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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:09:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Medic 1879 wrote: Hell yesterday I solo'd a Madrugar in a 59k swarm fit, do you want to know how? I watched it for a few seconds and as soon as the hardeners went down I started blapping it, TACTICs FTW! I bet the tanker was annoyed that he got solo'd by a much cheaper fit so its a 2 way street.
so you beat a bad tank driver that was currently masturbating and thus mentally not able to use his speed to get cover shortly before his hardeners ran out? seems like a a gud argument
No I ambushed a well fit tank that was doing very well in the game with a glass cannon AV fit with proto swarms and complex damage mods, I purposefully waited for the tank to be in an area where is speed advantage was largely nullified by lack of room to maneuver.
Yes the tank's speed is absolutely ridiculous right now but it is still possible to solo high end tanks if you use your brain.
TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
187
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:09:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Justicar Karnellia wrote:
This has effectively transformed an INFANTRY based game into a VEHICLE based game,
This was never an infantry-only or vehicle-only game. That kind of mindset poisoned the whole playerbase, and led to the near lifetime of nerfs that tanks suffered. Also, how is it unfair to force you to take out AV? That's a childish thing to say.
oh no you don't, while you are right, this isn't a vehicle or infantry game, OP is spot on saying that tanks as they are turning this into a vehicle game. not to mention that the op is saying that a well coordinated full squad is required to have a CHANCE to take down a tank driven by one man, and you are telling him off for bitching about fighting tanks??? hell the OP states that he doesn't want it to be one person with AV to take down tank and you call him childish look in the ******* mirror. |
Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:09:00 -
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*waves honeyed lamb about desperately for CCP wolfman* |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:10:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:the AR is above all other small arms in all categories the good thing about the forum is that arguments like this highlight all the bad players with zero credibility What makes you think I'm a bad player? I never said you are, but you are doing it by yourself with such comments And what's wrong with my comments?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
104
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote: Can vehicles hack objectives?
I can play this too
Can infantry travel at 1000km/h ? Can infantry be immune to tank rounds while out in the open? Can infantry solo squads of tanks? Can infantry swap suits to save isk ANYWHERE ON THE BATTLEFIELD?
I love your signature, it is hilarious because thats exactly what you want for tanks.
Tanks require no teamwork to destroy squads, but squads require teamwork and positioning to destroy a single tank. |
George Moros
Area 514
214
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote: What's wrong with a tank being its own best counter?
He already answered that question: if the only effective counter to a tank is another tank, DUST will soon turn in to World of Tanks (in space!).
I'm no expert in vehicles, but based on a few matches I played yesterday, after 1.7 was deployed, I too get the impression tanks are OP now. Every match I played, the team that deployed (more) tanks won. When I first saw a Madrugar speeding at, what looked like 200 MPH, I though this was some issue with lag. Also, I read here on the forums that tanks are now considerably cheaper than before. If this is true, it will only further aggravate the problem. Not good.
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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Bhor Derri
Legion of Eden Covert Intervention
139
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Chesyre Armundsen wrote:How about an AV fit that costs the same ISK and SP as a comparable HAV and CAN kill it?
Anyone? I would be perfectly fine with an AV fit that was immune to tank fire, and could quite easily solo 6-7 tanks at once, that cost alot, that would also get absolutely owned by infantry. Thats because I am all about balance, something most tankers couldn't give a crap about. You have no valid points and you're blinded by illogical rage.
Did he just .... Well he is right we need a gun that fires 20000rpm , deals 250dmg and has infinite ammo |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:11:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Justicar Karnellia wrote:
This has effectively transformed an INFANTRY based game into a VEHICLE based game,
This was never an infantry-only or vehicle-only game. That kind of mindset poisoned the whole playerbase, and led to the near lifetime of nerfs that tanks suffered. Also, how is it unfair to force you to take out AV? That's a childish thing to say. oh no you don't, while you are right, this isn't a vehicle or infantry game, OP is spot on saying that tanks as they are turning this into a vehicle game. not to mention that the op is saying that a well coordinated full squad is required to have a CHANCE to take down a tank driven by one man, and you are telling him off for bitching about fighting tanks??? hell the OP states that he doesn't want it to be one person with AV to take down tank and you call him childish look in the ******* mirror. Amazing how infantry isn't happy with the vehicle change they forced on CCP.
