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SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 548	Posted - 2013.12.05 00:03:00 - [1] - Quote Passive scan is neat, but for most suits it's stupidly small. Except for scouts, except since it isn't shared with the squad, it's not so useful (scouts being squishy etc) If scouts could share scan results with their squad, then 1. it would encourage them to fit range extenders and/or precision amps in some situations (up from 'never') 2. They would find a role separate from 'lolscouts just use active scanner', since they don't let reds know they turned up on scan 3. They would reclaim the equipment slot that may have been an active scanner 4. scout suits actually have a scouting bonus Discuss. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 140	Posted - 2013.12.05 00:05:00 - [2] - Quote Message from Godin: You already know my answer
Draco Cerberus Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 563	Posted - 2013.12.05 00:15:00 - [3] - Quote Scouts can share scans if they do it like everyone else Logi God in the Flesh
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 548	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:23:00 - [4] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: You already know my answer Yeah, Godin was quite supportive of this idea on IRC. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 29	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:16:00 - [5] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Passive scan is neat, but for most suits it's stupidly small. Except for scouts, except since it isn't shared with the squad, it's not so useful (scouts being squishy etc) If scouts could share scan results with their squad, then 1. it would encourage them to fit range extenders and/or precision amps in some situations (up from 'never') 2. They would find a role separate from 'lolscouts just use active scanner', since they don't let reds know they turned up on scan 3. They would reclaim the equipment slot that may have been an active scanner 4. scout suits actually have a scouting bonus Discuss. Add in Intel kill assist points. Also, show the squad those I'm tracking in my sights for the same effect. This is what scouts do, gather Intel and give it to those that need it. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 549	Posted - 2013.12.05 03:36:00 - [6] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Add in Intel kill assist points. Also, show the squad those I'm tracking in my sights for the same effect. This is what scouts do, gather Intel and give it to those that need it. That is a good idea and you should feel good. (edit: not 100% sure about intel assists just for looking at someone, but definitely intel assists for passive scanning) "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 245	Posted - 2013.12.05 06:05:00 - [7] - Quote All suits should share passive scans in my opinion. Scouts would just be better at it.
Draco Cerberus Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 564	Posted - 2013.12.05 06:13:00 - [8] - Quote So I can ditch my active scanner that I dumped SP into and waste a slot on most suits for? No I don't think so, scouts can share scan data if they just do like the rest of us, whip out a scanner and spin in a circle so everyone can see that flashlight bobbing, there should be some risk involved. Logi God in the Flesh
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 549	Posted - 2013.12.05 06:17:00 - [9] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: So I can ditch my active scanner that I dumped SP into and waste a slot on most suits for? No I don't think so, scouts can share scan data if they just do like the rest of us, whip out a scanner and spin in a circle so everyone can see that flashlight bobbing, there should be some risk involved. Yeah I'm not seeing much risk in doing a 360 from 150m away, compared to getting within 35m of the enemy wearing a suit with no HP. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 470	Posted - 2013.12.05 12:18:00 - [10] - Quote Except you coud fit a proto scout with complex precision enhancers/range amplifiers and get 100m passive scan range with 30db scan fidelity, then sit in a tank and act as passive scanner for anyone in the range of your minimap, all the while farming intel assists from kills.

SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 551	Posted - 2013.12.05 13:08:00 - [11] - Quote Not that passive scans would work inside a tank, but that's not actually any worse than an active scanner now. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 245	Posted - 2013.12.05 13:57:00 - [12] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Except you coud fit a proto scout with complex precision enhancers/range amplifiers and get 100m passive scan range with 30db scan fidelity, then sit in a tank and act as passive scanner for anyone in the range of your minimap, all the while farming intel assists from kills. This could be an issue. Just turn off passive scans while in a vehicle though. I'm not sure whether you should get scan assists for passive scanning though. It probably wouldn't be game breaking so it could just be tried out and then turned off/tweaked if it doesn't work right.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 38	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:25:00 - [13] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Except you coud fit a proto scout with complex precision enhancers/range amplifiers and get 100m passive scan range with 30db scan fidelity, then sit in a tank and act as passive scanner for anyone in the range of your minimap, all the while farming intel assists from kills. This could be an issue. Just turn off passive scans while in a vehicle though. I'm not sure whether you should get scan assists for passive scanning though. It probably wouldn't be game breaking so it could just be tried out and then turned off/tweaked if it doesn't work right. I agree it would have to be watched closely and have a patch on standby to turn off the wps if need be. Being inside of vehicles should not scan as well. @sana: If a gallente scout (the only scout that could fit there suit the way you mentioned) did this, their combat efficiency would be null. I don't see a problem with this. A logistics can be a human vending machine spamming a whole map and have a massive pool of hps. The scout at least has a trade off for doing passive scans extremely well (little hps and little damage). When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 38	Posted - 2013.12.05 21:33:00 - [14] - Quote As far as the down the scope was, I don't see this as an issue. I personally use a sniper rifle , and spotting enemies in my scope should relay that information to my squad. This also reduces my chances of scoring a kill myself. It is better that my squad knows they are being flanked, but a little compensation for the information should be rewarded. