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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
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Posted - 2013.12.13 00:27:00 -
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Heavy Salvo wrote:Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons
Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad.
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TYR CAINE
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.13 00:46:00 -
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Did not read entire thing but has anyone mentioned limiting tanks on the field. Leave tanks as is(except warp drive, makes me sick to see a tank beat a LAV) Two tanks a side for an example. 16 a side and 4 tanks on one is really not a fun game to play(been on both side of the breach, dont like my side doing it ). It just cheapens the win and pisses people off
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
3064
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Posted - 2013.12.13 00:48:00 -
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TYR CAINE wrote:Did not read entire thing but has anyone mentioned limiting tanks on the field. Leave tanks as is(except warp drive, makes me sick to see a tank beat a LAV) Two tanks a side for an example. 16 a side and 4 tanks on one is really not a fun game to play(been on both side of the breach, dont like my side doing it ). It just cheapens the win and pisses people off
yes i have , MANY times before. on a 16 vs 16 player game. With the tanks as powerful and cheap as they are. limiting them to 2 per team wouldnt be a bad balancing step....
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.13 00:55:00 -
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Checkmate, as a vocal AVer, pls respond https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1602155
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire
Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
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Heavy Salvo
Fatal Absolution
137
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:11:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Heavy Salvo wrote:Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad.
uhm I believe you are missing my point
Allow me to take you to school!
The Breach Forge Gun
Now lets begin with the pro to using this weapon, very very HIGH alpha damage, the CON to using it being the incredibly long charge times in place to counteract the high alpha damage associated with this weapon,utilizing the breach forge gun in combat situations may prove difficult unless wielded by an opportunistic predator whose play-style relies primarily on striking the final blow at the most opportune time in order to-
1.Minimize damage to the user 2.Stroke E-peen 3.lol at ensuing "WTF DID YOU HIT ME WITH" mail
How to use the breach EFFECTIVELY without relying on support
....MUDA-DA....ehem...moving on!
Last but not least the point to this post!
You must remember that in all aspects of combat you must ADAPT to SURVIVE, there is no guaranteed strategy,there is no kill-all method and/or weapon, in order to excel in any combat situation you must first understand the strengths and weaknesses that you & you're chosen arsenal possess,much like the swarm launchers aversion to shields and its lust for the cold touch of armor and the plasma cannons failure to be viab...wait thats a terrible example...SCREW IT I'm hungry and my pizzas here and if you don't get the point by now well...I don't care anyway.
A salute, to all the toy soldiers left to melt in the sun by those who would only dream of conquest.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8591
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:14:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... Vehicles have been nerfed for almost 2 years. Besides, I've never seen AV users complaining about stuff like invisible swarms and forge guns being able to hide behind draw distance. Double standards, double standards everywhere!
It's day 2 of 1.7 and my cup has overflown with tears.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
3064
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:18:00 -
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Heavy Salvo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Heavy Salvo wrote:Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad. uhm I believe you are missing my point Allow me to take you to school! The Breach Forge Gun Now lets begin with the pro to using this weapon, very very HIGH alpha damage, the CON to using it being the incredibly long charge times in place to counteract the high alpha damage associated with this weapon,utilizing the breach forge gun in combat situations may prove difficult unless wielded by an opportunistic predator whose play-style relies primarily on striking the final blow at the most opportune time in order to- 1.Minimize damage to the user 2.Stroke E-peen 3.lol at ensuing "WTF DID YOU HIT ME WITH" mail How to use the breach EFFECTIVELY without relying on support ....MUDA-DA....ehem...moving on! Last but not least the point to this post! You must remember that in all aspects of combat you must ADAPT to SURVIVE, there is no guaranteed strategy,there is no kill-all method and/or weapon, in order to excel in any combat situation you must first understand the strengths and weaknesses that you & you're chosen arsenal possess,much like the swarm launchers aversion to shields and its lust for the cold touch of armor and the plasma cannons failure to be viab...wait thats a terrible example...SCREW IT I'm hungry and my pizzas here and if you don't get the point by now well...I don't care anyway.