GO TO CALL OF DUTY ALREADY!
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:13:00 -
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George Moros wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote: What's wrong with a tank being its own best counter?
He already answered that question: if the only effective counter to a tank is another tank, DUST will soon turn in to World of Tanks (in space!). I'm no expert in vehicles, but based on a few matches I played yesterday, after 1.7 was deployed, I too get the impression tanks are OP now. Every match I played, the team that deployed (more) tanks won. When I first saw a Madrugar speeding at, what looked like 200 MPH, I though this was some issue with lag. Also, I read here on the forums that tanks are now considerably cheaper than before. If this is true, it will only further aggravate the problem. Not good. If you have 4 competent tankers on each side, they're ignoring infantry and going after each other. Unless they decide on a truce beforehand and troll each other's teams by getting in the way of AV.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
831
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:15:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:the AR is above all other small arms in all categories the good thing about the forum is that arguments like this highlight all the bad players with zero credibility What makes you think I'm a bad player? I never said you are, but you are doing it by yourself with such comments And what's wrong with my comments?
everyone and their mother already pointed out what is wrong with it in this thread.
thanks for admitting that you dont even bother to properly read what others wrote, your can say goodbye to your credibility forever troll |
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Bhor Derri
Legion of Eden Covert Intervention
139
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:15:00 -
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This is unbelieveable take the option to camp on top of a tower fire away blindly and destroy vehicles and make them use some logic and you get insta QQ.
Just HTFU already |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:18:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:everyone and their mother already pointed out what is wrong with it in this thread. thanks for admitting that you dont even bother to properly read what others wrote, your can say goodbye to your credibility forever Because what other people post is insane.
Nuclear baseballs? Mining equipment more powerful than a gun that has a range measured in miles? Homing AV that still has rendering issues?
I know who's biased, and it's not us.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1391
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:20:00 -
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Also based on my experiences yesterday I hardly ever saw anyone switch to swarms when tanks appeared, in 1.6 the second a tank appeared people would switch to proto swarms thinking oh goody 150WP (I did this as well) yesterday I have seen very few people switch to AV now this could be due to a few reasons, maybe people are too busy playing with the new rifles to switch to AV, or people have seen the swarm nerf and decided swarms are useless now and don't even try.
TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:23:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Also based on my experiences yesterday I hardly ever saw anyone switch to swarms when tanks appeared, in 1.6 the second a tank appeared people would switch to proto swarms thinking oh goody 150WP (I did this as well) yesterday I have seen very few people switch to AV now this could be due to a few reasons, maybe people are too busy playing with the new rifles to switch to AV, or people have seen the swarm nerf and decided swarms are useless now and don't even try.
I admit I'm always one of the first to pull out AV whenever I see a tank/dropship, but by the end of last night I moved on into "not my problem" territory and just let the tank do its thing while I busied myself elsewhere with things I could actually kill. Like I said, the only kill of the night was the one described in the very first post , and it seemed more out of luck than any co-ordination.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
106
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:25:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Jack McReady wrote:everyone and their mother already pointed out what is wrong with it in this thread. thanks for admitting that you dont even bother to properly read what others wrote, your can say goodbye to your credibility forever Because what other people post is insane. Nuclear baseballs? Mining equipment more powerful than a gun that has a range measured in miles? Homing AV that still has rendering issues? I know who's biased, and it's not us.
Seriously?
Ok so what do you think: Are tanks op now? Should tanks not require teamwork to use, but require tons of teamwork to counter? Should tanks have a counter (please for the love of god don't say tanks are the counter to tanks)?
