12 RE's, One LAV, One Supply Depot, Suit-swapping = one hilariously destroyed tank

Hey! Didn't you read the dev blog?

I don't think they support infantry assaults anymore - I believe the infantry support the vehicle assaults.

Vehicle capacitors. Balance them around cap.

more fun to drive

This has effectively transformed an INFANTRY based game into a VEHICLE based game,

This was never an infantry-only or vehicle-only game. That kind of mindset poisoned the whole playerbase, and led to the near lifetime of nerfs that tanks suffered.

Also, how is it unfair to force you to take out AV? That's a childish thing to say.

This was never an infantry-only or vehicle-only game. That kind of mindset poisoned the whole playerbase, and led to the near lifetime of nerfs that tanks suffered.

Also, how is it unfair to force you to take out AV? That's a childish thing to say.

Even surprising a tank with none of its modules available and no retreat, they can still survive me bearing down upon them with a militia fit. It's ridiculous.

I just played a domination in which a madrugar rolled around the field with impunity. Its armour lasted long enough to retreat from anything thrown at it. The only time it was destroyed was when two Sicas were used to physically pin it in place, and even then it often just mounted them and carried on regardless.

This was never an infantry-only or vehicle-only game. That kind of mindset poisoned the whole playerbase, and led to the near lifetime of nerfs that tanks suffered.

Also, how is it unfair to force you to take out AV? That's a childish thing to say.

Wait maybe I am reading this wrong but are you complaining you couldn't solo a tank in a milita fit?

I destroyed a tank last night. Well that's not entirely true - WE destroyed a tank, all six of us, including another tank. It took 4 players with swarms to get the tank to retreat, and by chance a Forge gunner was on the other side of the bridge firing with a clear line of sight on the retreating tank, and even after this, a blueberry tank gave chase and managed to finish it off. Six people - one tank.

First of all, this seems like a high ratio of AV / Tank.

If we start looking at numbers:

- opposing team deploys a tank -> you deploy 4 AV (assuming they are coordinated and well equipped)
OR you deploy a tank of equal strength

- opposing team deploys two tanks -> you deploy 8 AV (if they are to be countered simultaneously)
OR you deploy two tanks

Naturally, the side fielding AV now has a reduced anti-infantry capacity. To level this, they can either deploy tanks OR not deploy AV at all - but thereby losing their anti-vehicle capacity, leaving an unstoppable anti-infantry machine roaming the map faster than any infantry can cover.

What this has done has created a type of zero-sum game: If I can deploy more vehicles than you, then I have the advantage on the field.

So now my side races to deploy as many vehicles as is allowed before you can deploy yours, and capitalize on those gains with the massive speed these provide (I can transport small numbers of infantry too, which will be used for capturing objectives if necessary, but now the infantry are peripheral to the action).

This has effectively transformed an INFANTRY based game into a VEHICLE based game, which it isn't or else there would be no limit on the number of vehicles we could deploy and also the terrain isn't entirely optimised for vehicles (numerous indoor areas, although last night I saw creative driving that put them in areas they previously could not go).

It's clear the current situation isn't optimal. Admiringly, the community has come up with a sandbox solution to a design issue - attaching RE's to LAV's and using these as missiles. It's pretty inspiring to see people try it, but it's very touch and go (tank just speeds out of the way, LAV gets destroyed, etc.) Having said that, I think it shows there is a disparity when people are creating their own AV solutions when those that are exclusively meant to destroy vehicles just simply do not work.

I'll leave the community to suggest solutions that don't swing the pendulum back to the other extreme -> one man Anti-vehicle killing machines... this is not ideal either. I feel we haven't found the sweet spot yet, but feel free to suggest your fixes.

Keep it constructive please. :)

I love how we don't have webs yet

I don't want to add more fuel to the flames right now but the changes have improved dust much more than any other point release to date, if I were to explain this with new eden logic (which I must because some of you are still unfamilliar with it) would look like this:

Let's take scout suits as frigs, lightest suits in the game that would make assaults,logis cruisers and heavies battlecruisers.

