Let's see... you're complaining that MLT costs less than PRO?

I just came out of a match where I killed about 3 tanks by myself. A 4th tank was taken out easily with the help of someone else.

Heavy suit , 2 complex heavy damage mods and a militia forge gun. 3 shots and those tanks die easily.

I guess I could have been very lucky with the module timings but I was hidden away popping up where they least expected me.

Maybe 1 person in a tank should be countered by 1 person in an anti-tank role.

1 tank can take out a squad of infantry easily, with little to no fear for its own safety because that is it's role.

Lets keep that logic shall we....

1 AVer should be able to take out a squad of tanks, with little or no fear for its own safety because that is it's role.

Make AV'ers immune to tanks!

I don't want to add more fuel to the flames right now but the changes have improved dust much more than any other point release to date, if I were to explain this with new eden logic (which I must because some of you are still unfamilliar with it) would look like this:

Let's take scout suits as frigs, lightest suits in the game that would make assaults,logis cruisers and heavies battlecruisers.

With the current skillset and modules vehicles in Dust resemble capitals in eve than anything else; different skills that affect differnt modules , separate command and core skills and vice versa, but the HAVs in dust seem to be like battleships now more than ever, the closed beta vets will remember the surya and the sagaris , they were supposed to have siege mods, but it was more like the bastion mod in the 'marauders' in EVE(!).

So you are saying than it is hard for you to take out a battleship/dread with inferior gear and tactics and claim that it is wrong somehow; this is in no way a personal attack but if you think you can take out a target several leagues above you without thought nor tactics you are gravely mistaken.

To, perhaps make it easier to deal with tanks, get a tank of your own.
It will make life much better for you, unless you have not a notion of how different vehicles are to dropsuits and their different pros and cons don't incite discussions absent purpose.

If you have a proper reason to why you are right please let me know.

Man you are thick.

ISK is not a balancing force for gear. CCP knows this all to well from the supercapital debacle in eve.

How nice of you to ignore the rest of the post.

Pics or it didn't happen

Or, like I said, you could squad with a tanker. Are you really suggesting that AV have the HP of a CRU?

I know, especially when a militia tank can solo proto suits that cost more than it ALL DAY LONG.

I just came out of a match where I killed about 3 tanks by myself. A 4th tank was taken out easily with the help of someone else.

Heavy suit , 2 complex heavy damage mods and a militia forge gun. 3 shots and those tanks die easily.

I guess I could have been very lucky with the module timings but I was hidden away popping up where they least expected me.

Do you know what I do when a MLT tank tries to kill me all the time either 1. Get killed by it, respawn away from it and notify all AV and tankers to its location allowing them to kill or run it off or 2. Survive get in cover and notify all AV and tankers to its location allowing them to kill or run it off.

Hell yesterday I solo'd a Madrugar in a 59k swarm fit, do you want to know how? I watched it for a few seconds and as soon as the hardeners went down I started blapping it, TACTICs FTW! I bet the tanker was annoyed that he got solo'd by a much cheaper fit so its a 2 way street.

Hell yesterday I solo'd a Madrugar in a 59k swarm fit, do you want to know how? I watched it for a few seconds and as soon as the hardeners went down I started blapping it, TACTICs FTW! I bet the tanker was annoyed that he got solo'd by a much cheaper fit so its a 2 way street.

you are clearly missing the point.

also your points are null and void because:
1. you are comparing a f2p lobby shooter to a player driven MMO
2. even a frigate can solo a battleship in eve
3. Battleships are not immune to frigates, cruisers, or battlecruisers
4. Battleships are not faster than frigates, cruisers, or battlecruisers
5. Battleships have an incredibly difficult time hitting frigates and fast cruisers
6. Battleships are incredibly slow moving and turning
7. as already mentioned, as long as a tank requires only 1 pilot a single suit with AV should be able to hold it off (note hold off not kill) otherwise dust will turn into world of tanks sooner or later when the best counter to tanks is a tank. the player bringing AV already is a small disadvantage to the team, beside vehicles he cannot deal with anything else effectively beyond 15m range and inside this sidearms optimal he still does less DPS than dedicated rifles. the tank driver gives up nothing, he basically wears a second suit with more EHP, immunity to the majority of weapons, more speed, damage, range and can deal with everyone.

I dont know if you were playing after the patch, but it is already happening, one team brings 3+ tanks, other teams dedicated AV players try to counter with AV with low outcome cause the tanks are too tough and can evade everything with their new speed. the risk vs. reward for the guy with AV is out of proportion. as a consequence people bring their own tanks to counter tanks or try to suicide bomb them with remote explosives.

if you do not understand this BASIC balance problem then you simply have zero credibility. Limiting the game to "bring out a tank to counter a tank" is a surefire way to kill this game. I am also sure history will repeat and CCP will realize the changes was too much and nerf tanks here and there. I will just watch and again collect all the tank driver tears when this happens.

Obviously not.

Tanks are immune to small arms.

Make AV immune to large arms.

Get this, tanks should not be the counter to tanks. This is the very basis for balanced gameplay. 1 role CANNOT be above the rest.

1 person should be strong against one thing and weak against another. Infantry are strong against AV, but weak against tanks. Tanks are strong against..... well everything. That is not balance.

the AR is above all other small arms in all categories

What's wrong with a tank being its own best counter?

I'm hoping this was designed with webs in mind and hopefully they're being worked on and deployed into the game soon enough. Those things could play a major part in AV tactics.

Then you have a game where only tanks get deployed... its not Tanks 514

the good thing about the forum is that arguments like this highlight all the bad players with zero credibility

Get this, this isn't Call of Duty: Space Edition. If you want no vehicles, go play Call of Duty.

Guess what.................. the AR is above all other small arms in all categories, except for range, in which only the sniper rifle has it beat.

Whats wrong with infantry being their own best counter?

Whats wrong with AV being their own best counter?

Whats wrong with the assault rifle being it's own best counter?

You can spot the pattern right? Variation in gameplay suffers when one role is the defacto best. Being it's own counter (i.e. nothing else will beat it) limits gameplay and makes for a boring game.

Then you have a game where only tanks get deployed... its not Tanks 514

How about an AV fit that costs the same ISK and SP as a comparable HAV and CAN kill it?

Anyone?

What???

So.... ARs can be destroyed from range by the laser, scrambler, combat rifle, sniper rifle, rail rifle, and forge gun. Of course the AR does impede on the CQC weapons too much for my liking.

I want vehicles very much, but I want them to be scissors: strong against paper, but weak against rock. You want this to be tanks 514.

If you want tanks > all, go play world of tanks.

What makes you think I'm a bad player?

I would be perfectly fine with an AV fit that was immune to tank fire, and could quite easily solo 6-7 tanks at once, that cost alot, that would also get absolutely owned by infantry. Thats because I am all about balance, something most tankers couldn't give a crap about.