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Sargon Akkadi Ordus Trismegistus 20	Posted - 2013.12.05 23:22:00 - [15] - Quote Scouts haring passive scan would certainly give them a very defined role advantage on the field. Sharing target scan would be really useful as well. I even think just sharing target scan would be an interesting compromise: Scouts as Spotters. I think the Intel Assist awards may be a bit much on passive scanning, although (in a hypothetical "target scan sharing" scenario) it could be an "active" WP award if it comes from spotting (target scan sharing). Again, in that scenario giving the award only if the target is currently "spotted" for a "confirmed kill". Just brainstorming, though, still an open mind here.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 100	Posted - 2013.12.06 01:15:00 - [16] - Quote Where i love this idea, it would be a bad thing and people would shout nerf again from the hills. My scan range is like...31 or something like that now that I have range amp maxed on my scout. And my precision will detect quite a bit unless your heavily dampened. Combine that with a complex range amp and your never leaving radar from me being a passive hunter. Idk, good idea in theory but in application this could get us nerfed when we really need buffs Dedicated scout. Player bodyguard Pistol supremacy.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 556	Posted - 2013.12.06 01:22:00 - [17] - Quote People would really shout nerf that scouts are OP for scouting? "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 42	Posted - 2013.12.06 01:30:00 - [18] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Where i love this idea, it would be a bad thing and people would shout nerf again from the hills. My scan range is like...31 or something like that now that I have range amp maxed on my scout. And my precision will detect quite a bit unless your heavily dampened. Combine that with a complex range amp and your never leaving radar from me being a passive hunter. Idk, good idea in theory but in application this could get us nerfed when we really need buffs You must be joking. With your suit layout to achieve what you said, would be like 3 rounds from most weapons. Now squad scan is down, you a death, and easy wps for the person that killed you. How in the frack can than be op? How could any cry about this being op be considered serious? When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3975	Posted - 2013.12.06 02:11:00 - [19] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Passive scan is neat, but for most suits it's stupidly small. Except for scouts, except since it isn't shared with the squad, it's not so useful (scouts being squishy etc) If scouts could share scan results with their squad, then 1. it would encourage them to fit range extenders and/or precision amps in some situations (up from 'never') 2. They would find a role separate from 'lolscouts just use active scanner', since they don't let reds know they turned up on scan 3. They would reclaim the equipment slot that may have been an active scanner 4. scout suits actually have a scouting bonus Discuss. Add to that being able to use the Active Scanner for the entire team. If you do both of those, they'd have a far better defined role. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 556	Posted - 2013.12.06 05:58:00 - [20] - Quote Quote: 15:45[CCP]Wolfman >the scout scan sharing is an interesting idea 15:45[CCP]Wolfman >ill nention it to remnant Fingers crossed. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace

SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 562	Posted - 2013.12.06 06:45:00 - [21] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: As far as the down the scope was, I don't see this as an issue. I personally use a sniper rifle , and spotting enemies in my scope should relay that information to my squad. This also reduces my chances of scoring a kill myself. It is better that my squad knows they are being flanked, but a little compensation for the information should be rewarded. This would encourage scout snipers (most snipers at the moment are logi or heavy just for the HP, so this would be a nice perk for the light frames) "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 562	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:28:00 - [22] - Quote In fact, isn't the sniper starter suit a light frame? "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 190	Posted - 2013.12.06 23:51:00 - [23] - Quote Ummm...we already discussed this over in the scout registry a while back, and I think the general consensus was concern about our stealth going to **** because there's likely to be a gaggle of mercs closing on your position, and alerting whoever you might be stalking. So, if this was implemented, for the love of scouts, allow us to disable or enable it, or somehow press a button that shares the data when we decide we want to. The last thing I want is one or more non-dampened, non-stealthy, AR-toting team-mates running gung-ho to the target(s) I'm stalking, alerting them and most likely giving away my position.
Cass Caul 447	Posted - 2013.12.07 00:27:00 - [24] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: In fact, isn't the sniper starter suit a light frame? In the earlier releases it was the Recon fitting, and more later the Arbiter. The 4 Archetype roles no longer exist. the Sniper [STARTER FIT] is your race's MLT Medium Frame with a MLT Sniper Rifle. And in Chromosome the Sniper [STARTER FIT] was a MLT Assault suit with a MLT Sniper Rifle +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 47	Posted - 2013.12.07 00:39:00 - [25] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Ummm...we already discussed this over in the scout registry a while back, and I think the general consensus was concern about our stealth going to **** because there's likely to be a gaggle of mercs closing on your position, and alerting whoever you might be stalking. So, if this was implemented, for the love of scouts, allow us to disable or enable it, or somehow press a button that shares the data when we decide we want to. The last thing I want is one or more non-dampened, non-stealthy, AR-toting team-mates running gung-ho to the target(s) I'm stalking, alerting them and most likely giving away my position. We are discussing squad vision, not team. You choose who you squad with, so I don't see your issue with this as relevant. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2663	Posted - 2013.12.07 01:39:00 - [26] - Quote If I want to share what I see, I'll paint it with an Active Scanner. Last time we Scouts debated the idea ... which we debated in length ... the majority were opposed unless we could toggle it off/on (on for PC, otherwise Off). Quite a few of us rely on sneak attacks, which tend to involve sneaking up directly behind a target. Timing is everything, and you don't want your target getting jumpy. Teammates (even squaddies) tend to move in the direction of the nearest red and fire without second thought. Bad news for us Assassin types who may be stalking or closing gap when the "help" arrives. Lots of non-Scouts supported this "Scout Buff" last round. Why not, right? We shouldn't be trying to kill things anyway, and its our job to run around and Recon for AR / ScR 1000HP "Slayer" types. LOL
