You have to have 12 people dancing ritualistically just as the moon passes overhead while an enemy tank shoots by (even without the bug, they are idiotically fast) then you all must call out to a different God while simultaneously firing your weapons, which will summon all players with REs equipped to throw them at the tank at the same time while chanting backwards in chinese the ancient hidden mantra of tank destruction.

This will weaken the tank 50%

speed is only 1 issue which is in our faces at the moment. wait till its fixed and the main issue will be that tanks and especially dropships are still almost indestructible. if 3 proto swarms with stacked damage mods cant take out a stationary dropship then something is wrong

there is a major issue with the fact av now has a tiny range compared to a map ceiling of over 1000m and on some maps the span is probably double if not more than that. but all vehicles can run effectively outside the ranges of all av making it all pretty much useless.

its a dropship.... the cargo is what's meant to be dangerous not the ship itself. the whole point is to get in fast...drop the cargo and leave, hence its called a dropship not a heavy bomber. its not meant to sit there hovering sniping at anything on the ground that moves while every piece of av on the ground is shooting at them doing little to no damage, that is if they can actually get in range.

i know of a few tankers who made do with the so called weak tank from before 1.7 yet dominated almost every game. i guess they are still happy because now they can do it without any risk off death. i also know of 1 who always ran with crew but now with the changes he could barely fit a tank of any use and if he even attempts to allow crew in his vehicle it puts him at a disadvantage to all other tanks who don't allow for crew. come to think of it last i saw of him was him trying to fit a tank and then he logged off. not seen him since.

Gotta love the guys who need a giant metal crutch to play a game and anything at all that can even hurt them turns eveyone who uses them into mouth breathers.

Why would anyone work with vehicles?

They currently require no teamwork, and when used solo can provide the same performance as a full squad.

They also require a full squad to destroy.

And I'll work with other pilots when they stop whining like COD B!tches when they can't go inside a vehicle solo and return with a score of 60/0 with no risk or skill whatsoever.

you know what? i am ******* sick of these discussions, all we see are the same ******* names bitching at each other over and over again, and each and every one of them on both sides of the AV vehicle divide just turns every single ******* balance thread into a pile of crappy insults and such one sided "balance" that the entire thread becomes worthless. so Checkmate, atiim, char, and every other ******* "vocal" member please just Shut The **** Up, and let us have a calm, rational, thought out, and most importantly, a productive conversation that the devs can use to help balance the game.

and on the note of balance, it is day ******* 2 of this update, both sides need time to get used to and explore options for their respective styles, what this means is that everyone needs to get used to the new active module system, and more importantly pay more attention to what their damage type is, for example if i'm in a shield dropship with a 60% hardener on, don't expect to get anywhere shooting me with swarms, the damage you do is so little i can actively ignore till the last 5 seconds of my activation time, then i pull back out of range. if there's a forge gun shooting me however, i still panic and get the hell out of there, though hugely reduced with hardeners on FGs still kill me pretty quick, hell two FGs in tandem will punch through my hardener so fast half the time i don't have time to activate my booster. so, use the correct damage type for the correct tank, its as simple as that. though i will admit swarms could probably do with a damage buff, i speak as a shield user though, so i don't know if that's appropriate compared to how they fair against armour vehicles.

as for tanks, they are currently bugged, as such any balance discussions about them will be worthless till he bug is fixed, this is due to the fact that they are bugged, they aren't working as they normally should, hence any balance attempts will be against the broken model, screwing over the intended one. that said some, such as jason pearson (a tanker btw) have suggested reducing tanks base speed, so that it takes longer to escape the danger zone, hence giving AV more time to shoot at it.

and please, can we just leave all the insults, drama, raging e-peens, superiority complexes at the door and attempt a useful, civil, and productive conversation?