Oh, shut up. You're in EoN, you've got a bunch of quality tankers there. Do they even know you spend so much time sh*t-talking their play style?

If you got easily soloed by AV back in 1.6, then you were doing it wrong. Get better.

Okay. Tell me what teamwork does a tank require. I went into a few matches yesterday and pulled out scores of 30/0 while I was a blueberry. How is that teamwork?

Rational conversations? Please, link one. All pilots have ever said was "Waahhh Wahh. I get OHK'd by MLT AV" "Waahhh Waaah, AV should require teamwork" "Waaah Waaaah. Vehicles shouldn't require teamwork". And insert more QQ here.

Sympathy. LOL. Infantry and AV ARE the community. What does DUST 514's revenue come from? Definitely not people buying AUR vehicles. We don't require sympathy because we are this community. We assign "sympathy". Pilots? They are a literal sub-section of this game's playerbase. For every 1 pilot there are 32 more people who are infantry.

This ain't Tank 514. And it is a First Person Shooter. Not vehicle simulator. Sorry

This is not our result. You haven't even seen us get started yet. And our true result will make you cry for 1.6.

Your claim and case is faulty General. And no Attorney will save the case.

Gotta love the guys who need a giant metal crutch to play a game and anything at all that can even hurt them turns eveyone who uses them into mouth breathers.

Not really.

Quantity>Quality. Why?

Because your vehicle cannot withstand a squad of Sicas firing Railguns into you. And even if you could, the most you can fire at is 3, so when you pop some I can just call in three more.

All in all, that would never cost me more than 400k.

GalLogis? At least I didn't have to be a Logi to kill a GalLogi.

Doesn't matter.

He isn't required to bend over and take it from EoN. He isn't EoN's prostitute.

If I was in EoN. (Never would even want to); I'd still "sh*t-talk" about their playstyle. Heck, I'd even do it in Corp & Alliance chat.

If you were half as manly as you are pretending to be, you would have done what real men do and gone and done a tour somewhere.

you know. lavs have more hp than RE's right. lavs have roughly.... i would 2k ehp. your RE has what 10?. so i can theritcally OHK your Lav by shooting your RE.
and your RE's are clearly visable markers on your LAV. so.

when i shoot the RE on your lav and blow it up. you know i get the kill rgiht. and my blaster shoots/tracks faster than you can get to me. soooooo. please continue to sucide at my blaster tank with your usless tatic.

and now hes trying to pull RL bs on people to validate his point, Lemme guess you were some kind of marine meat head, or some high ranking dude in the army. I highly doubt that I know quite a few people who have served and they don't try to use their military experience to validate anything, unless they were discharged, and well then they were just failures anyway.

I am not doing your work for you scrub.

You can go through my posting history, go back to the start of uprising, and see what I wrote.

You pulled a 30/0? Must have been fighting people who have the same abysmal level of AV skill as you do.

I would strongly advise you to go and see someone about that raging superiority complex you have going on. Going to cause you nothing but problems when you grow up.

you know what? i am ******* sick of these discussions, all we see are the same ******* names bitching at each other over and over again, and each and every one of them on both sides of the AV vehicle divide just turns every single ******* balance thread into a pile of crappy insults and such one sided "balance" that the entire thread becomes worthless. so Checkmate, atiim, char, and every other ******* "vocal" member please just Shut The **** Up, and let us have a calm, rational, thought out, and most importantly, a productive conversation that the devs can use to help balance the game.

and on the note of balance, it is day ******* 2 of this update, both sides need time to get used to and explore options for their respective styles, what this means is that everyone needs to get used to the new active module system, and more importantly pay more attention to what their damage type is, for example if i'm in a shield dropship with a 60% hardener on, don't expect to get anywhere shooting me with swarms, the damage you do is so little i can actively ignore till the last 5 seconds of my activation time, then i pull back out of range. if there's a forge gun shooting me however, i still panic and get the hell out of there, though hugely reduced with hardeners on FGs still kill me pretty quick, hell two FGs in tandem will punch through my hardener so fast half the time i don't have time to activate my booster. so, use the correct damage type for the correct tank, its as simple as that. though i will admit swarms could probably do with a damage buff, i speak as a shield user though, so i don't know if that's appropriate compared to how they fair against armour vehicles.

as for tanks, they are currently bugged, as such any balance discussions about them will be worthless till he bug is fixed, this is due to the fact that they are bugged, they aren't working as they normally should, hence any balance attempts will be against the broken model, screwing over the intended one. that said some, such as jason pearson (a tanker btw) have suggested reducing tanks base speed, so that it takes longer to escape the danger zone, hence giving AV more time to shoot at it.

and please, can we just leave all the insults, drama, raging e-peens, superiority complexes at the door and attempt a useful, civil, and productive conversation?