Cass Caul 448	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:40:00 - [27] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: So I can ditch my active scanner that I dumped SP into and waste a slot on most suits for? No I don't think so, scouts can share scan data if they just do like the rest of us, whip out a scanner and spin in a circle so everyone can see that flashlight bobbing, there should be some risk involved. DJINN Jecture has a very god point here. The only exception is that (A) For a Scout to even approach the capacity of an ADV Scanner they would need to dedicate all 5 slots they have. And still it falls short of the ADV scanner. (B) this is only possible on a Scout gk.0 And takes more than double in SP what your Active Scanner costs. Scout gk.0 with Scan Precision V and a single complex Precision Enhancer equipped: 45-10%-20% = 450.90.8= 32.4 So to get your Scan Precision down to 36, the value you would need would be lvl 3 with an enhanced precision enhancer The SP value so far? Active Scanner: Dropsuit Upgrades I(6220), Dropsuit Core Upgrades II (49740), Active Scanner III (205200); 261160 SP Precison Enhancer: Dropsuit Upgrades I (6220), Dropsuit Core Upgrades I (12440), Dropsuit Electronics I (31100), Precision Enhancement III (205200); 254960 SP Alright, so for a Scout suit to be able to get the same precision as the ADV active scanner it cost them 6200 SP less. Now, let's talk about range. The range on all 3 ADV scanners in 100m. The maximum range a Scout gk.0 suit can achieve is 102.88. 16 meter base on Scouts, 50% bonus from Gallente Scout Ops V, 50% bonus from Range Amplification V, +185.78% from 4 complex range amplifiers (these are subject to stacking penalties BTW) So, lets look at the SP values now. Because you need all 4 slots and the full skill bonuses, you need to have a Gallente Scout Operation V, a total skill investment of 2.7 million SP, while the active scanner can be placed on any suit. On top of that it also needs Range Amplification V. SP values ADV Active Scanner, 261160 SP SP Values of scou with 100m range: dropsuit command II, Gallente Light Frame Operations III, Gallente Scout Operations V, Dropsuit Upgrades I, Dropsuit Electronics I, Range Amplification V. It must be hard, being a Canadian stoner, math just happens to be too hard for you. I mean you can't even see the SP disparity between a scout needing over three and a half million skill points, using up all 5 slots on a dropsuit, to be equal to the limited amount of SP necessary for an ADV Active Scanner that only takes up a single equipment slot and can be put on ANY dropsuit. Oh, and you can bring your Active Scanning up to level 5 and have the option for more range (200m) or to have better precision than a Gallente Scout can ever possibly have. 28 compared to 30.2 or 15 compared to 30.2 +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.
Cass Caul 448	Posted - 2013.12.07 02:48:00 - [28] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Except you coud fit a proto scout with complex precision enhancers/range amplifiers and get 100m passive scan range with 30db scan fidelity, then sit in a tank and act as passive scanner for anyone in the range of your minimap, all the while farming intel assists from kills. This could be an issue. Just turn off passive scans while in a vehicle though. I'm not sure whether you should get scan assists for passive scanning though. It probably wouldn't be game breaking so it could just be tried out and then turned off/tweaked if it doesn't work right. Tested this out myself. My suit's passive scanning did no work from with an LAV, HAV, or Dropship +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 47	Posted - 2013.12.07 03:50:00 - [29] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: The last time we Scouts debated the idea ... which we debated at length ... the majority were opposed unless we could toggle it off/on (ON for PC, otherwise OFF). Quite a few of us rely on sneak attacks, which tend to involve sneaking up directly behind a target. Timing is everything, and you don't want your target getting jumpy. Teammates (even squaddies) tend to move in the direction of the nearest red and fire without second thought. Bad news for us Assassin types who may be stalking or closing gap when the "help" arrives. If MedFrames must have this of us, then let them have it. But don't call it a "Scout Buff" ... this is not what we've waited for. Permit us to toggle it off and on; it'll likely do us more harm than good. I expected better from you Shotty. I liked this idea before the black eagle event. I like it even more now. I would run in a squad with a logi throwing up an active scan, my team would engage. During the firefight, I could easily slip behind the reds and go down the-áline with my Shotty getting multiple easy kills in a row. This is exactly how it will help you if we scouts share info with our squad. We would scan the enemy on approach of their rear. Our squad engages from the front holding their attention. As for an on/off button, simply don't squad up. If you must play as an individual and do not wish to contribute, do so like every everyone else does and go solo. Being selfish and trying to be a solo assassin but in squad makes little sense to me. Trying to prevent scouts from being able to contribute in a way that makes sense is selfish. This is not a medium suit buff, it is a teamwork buff. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 50	Posted - 2013.12.07 08:44:00 - [30] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Quote: 15:45[CCP]Wolfman >the scout scan sharing is an interesting idea 15:45[CCP]Wolfman >ill nention it to remnant Fingers crossed. Don't know where this was pulled, but I'm guessing irc. I wish ccp spent as much time here as they do on there. That way we don't get some twisted half assed monstrosity that nobody wants. I feel as though that take a partial idea from the players without actually looking at our input, and hand it of to some coder with just a basic outline. From there it's finger crossed. If they get it wrong, it's just put back at the end of the line to be fixed soon. I don't mean to rant on ccp, as I do enjoy this game and appreciate all of their hard work and support they put into this game. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.