Your answers to these questions would prove how biased or not you are.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:28:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Jack McReady wrote:everyone and their mother already pointed out what is wrong with it in this thread. thanks for admitting that you dont even bother to properly read what others wrote, your can say goodbye to your credibility forever Because what other people post is insane. Nuclear baseballs? Mining equipment more powerful than a gun that has a range measured in miles? Homing AV that still has rendering issues? I know who's biased, and it's not us. Seriously? Ok so what do you think: Are tanks op now? Should tanks not require teamwork to use, but require tons of teamwork to counter? Should tanks have a counter (please for the love of god don't say tanks are the counter to tanks)? Your answers to these questions would prove how biased or not you are. None of you ever provide a reason as to why tanks shouldn't be their own best counter. What should CCP balance this game on? Ambush? Or Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest? Should they balance this on the thought that each team will have tanks, or that one team will have 5 and the other none, plus no AV, and make them weak accordingly?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:31:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Jack McReady wrote:everyone and their mother already pointed out what is wrong with it in this thread. thanks for admitting that you dont even bother to properly read what others wrote, your can say goodbye to your credibility forever Because what other people post is insane. Nuclear baseballs? Mining equipment more powerful than a gun that has a range measured in miles? Homing AV that still has rendering issues? I know who's biased, and it's not us. Seriously? Ok so what do you think: Are tanks op now? Should tanks not require teamwork to use, but require tons of teamwork to counter? Should tanks have a counter (please for the love of god don't say tanks are the counter to tanks)? Your answers to these questions would prove how biased or not you are. None of you ever provide a reason as to why tanks shouldn't be their own best counter. What should CCP balance this game on? Ambush? Or Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest? Should they balance this on the thought that each team will have tanks, or that one team will have 5 and the other none, plus no AV, and make them weak accordingly?
Actually I think many posters did this - If the tank is best counter against another tank, then this will mean everyone will bring out as many tanks as possible (keeping in mind a tank can also destroy any and all type of infantry, regardless of fit, bar none). I don't believe this is in the best interests of the game, do you?
(try and keep it constructive)
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
107
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:34:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Jack McReady wrote:everyone and their mother already pointed out what is wrong with it in this thread. thanks for admitting that you dont even bother to properly read what others wrote, your can say goodbye to your credibility forever Because what other people post is insane. Nuclear baseballs? Mining equipment more powerful than a gun that has a range measured in miles? Homing AV that still has rendering issues? I know who's biased, and it's not us. Seriously? Ok so what do you think: Are tanks op now? Should tanks not require teamwork to use, but require tons of teamwork to counter? Should tanks have a counter (please for the love of god don't say tanks are the counter to tanks)? Your answers to these questions would prove how biased or not you are. None of you ever provide a reason as to why tanks shouldn't be their own best counter. What should CCP balance this game on? Ambush? Or Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest? Should they balance this on the thought that each team will have tanks, or that one team will have 5 and the other none, plus no AV, and make them weak accordingly?
Yes we have:
If one choice is clearly superior, it stiffles gameplay. Why choose anything else when one option is superior. You know all of the bitching about the ARs? Same stuff here, why use anything else?
You just refuse to acknowledge it. It breaks the rock/paper/scissors mold that games require for varied gameplay styles.
Let me phrase it another way. If something is it's own best counter... it doesn't have a counter.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:41:00 -
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Justicar Karnellia wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Jack McReady wrote:everyone and their mother already pointed out what is wrong with it in this thread. thanks for admitting that you dont even bother to properly read what others wrote, your can say goodbye to your credibility forever Because what other people post is insane. Nuclear baseballs? Mining equipment more powerful than a gun that has a range measured in miles? Homing AV that still has rendering issues? I know who's biased, and it's not us. Seriously? Ok so what do you think: Are tanks op now? Should tanks not require teamwork to use, but require tons of teamwork to counter? Should tanks have a counter (please for the love of god don't say tanks are the counter to tanks)? Your answers to these questions would prove how biased or not you are. None of you ever provide a reason as to why tanks shouldn't be their own best counter. What should CCP balance this game on? Ambush? Or Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest? Should they balance this on the thought that each team will have tanks, or that one team will have 5 and the other none, plus no AV, and make them weak accordingly? Actually I think many posters did this - If the tank is best counter against another tank, then this will mean everyone will bring out as many tanks as possible (keeping in mind a tank can also destroy any and all type of infantry, regardless of fit, bar none). I don't believe this is in the best interests of the game, do you? (try and keep it constructive) How is it a bad thing?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Bhor Derri
Legion of Eden Covert Intervention
140
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:45:00 -
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Oh please stop with all that Rock Paper Scissors bullshi* , the only purpose it serves is dumbing the game down, whenever QQers like you DEMAND a nerf the cult classic phrase comes in; "it should be like rock paper scissors."
