Why not work with vehicles. All this drama splits our community apart.

I honestly don't mind jihad lavs much, their fun to use/shoot at. You should also give it a few days so people can figure out av tactics, cause right now the same old stand on top of tower and shoot tank till it dies tactic doesnt work.

Also not every tanker whined mind you, just like only a minority of avers are whining right now. We were just having interesting discussions and giving out ideas. I also wouldnt pronounce myself much on "op" tanks before the mlt nitrous is fixed (cause it is ******* broken atm").

Seriously, why do you hate vehicles so much?

HEY, WE WANT BALANCE TOO!!!!!

Uh ok?

CCP will and has planned to actively tweak what they've released with this patch. It's really not that big a deal man.

Dropships have suffered a lot in the past, let them be. Besides, only a handfull of extremely skilled pilots can make them really dangerous

It's a refreshing change to whoever has the most gal logis. Don't forget quality > quantity, I took out on two tanks earlier and still won

They couldn't R*'s tank team was the closest thing to that and they had limited effectiveness due to the bad situation tanks were in,

We did but then yall would whine about us getting 30/0

Yes, but you can't fire at multipule LAVs.

When 6 Jihad Jeeps flank from all sides, you going down. End of story.

Sounds like we are back to chrome days, whoever has the most tanks wins, yay for whiny useless bastards who can only do anything with about 3 feet of steel between them and the guy with a gun bringing back their power houses.

Im in, I have 10 rail tanks ready!

New Logi suit with 3 RE and proto hive!

you know what? i am ******* sick of these discussions, all we see are the same ******* names bitching at each other over and over again, and each and every one of them on both sides of the AV vehicle divide just turns every single ******* balance thread into a pile of crappy insults and such one sided "balance" that the entire thread becomes worthless. so Checkmate, atiim, char, and every other ******* "vocal" member please just Shut The **** Up, and let us have a calm, rational, thought out, and most importantly, a productive conversation that the devs can use to help balance the game.

and on the note of balance, it is day ******* 2 of this update, both sides need time to get used to and explore options for their respective styles, what this means is that everyone needs to get used to the new active module system, and more importantly pay more attention to what their damage type is, for example if i'm in a shield dropship with a 60% hardener on, don't expect to get anywhere shooting me with swarms, the damage you do is so little i can actively ignore till the last 5 seconds of my activation time, then i pull back out of range. if there's a forge gun shooting me however, i still panic and get the hell out of there, though hugely reduced with hardeners on FGs still kill me pretty quick, hell two FGs in tandem will punch through my hardener so fast half the time i don't have time to activate my booster. so, use the correct damage type for the correct tank, its as simple as that. though i will admit swarms could probably do with a damage buff, i speak as a shield user though, so i don't know if that's appropriate compared to how they fair against armour vehicles.

as for tanks, they are currently bugged, as such any balance discussions about them will be worthless till he bug is fixed, this is due to the fact that they are bugged, they aren't working as they normally should, hence any balance attempts will be against the broken model, screwing over the intended one. that said some, such as jason pearson (a tanker btw) have suggested reducing tanks base speed, so that it takes longer to escape the danger zone, hence giving AV more time to shoot at it.

and please, can we just leave all the insults, drama, raging e-peens, superiority complexes at the door and attempt a useful, civil, and productive conversation?

You can't say tanks require no teamwork when you have never played one in a PC.

You put up a 30/0 in a PC against not garbage opposition and I will freely admit that tanks are OP.

Dumbest thing you have said in a while.

According to checkmate, the enemy will never field another tank, nor will they make an effort to destroy an enemy tank.

Sounds like someone has never played a PC.

I totally should have finished you off on the roof earlier. Too bad that sniper got you.

Whats funny is that I took out 4 tanks that round, while you did a whole bag of nothing. I was impressed.

I was on your team you daft fool.

I was running around hacking, throwing uplinks, and popping tanks.