Oswald Rehnquist 795	Posted - 2013.12.07 09:08:00 - [31] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: The last time we Scouts debated the idea ... which we debated at length ... the majority were opposed unless we could toggle it off/on (ON for PC, otherwise OFF). Quite a few of us rely on sneak attacks, which tend to involve sneaking up directly behind a target. Timing is everything, and you don't want your target getting jumpy. Teammates (even squaddies) tend to move in the direction of the nearest red and fire without second thought. Bad news for us Assassin types who may be stalking or closing gap when the "help" arrives. If MedFrames must have this of us, then let them have it. But don't call it a "Scout Buff" ... this is not what we've waited for. Permit us to toggle it off and on; it'll likely do us more harm than good. I expected better from you Shotty. I liked this idea before the black eagle event. I like it even more now. I would run in a squad with a logi throwing up an active scan, my team would engage. During the firefight, I could easily slip behind the reds and go down the-áline with my Shotty getting multiple easy kills in a row. This is exactly how it will help you if we scouts share info with our squad. We would scan the enemy on approach of their rear. Our squad engages from the front holding their attention. As for an on/off button, simply don't squad up. If you must play as an individual and do not wish to contribute, do so like every everyone else does and go solo. Being selfish and trying to be a solo assassin but in squad makes little sense to me. Trying to prevent scouts from being able to contribute in a way that makes sense is selfish. This is not a medium suit buff, it is a teamwork buff. You can call it want you want but this would limit several play styles and random squading, if I want to broadcast a location I use verbal communication which is sufficient for those who are close enough to understand it and provides it when I want it (or I use an active scanner, which is one of the cheapest equipment items out there). But having a red revealed, teammates automatically and non tactfully start assaulting it, which may alert the general hoard of enemies nearby stirring up the hornets nest when I am next to it and I am the one that gets stung vs being able to take out the peripherals before anybody is notified and verbally have teammates approach. Also most scouts are not with the pack per say, but are off with A) other scouts or B) another person, which none of these scenarios needs the feature you suggest. Also I may just be having fun joining random squads and may not want to communicate that kind of information which may in fact hurt me. I'd rather have the passive scanner have strengths that differ from the active scanner, not a mirror which then literally makes the active scanner a "scout in a pocket" You so can throw me in that group of naysayers. Below 28 dB
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 792	Posted - 2013.12.07 11:10:00 - [32] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Passive scan is neat, but for most suits it's stupidly small. Except for scouts, except since it isn't shared with the squad, it's not so useful (scouts being squishy etc) If scouts could share scan results with their squad, then 1. it would encourage them to fit range extenders and/or precision amps in some situations (up from 'never') 2. They would find a role separate from 'lolscouts just use active scanner', since they don't let reds know they turned up on scan 3. They would reclaim the equipment slot that may have been an active scanner 4. scout suits actually have a scouting bonus Discuss. How about... YES, YES, YES, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD --- YES!!!! --- Will that suffice? MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 792	Posted - 2013.12.07 11:19:00 - [33] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: The last time we Scouts debated the idea ... which we debated at length ... the majority were opposed unless we could toggle it off/on (ON for PC, otherwise OFF). Quite a few of us rely on sneak attacks, which tend to involve sneaking up directly behind a target. Timing is everything, and you don't want your target getting jumpy. Teammates (even squaddies) tend to move in the direction of the nearest red and fire without second thought. Bad news for us Assassin types who may be stalking or closing gap when the "help" arrives. If MedFrames must have this of us, then let them have it. But don't call it a "Scout Buff" ... this is not what we've waited for. Permit us to toggle it off and on; it'll likely do us more harm than good. I expected better from you Shotty. I liked this idea before the black eagle event. I like it even more now. I would run in a squad with a logi throwing up an active scan, my team would engage. During the firefight, I could easily slip behind the reds and go down the-áline with my Shotty getting multiple easy kills in a row. This is exactly how it will help you if we scouts share info with our squad. We would scan the enemy on approach of their rear. Our squad engages from the front holding their attention. As for an on/off button, simply don't squad up. If you must play as an individual and do not wish to contribute, do so like every everyone else does and go solo. Being selfish and trying to be a solo assassin but in squad makes little sense to me. Trying to prevent scouts from being able to contribute in a way that makes sense is selfish. This is not a medium suit buff, it is a teamwork buff. You can call it want you want but this would limit several play styles and random squading, if I want to broadcast a location I use verbal communication which is sufficient for those who are close enough to understand it and provides it when I want it (or I use an active scanner, which is one of the cheapest equipment items out there). But having a red revealed, teammates automatically and non tactfully start assaulting it, which may alert the general hoard of enemies nearby stirring up the hornets nest when I am next to it and I am the one that gets stung vs being able to take out the peripherals before anybody is notified and verbally have teammates approach. Also most scouts are not with the pack per say, but are off with A) other scouts or B) another person, which none of these scenarios needs the feature you suggest. Also I may just be having fun joining random squads and may not want to communicate that kind of information which may in fact hurt me. I'd rather have the passive scanner have strengths that differ from the active scanner, not a mirror which then literally makes the active scanner a "scout in a pocket" You so can throw me in that group of naysayers. A scout runs into a taken objective area and finds targets so your team can see them, then begins to take them out from the back. Your squad moves in from the front while they are occupied by trying to find the scout. Boom, scouts have a viable role. I would however like for scouts to be able to "mark" targets as well and have the mark last until 5 seconds after the target moves out of LoS. This would make it far better. MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 921	Posted - 2013.12.07 11:29:00 - [34] - Quote OP, not a bad idea. A great idea is that TacNet actually worked as stated. And as it used to. CCP/Shanghai - Ganking Lore and Functionality. All in a day's work.
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 122	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:57:00 - [35] - Quote I don't think everyone should be in such a hurry to "give scouts a role" that they turn us into a piece of glorified equipment...
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2011	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:49:00 - [36] - Quote Minmatar scouts say, "what good does this do me?" This would just be another buff to gallente, who are the recon based scouts. Minmatar which are assassins and combat support have zero use for this. As cool as this seems on paper it only benefits one suit type by turning them into a piece of equipment rather than giving them a combat role. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2678	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:12:00 - [37] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: As cool as this seems on paper it only benefits one suit type by turning them into a piece of equipment rather than giving them a combat role. * MedFrames want a role for Scouts, so long as its a Support Role. Tsk Tsk Tsk. * Why would MedFrames want Moody -- a lowly Scout -- to have a combat role? Scouts aren't supposed to be killing things. Those points are supposed to be for EZ Mode, Moody. As a Scout, its our job to make EZ Mode easier. So "buff" we've waited six months for should involve something that benefits EZ Mode. There's a 250 page thread somewhere on these Forums with lots of good ideas for fixing Scouts. Yet somehow "Scout Fix" suggestions cooked up by EZ Mode are what catches Wolfman's eye. Blows my mind.
