, and I would be speaking to you from the cockpit of the titan I launched myself into,broke into, and whose pilot I turned to red mist with my shield made out of shotguns all operated by a single trigger. But the reality is we don't all get what we want, and we never will. Understand that you do not appear to be looking at this unbiased from both sides of the spectrum and as such you're opinions will continue to remain invalid and you will continue to be treated like a child crying to mommy because you got a red car instead of a blue car. this post of yours is incredibly selfish, enjoy yourself or rather I know you will. A salute, to all the toy soldiers left to melt in the sun by those who would only dream of conquest.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3066	Posted - 2013.12.13 01:54:00 - [104] - Quote Heavy Salvo wrote: If we all got what we wanted I would still be a heavy, I would have a jetpack, and I would be speaking to you from the cockpit of the titan I launched myself into,broke into, and whose pilot I turned to red mist with my shield made out of shotguns all operated by a single trigger. But the reality is we don't all get what we want, and we never will. Understand that you do not appear to be looking at this unbiased from both sides of the spectrum and as such you're opinions will continue to remain invalid and you will continue to be treated like a child crying to mommy because you got a red car instead of a blue car. this post of yours is incredibly selfish, enjoy yourself or rather I know you will. So overall, you have nothing to say but try and make me look bad huh? sad Anyhow,. i am enjoying myself. Tanking is EZ mode and OP fun. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ


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