You aren't doing work (not that HAV pilots ever have). Tanks require no teamwork whatsoever. I've been using tanks for over half a year. And I can truly say, Tankers do not require teamwork, nor want to require teamwork to be successful.

I went 30/0 by doing nothing but spamming R1 and running to a Supply depot when I was running low or when my hardners were about to die. It is very easy in fact. So much easier than me running even ARs.

AV? For half the match they were waiting for my hardners to die. I simply ran like a cheetah when my hardners were about to give up. I only had a "near" close call once when my hardners died and they dropped an OB on me. But it's a good thing I had some NOS. And I wasn't even using the bugged MLT one, but the non bugged basic one.

You can't say tanks require no teamwork when you have never played one in a PC.

You put up a 30/0 in a PC against not garbage opposition and I will freely admit that tanks are OP.

If you cannot go 20/0 or better in a PC with a tank its not the tankers fault but the team you are playing with for not taking out the enemy (plus Avers) with the advantage of having a tank.

And even if you cannot reach the 30's im pretty sure you can easily die 0 times in a PC match as it is...

You can't say tanks require no teamwork when you have never played one in a PC.

You put up a 30/0 in a PC against not garbage opposition and I will freely admit that tanks are OP.

Dumbest thing you have said in a while.

According to checkmate, the enemy will never field another tank, nor will they make an effort to destroy an enemy tank.

Sounds like someone has never played a PC.

I totally should have finished you off on the roof earlier. Too bad that sniper got you.

Whats funny is that I took out 4 tanks that round, while you did a whole bag of nothing. I was impressed.

Why would anyone work with vehicles?

They currently require no teamwork, and when used solo can provide the same performance as a full squad.

They also require a full squad to destroy.

And I'll work with other pilots when they stop whining like COD B!tches when they can't go inside a vehicle solo and return with a score of 60/0 with no risk or skill whatsoever.

Exactly, because i had 4 snipers on me, and you were protected by your team.
Because my Breach forge gun is so crappy that by the time the second shot is charged the enemy tank either fleed or is at full HP again.


Of course in P they will try to destroy a tank. Nothing prevents me from:
a) Defeat the other tank
b) Flee

There is nothing the enemy can do about it.

Another wrong assumption. I've played PC and still do sometimes.

But I am taking gbghg's suggestion. When you want to create a calm and reasonable suggestion, then we can talk.

Until then, having fun spraying hot air.

you know. lavs have more hp than RE's right. lavs have roughly.... i would 2k ehp. your RE has what 10?. so i can theritcally OHK your Lav by shooting your RE.
and your RE's are clearly visable markers on your LAV. so.

when i shoot the RE on your lav and blow it up. you know i get the kill rgiht. and my blaster shoots/tracks faster than you can get to me. soooooo. please continue to sucide at my blaster tank with your usless tatic.

I was on your team you daft fool.

I was running around hacking, throwing uplinks, and popping tanks.

You were perched on a roof like you were doing something and accomplishing f all.

You say tanks are OP, but you fight them like an idiot. I have now seen how you fight them, and am no longer surprised at how much you complain.

you know what? i am ******* sick of these discussions, all we see are the same ******* names bitching at each other over and over again, and each and every one of them on both sides of the AV vehicle divide just turns every single ******* balance thread into a pile of crappy insults and such one sided "balance" that the entire thread becomes worthless. so Checkmate, atiim, char, and every other ******* "vocal" member please just Shut The **** Up, and let us have a calm, rational, thought out, and most importantly, a productive conversation that the devs can use to help balance the game.

and on the note of balance, it is day ******* 2 of this update, both sides need time to get used to and explore options for their respective styles, what this means is that everyone needs to get used to the new active module system, and more importantly pay more attention to what their damage type is, for example if i'm in a shield dropship with a 60% hardener on, don't expect to get anywhere shooting me with swarms, the damage you do is so little i can actively ignore till the last 5 seconds of my activation time, then i pull back out of range. if there's a forge gun shooting me however, i still panic and get the hell out of there, though hugely reduced with hardeners on FGs still kill me pretty quick, hell two FGs in tandem will punch through my hardener so fast half the time i don't have time to activate my booster. so, use the correct damage type for the correct tank, its as simple as that. though i will admit swarms could probably do with a damage buff, i speak as a shield user though, so i don't know if that's appropriate compared to how they fair against armour vehicles.

as for tanks, they are currently bugged, as such any balance discussions about them will be worthless till he bug is fixed, this is due to the fact that they are bugged, they aren't working as they normally should, hence any balance attempts will be against the broken model, screwing over the intended one. that said some, such as jason pearson (a tanker btw) have suggested reducing tanks base speed, so that it takes longer to escape the danger zone, hence giving AV more time to shoot at it.

and please, can we just leave all the insults, drama, raging e-peens, superiority complexes at the door and attempt a useful, civil, and productive conversation?