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 125	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:15:00 - [38] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: As cool as this seems on paper it only benefits one suit type by turning them into a piece of equipment rather than giving them a combat role. * MedFrames want a role for Scouts, so long as its a Support Role. Tsk Tsk Tsk. * Why would MedFrames want Moody -- a lowly Scout -- to have a combat role? Scouts aren't supposed to be killing things. Those points are supposed to be for EZ Mode, Moody. As a Scout, its our job to make EZ Mode easier. So "buff" we've waited six months for should involve something that benefits EZ Mode. There's a 250 page thread somewhere on these Forums with lots of good ideas for fixing Scouts. Yet somehow "Scout Fix" suggestions cooked up by EZ Mode are what catches Wolfman's eye. Blows my mind. ...and there you have it
Oswald Rehnquist 797	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:03:00 - [39] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Minmatar scouts say, "what good does this do me?" This would just be another buff to gallente, who are the recon based scouts. Minmatar which are assassins and combat support have zero use for this. As cool as this seems on paper it only benefits one suit type by turning them into a piece of equipment rather than giving them a combat role. I don't believe the OP meant this as a scout fix, but more of an idea, but yeah as far as scout utility the gal scout would be the only one really to provide any great utility with the suggested feature. Also non combat areas are a great way to expand scouts, but it should be passive aggressive support via ewar. Our current flanking abilities plus debuffing would be a great way to take the scout as the anti logi. Below 28 dB
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2017	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:48:00 - [40] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Minmatar scouts say, "what good does this do me?" This would just be another buff to gallente, who are the recon based scouts. Minmatar which are assassins and combat support have zero use for this. As cool as this seems on paper it only benefits one suit type by turning them into a piece of equipment rather than giving them a combat role. I don't believe the OP meant this as a scout fix, but more of an idea, but yeah as far as scout utility the gal scout would be the only one really to provide any great utility with the suggested feature. Also non combat areas are a great way to expand scouts, but it should be passive aggressive support via ewar. Our current flanking abilities plus debuffing would be a great way to take the scout as the anti logi. Noncombat areas. I whole heartedly disagree with tailoring this class to spend more time out of action and hiding than we already do. This sort of thing is a job for equipment not a person. How if implemented this would be used tactically:: 1. Send in scout ahead of assaults and logis. 2. Make scout hide to ensure he doesn't die so you have vision throughout engagement. 3. That's it. Yeah that's it. Nope. Don't think so. Myself and many people didn't waste months of their lives to be eventually used by their team like a piece of equipment because that is what would happen. It's nice on paper but it is not what the class needs. Tacnet is OP as it is. Scanners are OP as it is. We DO NOT need another mechanic to make stealth and flanking even more difficult. We do not need another bonus in areas that will make a scout not at all fun to play. While many might see this as an "added bonus" for scouts it isn't. It's condemning them to a life of hiding in corners and on roofs. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Oswald Rehnquist 798	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:04:00 - [41] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Minmatar scouts say, "what good does this do me?" This would just be another buff to gallente, who are the recon based scouts. Minmatar which are assassins and combat support have zero use for this. As cool as this seems on paper it only benefits one suit type by turning them into a piece of equipment rather than giving them a combat role. I don't believe the OP meant this as a scout fix, but more of an idea, but yeah as far as scout utility the gal scout would be the only one really to provide any great utility with the suggested feature. Also non combat areas are a great way to expand scouts, but it should be passive aggressive support via ewar. Our current flanking abilities plus debuffing would be a great way to take the scout as the anti logi. Noncombat areas. I whole heartedly disagree with tailoring this class to spend more time out of action and hiding than we already do. This sort of thing is a job for equipment not a person. How if implemented this would be used tactically:: 1. Send in scout ahead of assaults and logis. 2. Make scout hide to ensure he doesn't die so you have vision throughout engagement. 3. That's it. Yeah that's it. Nope. Don't think so. Myself and many people didn't waste months of their lives to be eventually used by their team like a piece of equipment because that is what would happen. It's nice on paper but it is not what the class needs. Tacnet is OP as it is. Scanners are OP as it is. We DO NOT need another mechanic to make stealth and flanking even more difficult. We do not need another bonus in areas that will make a scout not at all fun to play. While many might see this as an "added bonus" for scouts it isn't. It's condemning them to a life of hiding in corners and on roofs. I'm talking about abilities that disable hostile mini maps (so they can't tell friend or foe), that causes weapons to malfunction, that drain users stamina, etc. These are passive aggressive debuffs which scouts can use to help a team out (especially if its aoe) or use to help himself for better set up (slowing down suits then knifing them). Again I favor the active module idea for these abilities, but debuffing is certainly a passive aggressive trait which would fit well with the different variant of scouts who can either more ewar vs assassin oriented. Below 28 dB
Kilo Shells G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 12	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:16:00 - [42] - Quote Note that Scans from every suit used to be shared until active scanners where released. Which I find really discourages the use of range amps and precision enhancers. Proper use of a mic would also make this a little redundant. But also I find the active scanner to be over the top since it keeps units marked for the duration. And so I think the active scanner should show a snap shot or require constant use which would boost the usefullness of scout intel.