With the current skillset and modules vehicles in Dust resemble capitals in eve than anything else; different skills that affect differnt modules , separate command and core skills and vice versa, but the HAVs in dust seem to be like battleships now more than ever, the closed beta vets will remember the surya and the sagaris , they were supposed to have siege mods, but it was more like the bastion mod in the 'marauders' in EVE(!).

So you are saying than it is hard for you to take out a battleship/dread with inferior gear and tactics and claim that it is wrong somehow; this is in no way a personal attack but if you think you can take out a target several leagues above you without thought nor tactics you are gravely mistaken.

To, perhaps make it easier to deal with tanks, get a tank of your own.
It will make life much better for you, unless you have not a notion of how different vehicles are to dropsuits and their different pros and cons don't incite discussions absent purpose.

If you have a proper reason to why you are right please let me know.

BROKEN!

There is no balance with vehicles at all anymore. I say anymore because with the previous changes to SL you could at least make a tank run for cover with a pair (2) of AVers. Now its an impossibility!

Likewise with DS having to be hovering over an installation for you to be able to reach them with a strike.

CHRIST! I'll take a single fire PlsmCannon that will target 250m if it'll lock, and hit a tank/DS for 3000. Give me a 5 sec reload to keep it "balanced" if you have to.

In the real world a $3,000 rocket launcher can kill a $1,000,000 jet or armor. If there's an economy at work sell us hardware that'll kill what we're aiming at!

Upset your crutch doesn't work as well anymore? Maybe you should squad with a competent tanker.

I know, especially when a militia tank can solo proto suits that cost more than it ALL DAY LONG.

I don't want to add more fuel to the flames right now but the changes have improved dust much more than any other point release to date, if I were to explain this with new eden logic (which I must because some of you are still unfamilliar with it) would look like this:

Let's take scout suits as frigs, lightest suits in the game that would make assaults,logis cruisers and heavies battlecruisers.

With the current skillset and modules vehicles in Dust resemble capitals in eve than anything else; different skills that affect differnt modules , separate command and core skills and vice versa, but the HAVs in dust seem to be like battleships now more than ever, the closed beta vets will remember the surya and the sagaris , they were supposed to have siege mods, but it was more like the bastion mod in the 'marauders' in EVE(!).

So you are saying than it is hard for you to take out a battleship/dread with inferior gear and tactics and claim that it is wrong somehow; this is in no way a personal attack but if you think you can take out a target several leagues above you without thought nor tactics you are gravely mistaken.

To, perhaps make it easier to deal with tanks, get a tank of your own.
It will make life much better for you, unless you have not a notion of how different vehicles are to dropsuits and their different pros and cons don't incite discussions absent purpose.

If you have a proper reason to why you are right please let me know.

I mentioned this several times, as long a tank can be piloted by a single guy a single guy with AV should be able to hold a tank off otherwise you create artificial number advantage for the team with more tanks. this will turn the game into tanks 514 sooner or later. no one cared, only CoD kids responded with troll answers.

and to clear things up, pre patch tanks were not soloable in reasonable timeframe when driven by a nonscrub. the problem was that AV scaled too fast compared to tanks. tanks required massive SP investments to shine while you could skill up AV with damage mods in a week. tanks maybe lacked a slight hp boost to survive initial bursts of damage, thats it. I and several other people posted the math several times how long it takes to down a SP maxed tank with proper fit solo pre patch months ago and the question is, what was the tank driver doing in those 20 to 30 seconds while being shot by a single guy? masturbating? tank whines only serve a single thing, highlight which player is just bad at tank driving.

I am suprised that the devs went live with those changes, now we have tanks twice as tough, as fast as LAVs and AV that deals 30% less damage you have the complete opposite to before, and it is certain that history will repeat, sooner or later tanks will get nerfed again. I will just watch and again collect the tears from bad tank drivers.

and has anyone actually be able to kill a dropship with a pilot that is not afk masturbating with swarms now? just saying.