You were perched on a roof like you were doing something and accomplishing f all.

You say tanks are OP, but you fight them like an idiot. I have now seen how you fight them, and am no longer surprised at how much you complain.

Apparently LAVs and Drop ships aren't vehicles.

Ashland, vs Molon Labe. They kept 3 tanks on the field pretty much the whole match.

You were camping on the roof of the building overlooking C, doing nothing.

Where did I say tanks are fine? I am perfectly open to more changes. In fact, I expect them over the next couple of months. It is the primary reason why I am laughing so hard at all the QQ.

I said months ago when this was announced that it would take them a few patches to get things right. So there is no need for me to be trying to defend this or that beyond trolling the scrubs like you and Atiim.

CCP will take their time, watch the numbers and see what might need adjusting. Vehicles are a work in progress, but none of you are patient.

So keep freaking out, because no where have I seen a rational suggestion from the AV crew about how they want balance other than "roll back the changes", which is just stupid, because tanks are weaker now, so if they undid the nerf, then we would not only be back to OP AV, but it would be even worse.

Just a tip but uhm if you're using a BREACH forge gun for AV or otherwise, you should NOT attempt things solo, you especially should not EXPECT to accomplish things solo with a BREACH forge gun, for some very obvious reasons

Did not read entire thing but has anyone mentioned limiting tanks on the field. Leave tanks as is(except warp drive, makes me sick to see a tank beat a LAV) Two tanks a side for an example. 16 a side and 4 tanks on one is really not a fun game to play(been on both side of the breach, dont like my side doing it ). It just cheapens the win and pisses people off

uhm I believe you are missing my point

Vehicles have been nerfed for almost 2 years. Besides, I've never seen AV users complaining about stuff like invisible swarms and forge guns being able to hide behind draw distance. Double standards, double standards everywhere!

It's day 2 of 1.7 and my cup has overflown with tears.

Aside from beta and my stupidity in wasting SP on scout LAVs, I'm infantry lol. Tanks are easier to kill this patch than when CCP Blam! crippled them. You just have to wise up and get them when they're not glowing. One good tactic is to have one AV play footsie with one and another at the ready to cover any escape routes. It's not that hard, you just have to HTFU.

High alpha damage- Realistically speaking, this is what the Breach has, a higher BASE damage than any other handheld weapon of its kind.
Being forced to use a HEAVY suit when using a HEAVY weapon is not a disadvantage inherent to the weapon itself and should not be looked at as such, you are using a tool of the Heavy dropsuit trade you should expect to be wearing a heavy dropsuit when doing so.

alas points 1&2 require the same same response seeing as they are 1 in the same as originally intended, Tanking does not guarantee you kills, nor does it guarantee that you will live simply by being in one, likewise countering a tank with a tank does not mean you will kill it nor does it mean that you will survive the encounter IN THE SAME SITUATION we find AV, simply spawning with a proto-swarm launcher or a proto-forge does not guarantee you kills nor does it guarantee that you will survive, Firing a swarm-launcher at a shield tank because it worked on an armor tank does not mean the effect will mirror your previous encounter, trying to Kamikaze LAV a tank a 2nd time does not mean said tank will be as care-free in regards to you're approach as per you're previous encounter, using AV like you did in 1.6 does not mean it will work the same in 1.7, lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice, do you see what I'm getting at here?

If we all got what we wanted I would still be a heavy, I would have a jetpack, and I would be speaking to you from the cockpit of the titan I launched myself into,broke into, and whose pilot I turned to red mist with my shield made out of shotguns all operated by a single trigger.

But the reality is we don't all get what we want, and we never will.

Understand that you do not appear to be looking at this unbiased from both sides of the spectrum and as such you're opinions will continue to remain invalid and you will continue to be treated like a child crying to mommy because you got a red car instead of a blue car.

this post of yours is incredibly selfish, enjoy yourself or rather I know you will.