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 55	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:53:00 - [43] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Minmatar scouts say, "what good does this do me?" This would just be another buff to gallente, who are the recon based scouts. Minmatar which are assassins and combat support have zero use for this. As cool as this seems on paper it only benefits one suit type by turning them into a piece of equipment rather than giving them a combat role. * MedFrames want a role for Scouts, so long as its a Support Role. Tsk Tsk Tsk. * Why would MedFrames want you, Moody -- a lowly Scout -- to have a combat role? Scouts aren't supposed to be killing things. Those points are supposed to be for EZ Mode, Moody. The Scout Buff and Role -- we've waited six months -- should involve something that benefits EZ Mode. Its the Scout's job to make EZ Mode easier, Moody. Stop being selfish. There's a 250 page thread somewhere on these Forums with lots of good ideas for fixing Scouts. Yet "Scout Fix" suggestions cooked up by EZ Mode are the ones which catch the Wolfman's eye. :: Mind Blown :: How about instead of blaming this on medium suit players (could have swore I was a scout)and just saying no its no good, you give constructive feedback. Scout is in our name. This implies that we gather Intel and share it with our squad. How does this affect all of you that simple don't want this? How does this prevent players from being solo assassin's? Do you all play with bad players all of the time that you think that defining our role on the battlefield (in a manner that works with our name) is a bad thing? So far all the counter arguments have been selfish in nature and blames others for no reason. I don't mind criticism if it is well thought out. I did notice that minmatar do think this does not help them, but can someone expand on this and give reasons why, as well as possible give an example of how this is bad for them? So far the argument of teammates (though this is squad shared vision idea) would rush up to the scout and screw up what they were doing holds no water. As pointed, most scouts are away from the action to start. If you can not solo the objective after some time but the squad leader realizes through your information that it might be a prime time to move the rest of the squad to take it, how is that bad for you? Arguing that your squad mates would see red dots and rush to your location is not the fault of your suit, but a testament to what type players you have chosen to play with. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2688	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:50:00 - [44] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: How about instead of blaming this on medium suit players (could have swore I was a scout)and just saying no its no good, you give constructive feedback. I know you're a Scout, Sam. And I've already told you that we debated this at length. How about instead of stomping your feet, you go out and find the thread. The vast majority of Scouts are not in favor of this idea. Most of the folks who favor the idea are not Scouts. These are facts worthy of your consideration.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 56	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:57:00 - [45] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: How about instead of blaming this on medium suit players (could have swore I was a scout)and just saying no its no good, you give constructive feedback. I know you're a Scout, Sam. And I've already told you that we debated this at length. How about instead of stomping your feet, you go out and find the thread. The vast majority of Scouts are not in favor of this idea. Most of the folks who favor the idea are not Scouts. These are facts worthy of your consideration. I still have the thread, and all the arguments against this is the same ones here. The facts are that many did oppose this, but the reasoning was minimal. Elaborate as to why this is bad is a better tactic than just stomping you foot and saying "no I don't like this". When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2689	Posted - 2013.12.07 22:22:00 - [46] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: I still have the thread, and all the arguments against this is the same ones here. The facts are that many did oppose this, but the reasoning was minimal. Elaborate as to why this is bad is a better tactic than just stomping you foot and saying "no I don't like this". You're gonna make for a fine Forum Warrior, Samantha Hunyz. Even when you're dead wrong, you make it look so good :-) You must promise to continue doing this for Scouts, long after I've left. Not gonna argue this one further, other than to say ... We're a low priority. We'll get one tweak a year. When it comes, I hope it'll be something useful. Here are some of the useful tweaks Scouts have proposed: * Add Hi / Lo Slot + PG / CPU * Add EQ Slot + PG / CPU * Backstab Damage Multiplier * Built-in Active Camo / Cloak * Faster Movement / Sprint / Strafe Speed * Better Scan Statistics (Profile, Precision, Range) * Better Racial Bonuses * Improved Mobility (jump, fall, stamina, etc) * Improved Evasives (hit-box adjustment, auto-aim resistance) * High-Alpha, Scout-Only Weapons ^ Find the ones that EZ Mode won't sign off on ... those are the ones we want.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 57	Posted - 2013.12.07 22:34:00 - [47] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: I still have the thread, and all the arguments against this is the same ones here. The facts are that many did oppose this, but the reasoning was minimal. Elaborate as to why this is bad is a better tactic than just stomping you foot and saying "no I don't like this". You're gonna make for a fine Forum Warrior, Samantha Hunyz. Even when you're dead wrong, you make it look so good :-) You must promise to continue doing this for Scouts, long after I've left. Not gonna argue this one further, other than to say ... We're a low priority. We'll get one tweak a year. When it comes, I hope it'll be something useful. Here are some of the useful tweaks Scouts have proposed: * Add Hi / Lo Slot + PG / CPU * Add EQ Slot + PG / CPU * Backstab Damage Multiplier * Built-in Active Camo / Cloak * Faster Movement / Sprint / Strafe Speed * Better Scan Statistics (Profile, Precision, Range) * Better Racial Bonuses * Improved Mobility (jump, fall, stamina, etc) * Improved Evasives (hit-box adjustment, auto-aim resistance) ^ Find the ones that EZ Mode won't sign off on. Those are the ones we want. I agree with you on all points on this. This topic is just an idea to give scouts a role, which I believe all suits should have. This however does little to nothing towards actually fixing the scout issues. Any of the problems you point out if fixed would be a breath of life back into us scouts. The only reason I am advocating this over the real problems is that the coding for this is already in place in a dormant state. The code can be easily adjusted with minimal work on ccp's part. From there they can take the time to rewrite or create new code that actual makes the suit viable. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2689	Posted - 2013.12.07 22:52:00 - [48] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: I agree with you on all points on this. This topic is just an idea to give scouts a role, which I believe all suits should have. This however does little to nothing towards actually fixing the scout issues. Any of the problems you point out if fixed would be a breath of life back into us scouts. The only reason I am advocating this over the real problems is that the coding for this is already in place in a dormant state. The code can be easily adjusted with minimal work on ccp's part. From there they can take the time to rewrite or create new code that actual makes the suit viable. Good :-) Now keep in mind that CCP's time and resources are in short supply and extremely high demand. Especially when it comes to balance-related issues. They aren't gonna spend a whole lot of time researching or wiring a fix for 5% of the playerbase. While a mixed bag of buffs would be the best approach, it'd require too many resources. Not gonna happen. Better we Scouts propose and discuss easily accomplished things that'd actually help. Rather than debate and draw attention to things that won't.