No it should not be like that at all however I'm no fan of FOTM but it should be much more complex than that , that's what dust offered that's what separates dust from other lobby shooters though dust shouldn't even be called a lobby shooter. |
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:48:00 -
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Seriously?
Ok so what do you think: Are tanks op now? Should tanks not require teamwork to use, but require tons of teamwork to counter? Should tanks have a counter (please for the love of god don't say tanks are the counter to tanks)?
Your answers to these questions would prove how biased or not you are. [/quote] None of you ever provide a reason as to why tanks shouldn't be their own best counter. What should CCP balance this game on? Ambush? Or Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest? Should they balance this on the thought that each team will have tanks, or that one team will have 5 and the other none, plus no AV, and make them weak accordingly?[/quote]
Actually I think many posters did this - If the tank is best counter against another tank, then this will mean everyone will bring out as many tanks as possible (keeping in mind a tank can also destroy any and all type of infantry, regardless of fit, bar none). I don't believe this is in the best interests of the game, do you?
(try and keep it constructive)
[/quote] How is it a bad thing?[/quote]
You mean there is no problem with a tank that can kill everything in the game and can not be countered by anything else, apart from another tank?
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:49:00 -
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Bhor Derri wrote:Oh please stop with all that Rock Paper Scissors bullshi* , the only purpose it serves is dumbing the game down, whenever QQers like you DEMAND a nerf the cult classic phrase comes in; "it should be like rock paper scissors."
No it should not be like that at all however I'm no fan of FOTM but it should be much more complex than that , that's what dust offered that's what separates dust from other lobby shooters though dust shouldn't even be called a lobby shooter. If it's main way of pitting people against each other is matchmaking, then it's not a lobby shooter.
SOCOM was a lobby shooter.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
108
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:49:00 -
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Bhor Derri wrote:Oh please stop with all that Rock Paper Scissors bullshi* , the only purpose it serves is dumbing the game down, whenever QQers like you DEMAND a nerf the cult classic phrase comes in; "it should be like rock paper scissors."
No it should not be like that at all however I'm no fan of FOTM but it should be much more complex than that , that's what dust offered that's what separates dust from other lobby shooters though dust shouldn't even be called a lobby shooter.
You do realize that rock/paper/scissors is an analogy meaning that everything should have a counter right? That is actually the exact opposite of dumbing something down. Complex games require that there is no "best" style, otherwise you have a game for mouthbreathers.
It doesn't mean boil down the gameplay to 3 things. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:52:00 -
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Justicar Karnellia wrote:Seriously?
Ok so what do you think: Are tanks op now? Should tanks not require teamwork to use, but require tons of teamwork to counter? Should tanks have a counter (please for the love of god don't say tanks are the counter to tanks)?
Your answers to these questions would prove how biased or not you are.
None of you ever provide a reason as to why tanks shouldn't be their own best counter. What should CCP balance this game on? Ambush? Or Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest? Should they balance this on the thought that each team will have tanks, or that one team will have 5 and the other none, plus no AV, and make them weak accordingly?[/quote]
Actually I think many posters did this - If the tank is best counter against another tank, then this will mean everyone will bring out as many tanks as possible (keeping in mind a tank can also destroy any and all type of infantry, regardless of fit, bar none). I don't believe this is in the best interests of the game, do you?