Let me take you to school. People seem to forget that numbers dont mean the same as in battle effectiveness: 1-WHAT ALPHA DAMAGE? A breach FG needs at least 3 shots to drop a MLT tank. And this is a freakn PROTO FG. 2-You forgot the other ''little'' disadvantages of the Breach FG. Beinga heavy weapon im forced to USE a heavy suit. Also, i cant even move while charging it. 3-I know about adapting to survive.thats why i use tanks to counter tanks. It does not mean this is how it should be. 4-''there is no guaranteed strategy'' tanking is a pretty guaranteed strategy if you ask me. The only real counter being another tank. 5-Good thing you dont care,because i do not see what your point is.
Tanks dont need strategy nor teamwork but i do. And please,i dont need a tanker saying how much teamplay they have when they always run their tanks solo and now they even can choose to NOT equip additional turrets, so tanks are a 1 man OP suit...
SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
3064
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:19:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... Vehicles have been nerfed for almost 2 years. Besides, I've never seen AV users complaining about stuff like invisible swarms and forge guns being able to hide behind draw distance. Double standards, double standards everywhere! It's day 2 of 1.7 and my cup has overflown with tears.
Lies.I have said Multiple times that swarms should be visible, even getting as far as saying Tanks need to show on their radars the direction of the AVers. Of course, Tankers and vehicle drivers in general just remember whats convenient for them.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8591
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:27:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart. Yeah why didnt VEHICLE DRIVERS/PILOTS do that instead of whining for months? Double standards.... Vehicles have been nerfed for almost 2 years. Besides, I've never seen AV users complaining about stuff like invisible swarms and forge guns being able to hide behind draw distance. Double standards, double standards everywhere! It's day 2 of 1.7 and my cup has overflown with tears. Lies.I have said Multiple times that swarms should be visible, even getting as far as saying Tanks need to show on their radars the direction of the AVers. Of course, Tankers and vehicle drivers in general just remember whats convenient for them. Aside from beta and my stupidity in wasting SP on scout LAVs, I'm infantry lol. Tanks are easier to kill this patch than when CCP Blam! crippled them. You just have to wise up and get them when they're not glowing. One good tactic is to have one AV play footsie with one and another at the ready to cover any escape routes. It's not that hard, you just have to HTFU.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
3065
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:36:00 -
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Cosgar wrote: Aside from beta and my stupidity in wasting SP on scout LAVs, I'm infantry lol. Tanks are easier to kill this patch than when CCP Blam! crippled them. You just have to wise up and get them when they're not glowing. One good tactic is to have one AV play footsie with one and another at the ready to cover any escape routes. It's not that hard, you just have to HTFU.
Its funny people still assume i dont know how to kil a tank.
The problem is when they are not glowing, they are GONE. HOW CAN YOU SAY tanks are easier to kill this patch? wHAT game are you playing? A soma has 1000 shields nad 4000 ARMOR BY DEFAULT.They have infinite passive armor repairers and ALL AV weaponry has been nerfed.
An you are still talking a lot of bs there about strategies and what not, i DONT WANT TO HAVE TO USE TEAMWORK if tanks dont need to use teamwork.
You want me to use teamwork and play strategically? well ,i want the same for tanks then.
SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
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Heavy Salvo
Fatal Absolution
137
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:41:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Heavy Salvo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Heavy Salvo wrote:Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad. uhm I believe you are missing my point Allow me to take you to school! The Breach Forge Gun Now lets begin with the pro to using this weapon, very very HIGH alpha damage, the CON to using it being the incredibly long charge times in place to counteract the high alpha damage associated with this weapon,utilizing the breach forge gun in combat situations may prove difficult unless wielded by an opportunistic predator whose play-style relies primarily on striking the final blow at the most opportune time in order to- 1.Minimize damage to the user 2.Stroke E-peen 3.lol at ensuing "WTF DID YOU HIT ME WITH" mail How to use the breach EFFECTIVELY without relying on support ....MUDA-DA....ehem...moving on! Last but not least the point to this post! You must remember that in all aspects of combat you must ADAPT to SURVIVE, there is no guaranteed strategy,there is no kill-all method and/or weapon, in order to excel in any combat situation you must first understand the strengths and weaknesses that you & you're chosen arsenal possess,much like the swarm launchers aversion to shields and its lust for the cold touch of armor and the plasma cannons failure to be viab...wait thats a terrible example...SCREW IT I'm hungry and my pizzas here and if you don't get the point by now well...I don't care anyway. Let me take you to school. People seem to forget that numbers dont mean the same as in battle effectiveness: 1-WHAT ALPHA DAMAGE? A breach FG needs at least 3 shots to drop a MLT tank. And this is a freakn PROTO FG. 2-You forgot the other ''little'' disadvantages of the Breach FG. Beinga heavy weapon im forced to USE a heavy suit. Also, i cant even move while charging it. 3-I know about adapting to survive.thats why i use tanks to counter tanks. It does not mean this is how it should be. 4-''there is no guaranteed strategy'' tanking is a pretty guaranteed strategy if you ask me. The only real counter being another tank. 5-Good thing you dont care,because i do not see what your point is.Tanks dont need strategy nor teamwork but i do. And please,i dont need a tanker saying how much teamplay they have when they always run their tanks solo and now they even can choose to NOT equip additional turrets, so tanks are a 1 man OP suit...
High alpha damage- Realistically speaking, this is what the Breach has, a higher BASE damage than any other handheld weapon of its kind. Being forced to use a HEAVY suit when using a HEAVY weapon is not a disadvantage inherent to the weapon itself and should not be looked at as such, you are using a tool of the Heavy dropsuit trade you should expect to be wearing a heavy dropsuit when doing so.
alas points 1&2 require the same same response seeing as they are 1 in the same as originally intended, Tanking does not guarantee you kills, nor does it guarantee that you will live simply by being in one, likewise countering a tank with a tank does not mean you will kill it nor does it mean that you will survive the encounter IN THE SAME SITUATION we find AV, simply spawning with a proto-swarm launcher or a proto-forge does not guarantee you kills nor does it guarantee that you will survive, Firing a swarm-launcher at a shield tank because it worked on an armor tank does not mean the effect will mirror your previous encounter, trying to Kamikaze LAV a tank a 2nd time does not mean said tank will be as care-free in regards to you're approach as per you're previous encounter, using AV like you did in 1.6 does not mean it will work the same in 1.7, lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice, do you see what I'm getting at here?
A salute, to all the toy soldiers left to melt in the sun by those who would only dream of conquest.
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
3066
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:44:00 -
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Heavy Salvo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Heavy Salvo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Heavy Salvo wrote:Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons Yup.because AV sucks and Tanks are OP. my bad. uhm I believe you are missing my point Allow me to take you to school! The Breach Forge Gun Now lets begin with the pro to using this weapon, very very HIGH alpha damage, the CON to using it being the incredibly long charge times in place to counteract the high alpha damage associated with this weapon,utilizing the breach forge gun in combat situations may prove difficult unless wielded by an opportunistic predator whose play-style relies primarily on striking the final blow at the most opportune time in order to- 1.Minimize damage to the user 2.Stroke E-peen 3.lol at ensuing "WTF DID YOU HIT ME WITH" mail How to use the breach EFFECTIVELY without relying on support ....MUDA-DA....ehem...moving on! Last but not least the point to this post! You must remember that in all aspects of combat you must ADAPT to SURVIVE, there is no guaranteed strategy,there is no kill-all method and/or weapon, in order to excel in any combat situation you must first understand the strengths and weaknesses that you & you're chosen arsenal possess,much like the swarm launchers aversion to shields and its lust for the cold touch of armor and the plasma cannons failure