The-Errorist Closed For Business For All Mankind 368	Posted - 2013.12.08 00:21:00 - [49] - Quote Related thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1575980
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 194	Posted - 2013.12.08 02:35:00 - [50] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Ummm...we already discussed this over in the scout registry a while back, and I think the general consensus was concern about our stealth going to **** because there's likely to be a gaggle of mercs closing on your position, and alerting whoever you might be stalking. So, if this was implemented, for the love of scouts, allow us to disable or enable it, or somehow press a button that shares the data when we decide we want to. The last thing I want is one or more non-dampened, non-stealthy, AR-toting team-mates running gung-ho to the target(s) I'm stalking, alerting them and most likely giving away my position. We are discussing squad vision, not team. You choose who you squad with, so I don't see your issue with this as relevant. Team-mates, squad mates. All blue. You appear to argue semantics, you have the point made clearly by me here, but you appear to dismiss it out of hand under the guise of me not fully realising a specific detail in the OP. However, my point is just as valid. Samantha Hunyz wrote: So far all the counter arguments have been selfish in nature and blames others for no reason. I don't mind criticism if it is well thought out. We have elaborated. We've suggested the best of both worlds. Allow the individual to flick a switch to control the data. That would seem to be about as level as it gets, it most certainly isn't selfish, as if this feature ended up in game, I would be intrigued to try it out. But sometimes I'm gonna want to turn it off I would think, and I would like that option. Plus, we do have comms if you're in the sorts of organised squads it sounds like you're in most of the time. How is what I've said not well thought out? Allow me to control my engagements, and share the data I want to. I'm not convinced on the general idea, but I would certainly try it out to see for real. But I don't understand your apparent belligerence that is bordering on aggressive. You're not really selling your standpoint from an angle I can take seriously.

Oswald Rehnquist 805	Posted - 2013.12.08 05:11:00 - [51] - Quote At least going back to the OP, this could work if we didn't have active scanners, I think the scout shared vision plus the active scanner for anybody with an equipment slot would equate to a little too much omniscience. One or the other gets the job done and active scanners already do it a little too well already Didn't mean to throw the idea without elaborating, because I have considered it before myself, but scout vision or active scanner vision is the question, having both is a little overdone in my opinion and would take away all flanking for everybody except a few scouts. Also active scanners can get the range and precision that a scout never could, so they generally would outperform hypothetical scouts in this aspect, meaning a scout would be outperformed again. Below 28 dB
Protected Void Endless Hatred 199	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:13:00 - [52] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Ummm...we already discussed this over in the scout registry a while back, and I think the general consensus was concern about our stealth going to **** because there's likely to be a gaggle of mercs closing on your position, and alerting whoever you might be stalking. So, if this was implemented, for the love of scouts, allow us to disable or enable it, or somehow press a button that shares the data when we decide we want to. The last thing I want is one or more non-dampened, non-stealthy, AR-toting team-mates running gung-ho to the target(s) I'm stalking, alerting them and most likely giving away my position. We are discussing squad vision, not team. You choose who you squad with, so I don't see your issue with this as relevant. Actually, you don't. If you're not a squad leader, you choose whether to join a squad and whether to stay in it or not. That's it. If you're in a squad and a gung ho medium user who abuses the intel you provide jumps into squad, you can either leave or ruin the mood in the squad by yelling at him/her. Neither is a good choice. It also kills any incentive for scouts to join random squads in the hope of finding new friends, recruiting etc. Let us choose when to share the intel, or this will just be another scout nerf in disguise.
Protected Void Endless Hatred 200	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:33:00 - [53] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: A scout runs into a taken objective area and finds targets so your team can see them, then begins to take them out from the back. Your squad moves in from the front while they are occupied by trying to find the scout. Boom, scouts have a viable role. True, that would happen from time to time. Far more likely, though, is this scenario: A scout runs into a taken objective area and finds targets so your team can see them. The scout starts flanking the targets. Some of your squad moves in from the front, some follow the scout's path, all start firing and alerts the enemy before the scout has finished their flanking maneuver. The enemy spots the scout. Boom, scout is dead.