(try and keep it constructive)
[/quote] How is it a bad thing?[/quote]
You mean there is no problem with a tank that can kill everything in the game and can not be countered by anything else, apart from another tank?
[/quote] You're not a tanker so you wouldn't understand.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:54:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Justicar Karnellia wrote:Seriously?
Ok so what do you think: Are tanks op now? Should tanks not require teamwork to use, but require tons of teamwork to counter? Should tanks have a counter (please for the love of god don't say tanks are the counter to tanks)?
Your answers to these questions would prove how biased or not you are.
None of you ever provide a reason as to why tanks shouldn't be their own best counter. What should CCP balance this game on? Ambush? Or Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest? Should they balance this on the thought that each team will have tanks, or that one team will have 5 and the other none, plus no AV, and make them weak accordingly?
Actually I think many posters did this - If the tank is best counter against another tank, then this will mean everyone will bring out as many tanks as possible (keeping in mind a tank can also destroy any and all type of infantry, regardless of fit, bar none). I don't believe this is in the best interests of the game, do you?
(try and keep it constructive)
[/quote] How is it a bad thing?[/quote]
You mean there is no problem with a tank that can kill everything in the game and can not be countered by anything else, apart from another tank?
[/quote] You're not a tanker so you wouldn't understand.[/quote]
Tha'ts not really a coherent reply, but you've posted enough so we understand your position. thanks.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
108
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Posted - 2013.12.11 10:54:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote: You're not a tanker so you wouldn't understand.
Thats the biggest line of crap you could have possibly laid down. Obviously a troll. Translation: "Your right and I am wrong but I am not going to admit it." |
Bhor Derri
Legion of Eden Covert Intervention
140
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Posted - 2013.12.11 11:00:00 -
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Ok let me get something clear...
1-AV is capable of killing tanks , it's just you who can't (got 2 tank kills with my plasma cannon) 2- Swarms are spam capable once I've seen 40 something missiles in the air killed 2 tanks that were next to a supply depot 3-If you are not using the range advantge of forges an just getting in to a knife fight to kill a tank chuck norris style you are doing it wrong 4-Stay indoors, most maps have the majority of objectives indoors (excluding Ambush) 5-Use your legs! Tanks have tracks , they might be fast but not as agile have you ever seen a tank trying to turn around? Battlefield has a similiar setup tanks are fast much faster than you think (See blitzkrieg and real tanks i.e. M1A1) 6-Patience, do you think tanking is just an easy win button? Unlike infantry vehicles actually need to manage modules. Figure the rest. 7-Coordination, tanks do require coordination judging by the fact that you can't get on other teams comms you don't know don't talk s**t about things you don't know.
-Peace
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1464
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Posted - 2013.12.11 11:01:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote: You're not a tanker so you wouldn't understand.
Thats the biggest line of crap you could have possibly laid down. Obviously a troll. Translation: "Your right and I am wrong but I am not going to admit it." I don't troll on here, people get me banned because I hurt their feelings.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
341
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Posted - 2013.12.11 11:16:00 -
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The game is obviously broken as it is. Tanks are not only extremely hard to kill for infantry, but also extremely hard to avoid due to the ridiculous speed increase.
It's true that you can suicide tanks with an LAV and REs. But when good players are aiming to die at most twice per ambush it's unreasonable to expect them to throw a life away just to counter a zero gungame scrub in their easy mode, dirt cheap killing machine. Not saying that all tankers fit that description, many are great players, but the fact is even a noob can dominate in a tank at the moment.
We need a hotfix to nerf either tank speed or HP, probably both. Otherwise infantry are going to stop playing in large numbers. |
Bhor Derri
Legion of Eden Covert Intervention
141
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Posted - 2013.12.11 11:21:00 -
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Scrubs are the people who care too much about their K/D , has ego problems and confuse dust for just another lobby shooter , I think their exodus from dust would be a positive.
But then again not all people who have k/d is a scrub , majority of them are. |
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