I am not doing your work for you scrub.

You can go through my posting history, go back to the start of uprising, and see what I wrote.

You pulled a 30/0? Must have been fighting people who have the same abysmal level of AV skill as you do.

I would strongly advise you to go and see someone about that raging superiority complex you have going on. Going to cause you nothing but problems when you grow up.

There is only one true solution to this crisis we are facing.
Tankers think we will stay still and they will enjoy the game in its current state for a long period before CCP even TRIES to fix something thats obviously broken.

But I.... YOU wont let them.

Tankers THINK we are stoopid.Unskilled.Unprepared and lack the balls to do something about it.
Vehicle drivers think they will have the upper hand for a LONG PERIOD.
They think we will get stomped and ignore them while we die fighting.
But they forget that thanks to the ever present broken Vehicle Module we have a fighting chance.


GÖªSo i invite you all to pick up a MLT LAV or BPO LAV and fill them with R/E. And just CRASH INTO THEM.
CCP already annouced a fix for the ''Ban'' meassure while destroying your own equipment,so soon the Kamikaze Jihad LAVS will own the field.
GÖªOr spend a minimal amount of SP (instead of leveling one of the NEW weapons all the way up to proto) into tanks.
(remember, MLT Afterburner and HARDENERS)

we can do more than what vehicle drivers have done for the past months...WHINE.
We can and will.

Let Tank514 begin for ALL of us.
Let us make this problem VISIBLE to CCP,both in the forums and IN GAME.

The game is in a sad state,where the team with the tankers with most SP will always win.
Where is the balance?
where is the LOGIC behind this?
Is this a FPS or Twisted Metal/World of tanks with the only difference CCP put infantry there and gave them lots of stuff to make them THINK they have a chence so vehicle drivers can fun dropping them?

I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today.
Those who refuse to be stomped, those who refuse to leave the game, and for those who Want balance in Dust514, follow....

EDIT:''I will make the first move, while spending a good 1+ mill into tanks as per today.''

I didnt even have to spend SP into vehicles:
GÖªSOMA
GÖªArmor Hardeners MLT
GÖªArmor repairer (default)
GÖªMLT Active Scanner
GÖªMLT Afterburner (AKA Jump gate)
Bought 10 of them , only lost 1 in a night where i used them in 12 matches.
Cheaper than a proto suit, more effective than a full squad....

Apparently LAVs and Drop ships aren't vehicles.

Ashland, vs Molon Labe. They kept 3 tanks on the field pretty much the whole match.

You were camping on the roof of the building overlooking C, doing nothing.

Where did I say tanks are fine? I am perfectly open to more changes. In fact, I expect them over the next couple of months. It is the primary reason why I am laughing so hard at all the QQ.

I said months ago when this was announced that it would take them a few patches to get things right. So there is no need for me to be trying to defend this or that beyond trolling the scrubs like you and Atiim.

CCP will take their time, watch the numbers and see what might need adjusting. Vehicles are a work in progress, but none of you are patient.

So keep freaking out, because no where have I seen a rational suggestion from the AV crew about how they want balance other than "roll back the changes", which is just stupid, because tanks are weaker now, so if they undid the nerf, then we would not only be back to OP AV, but it would be even worse.

Ah , AT LAST you specify what game it was.
AHAH doing nothing? i was shooting the tanks trying to box us in C, Shooting the Dudes trying to kill ME so i dont shoot their tanks, Killing dudes TAKING C.Plus i left 6+ uplinks and nanohives EVERYWHERE at the beginning of the match.

Sure. i couldnt do much because with a breach FG and with No support its not the best strategy, i'll give you that.
But if i remember correctly, we got redlined in that game, so whatever you were doing,wasn't enough either....

Then, im not QQing, my main post is about SOLUTIONS.

Tanks might be weaker now.
But swarms dont have range nor damage
AV grenades are USELESS
Forge guns are still KIND of ok, with tenough team support, but without it its just an annoyance to enemy tanks.
PC is still bad IMO.

The insult ''scrub'' does not affect me. I'm a player who has fought EVERYONE in full squads ALONE, and survive. I have pretty decent stats for a LONE player that never used Proto gear. And i have over 20mill Sp and enough experience in the game. So if you think im a scrub it does not offend me, since you obviously dont know the meaning of the word.