to be viab...wait thats a terrible example...SCREW IT I'm hungry and my pizzas here and if you don't get the point by now well...I don't care anyway. Let me take you to school. People seem to forget that numbers dont mean the same as in battle effectiveness: 1-WHAT ALPHA DAMAGE? A breach FG needs at least 3 shots to drop a MLT tank. And this is a freakn PROTO FG. 2-You forgot the other ''little'' disadvantages of the Breach FG. Beinga heavy weapon im forced to USE a heavy suit. Also, i cant even move while charging it. 3-I know about adapting to survive.thats why i use tanks to counter tanks. It does not mean this is how it should be. 4-''there is no guaranteed strategy'' tanking is a pretty guaranteed strategy if you ask me. The only real counter being another tank. 5-Good thing you dont care,because i do not see what your point is.Tanks dont need strategy nor teamwork but i do. And please,i dont need a tanker saying how much teamplay they have when they always run their tanks solo and now they even can choose to NOT equip additional turrets, so tanks are a 1 man OP suit... High alpha damage- Realistically speaking, this is what the Breach has, a higher BASE damage than any other handheld weapon of its kind. Being forced to use a HEAVY suit when using a HEAVY weapon is not a disadvantage inherent to the weapon itself and should not be looked at as such, you are using a tool of the Heavy dropsuit trade you should expect to be wearing a heavy dropsuit when doing so. alas points 1&2 require the same same response seeing as they are 1 in the same as originally intended, Tanking does not guarantee you kills, nor does it guarantee that you will live simply by being in one, likewise countering a tank with a tank does not mean you will kill it nor does it mean that you will survive the encounter IN THE SAME SITUATION we find AV, simply spawning with a proto-swarm launcher or a proto-forge does not guarantee you kills nor does it guarantee that you will survive, Firing a swarm-launcher at a shield tank because it worked on an armor tank does not mean the effect will mirror your previous encounter, trying to Kamikaze LAV a tank a 2nd time does not mean said tank will be as care-free in regards to you're approach as per you're previous encounter, using AV like you did in 1.6 does not mean it will work the same in 1.7, lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice, do you see what I'm getting at here?
my level of English is way too basic to understand that wall-o-text of gibberish. sorry.try again if interested. If not, neither am i.
SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
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Heavy Salvo
Fatal Absolution
138
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:51:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote: Aside from beta and my stupidity in wasting SP on scout LAVs, I'm infantry lol. Tanks are easier to kill this patch than when CCP Blam! crippled them. You just have to wise up and get them when they're not glowing. One good tactic is to have one AV play footsie with one and another at the ready to cover any escape routes. It's not that hard, you just have to HTFU.
Its funny people still assume i dont know how to kil a tank. The problem is when they are not glowing, they are GONE. HOW CAN YOU SAY tanks are easier to kill this patch? wHAT game are you playing? A soma has 1000 shields nad 4000 ARMOR BY DEFAULT.They have infinite passive armor repairers and ALL AV weaponry has been nerfed. An you are still talking a lot of bs there about strategies and what not, i DONT WANT TO HAVE TO USE TEAMWORK if tanks dont need to use teamwork. You want me to use teamwork and play strategically? well ,i want the same for tanks then.
If we all got what we wanted I would still be a heavy, I would have a jetpack, and I would be speaking to you from the cockpit of the titan I launched myself into,broke into, and whose pilot I turned to red mist with my shield made out of shotguns all operated by a single trigger.
But the reality is we don't all get what we want, and we never will.
Understand that you do not appear to be looking at this unbiased from both sides of the spectrum and as such you're opinions will continue to remain invalid and you will continue to be treated like a child crying to mommy because you got a red car instead of a blue car.
this post of yours is incredibly selfish, enjoy yourself or rather I know you will.
A salute, to all the toy soldiers left to melt in the sun by those who would only dream of conquest.
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
3066
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Posted - 2013.12.13 01:54:00 -
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Heavy Salvo wrote:
If we all got what we wanted I would still be a heavy, I would have a jetpack, and I would be speaking to you from the cockpit of the titan I launched myself into,broke into, and whose pilot I turned to red mist with my shield made out of shotguns all operated by a single trigger.
But the reality is we don't all get what we want, and we never will.
Understand that you do not appear to be looking at this unbiased from both sides of the spectrum and as such you're opinions will continue to remain invalid and you will continue to be treated like a child crying to mommy because you got a red car instead of a blue car.
this post of yours is incredibly selfish, enjoy yourself or rather I know you will.
So overall, you have nothing to say but try and make me look bad huh?
sad
Anyhow,. i am enjoying myself. Tanking is EZ mode and OP fun.
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