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 63	Posted - 2013.12.08 23:53:00 - [54] - Quote Seriously guys, you are a speedy little scouts, with a second rate scan ability compared to the active scanner. Do you really believe that your squad is going to see the one or two red dots on your radar and drop everything to go get those out of the way, middle of nowhere red dot or two? Let's say that they do., would those red dots even be there by the time they started moving? Those times that your radar is actually full of reds, that is when and where your squad should be. And guess what, I highly doubt you are alive by the time your squad even gets there unless your a part of the 1% elite, because you are wearing a scout little hp suit. IMHO, it seems as though most of you scouts will not be happy until you can be one man armies. You believe you are entitled to have a suit that can slay every others with 1HKs, and take on the whole enemy by yourself. I will no longer continue to help this is or any other scout issues. Even though the scout does deserve to be fixed, your greediness has made me decide to distance myself from the majority. I will continue to be a asset to my team, and live with what little ccp decides to give us. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Oswald Rehnquist 810	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:46:00 - [55] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: Seriously guys, you are a speedy little scouts, with a second rate scan ability compared to the active scanner. Do you really believe that your squad is going to see the one or two red dots on your radar and drop everything to go get those out of the way, middle of nowhere red dot or two? Let's say that they do., would those red dots even be there by the time they started moving? Those times that your radar is actually full of reds, that is when and where your squad should be. And guess what, I highly doubt you are alive by the time your squad even gets there unless your a part of the 1% elite, because you are wearing a scout little hp suit. IMHO, it seems as though most of you scouts will not be happy until you can be one man armies. You believe you are entitled to have a suit that can slay every others with 1HKs, and take on the whole enemy by yourself. I will no longer continue to help this is or any other scout issues. Even though the scout does deserve to be fixed, your greediness has made me decide to distance myself from the majority. I will continue to be a asset to my team, and live with what little ccp decides to give us. Actually you are the one that is unreasonable Between the comments, there were these mentioned 1) Scouts often move alone or in very small packs where communication is sufficient, thus utility would be limited (one of my comments) 2) The difference would not be noticeable considering how small scout radius's are and how much weaker it is to the active scanner stat wise, thus instead of making it compete directly with the active scanner keep its separate niche like it does now. (one of my comments) 3) Even if it was made effective that plus the active scanner would be way to much info, we would practically be back to everyone having vision again. (my second post) 4) Could be implemented into an active module (I agreed with this could work too) 5) If scouts are getting a one time look at, focus on things that would actually benefit scouts 6) Only the gallente scout would be able to use this really due to its radius bonus, and the min scout would not All of them are valid concerns, and it is what they are concerns, which if an idea is not able to hold up to scrutiny then it may be a bad idea or the person arguing the pros is a little sensitive and not open for direct rebuttal. You could of talked how you wanted to change the active scanner to make the idea fit in better because as I have mentioned MWO has this ability and makes it useful, but you did not and instead pretty much just dismissed everybody without addressing the concerns. Essentially I don't see how you were planning on turning anybody over with the verbal tactics you were using. Below 28 dB
Samantha Hunyz Legions of Infinite Dominion 65	Posted - 2013.12.09 07:39:00 - [56] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Actually you are the one that is unreasonable Between the comments, there were these mentioned 1) Scouts often move alone or in very small packs where communication is sufficient, thus utility would be limited (one of my comments) 2) The difference would not be noticeable considering how small scout radius's are and how much weaker it is to the active scanner stat wise, thus instead of making it compete directly with the active scanner keep its separate niche like it does now. (one of my comments) 3) Even if it was made effective that plus the active scanner would be way to much info, we would practically be back to everyone having vision again. (my second post) 4) Could be implemented into an active module (I agreed with this could work too) 5) If scouts are getting a one time look at, focus on things that would actually benefit scouts 6) Only the gallente scout would be able to use this really due to its radius bonus, and the min scout would not All of them are valid concerns, and it is what they are concerns, which if an idea is not able to hold up to scrutiny then it may be a bad idea or the person arguing the pros is a little sensitive and not open for direct rebuttal. You could of talked how you wanted to change the active scanner to make the idea fit in better because as I have mentioned MWO has this ability and makes it useful, but you did not and instead pretty much just dismissed everybody without addressing the concerns. Essentially I don't see how you were planning on turning anybody over with the verbal tactics you were using. 1. This is true, but the wp idea helps give scouts other outlets of being useful and valuable. 2. Because the scout vision would be passive, the active scanner should be stronger as is the way of dust. 3. See my answer 2 4. See your answer 3 5. Look back at my post referring to develop time 6. I do agree that the gallente current plays type has to do little to implement and make useful. The mini can rework layouts and sp to take advantage of this as well. In the end it offers both new tools to learn and use to their advantage. The missing suits could bridge the gap, but at the end of the day some suits are better at using things than others. I did not include changes to current active scanners due to forum rules. Plus there already well thought out conversations discussing changes to them. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Oswald Rehnquist 814	Posted - 2013.12.09 08:02:00 - [57] - Quote Samantha Hunyz wrote: I did not include changes to current active scanners due to forum rules. Plus there already well thought out conversations discussing changes to them. To me this is the biggest thing because a flexible logi can throw on an active scanner and just blow scouts out of this feature, it won't be used over the active scanner at all. Its also the cheapest equipment out there. While not everyone would agree I actually think it would be fun to have a build or scout variant that worked as senors for the team while fighting but there is no room for it with active scanners in its current iteration. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfM-7IZ4hGs#t=4m40s The unit here is required to scout out targets but would not be useful it the other frames could compensate by throwing on electronics themselves. So again I think active scanners need to be dialed in as part of the discussion otherwise I disagree with the change due to a vast shadow it would be living under. Below 28 dB
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7363	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:37:00 - [58] - Quote I support this Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 406	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:10:00 - [59] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Passive scan is neat, but for most suits it's stupidly small. Except for scouts, except since it isn't shared with the squad, it's not so useful (scouts being squishy etc) If scouts could share scan results with their squad, then 1. it would encourage them to fit range extenders and/or precision amps in some situations (up from 'never') 2. They would find a role separate from 'lolscouts just use active scanner', since they don't let reds know they turned up on scan 3. They would reclaim the equipment slot that may have been an active scanner 4. scout suits actually have a scouting bonus Discuss. This is actually how it used to be for quite a while. I would love to see it.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 346	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:56:00 - [60] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Samantha Hunyz wrote: Add in Intel kill assist points. Also, show the squad those I'm tracking in my sights for the same effect. This is what scouts do, gather Intel and give it to those that need it. That is a good idea and you should feel good. (edit: not 100% sure about intel assists just for looking at someone, but definitely intel assists for passive scanning) I can make women pregnant just by looking at them though My Theme



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