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Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves Zero-Day 268	Posted - 2013.12.02 23:48:00 - [31] - Quote mini rehak wrote: This is New Eden, it's not fair. I spent my SP to get proto gear and you bet your ass i'm going to use it use. Running a proto fit does NOT make people god it just means you can't fight stupid when you see them. Yeah a guy running a proto suit MIGHT seem OP if you run at them going full ****. Think a bit before you shoot people. HTFU! ^^^ Knows what he is talking about. The question is not if I can or can not, but who is going to stop me? Beta Vet**
Cpt Merdock The Exemplars Top Men. 138	Posted - 2013.12.02 23:51:00 - [32] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: The whole point of the game atm is to improve your merc. Right? So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game atm is to get said equipment. If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game? I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned. Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun. This is AS BAD a cod. Seriously. Rant over EDIT: Read Gorra Snell's post. He/she makes a very good point! Hard to simply get good at the game when people dont have access to proto yet bud. Getting killed by nothing but proto slows that down as well. Although I agree, I earned it and should be able to use it. I dont blame proto users for using it, but there needs to be something done in game where you can play against your own gear level. Maybe match making done based on SP.
Zelorian Dexter snr 8thDivision 95	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:04:00 - [33] - Quote Ok were mercs. Were paid to do a job. That job is to attack or defend districts. Be it either Corp owned or npc. Now I dont see it as pubstomping. I see it as aggressive suppression of a enfeebled enemy. Also this has been going on forever and will continue until the end of time
danthrax martin Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:22:00 - [34] - Quote I got more creative and suicidal. Dual swarm commando for those tanks and trucks that make it to our initial spawn after 15 seconds of play. And a logi racing around doing drop uplinks past the front lines so my team can get out of the frikken hills. I also have a sacrifitial sentinel to distract and take fire so the berries can take their shots. Otherwise i do basic assault and frontline fit when it seems "mellow". Maybe i listen to too much maiden... The Trooper... Yeah... I suck First to die, and i dont cry, even after the thale sends my brain spray to the sky, before the orbital makes me pie!
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1829	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:34:00 - [35] - Quote I know I can't use Smartbombs in High-sec with out being turned into pulp, so Why can't CCP disallow proto gear in pubs (Could use it in FW or PC just not pubs) Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 22	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:46:00 - [36] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: mini rehak wrote: This is New Eden, it's not fair. I spent my SP to get proto gear and you bet your ass i'm going to use it use. Running a proto fit does NOT make people god it just means you can't fight stupid when you see them. Yeah a guy running a proto suit MIGHT seem OP if you run at them going full ******. Think a bit before you shoot people. HTFU! ^^^ Knows what he is talking about. Really? What is the counter to scan spam? Consider the amount of points it costs compared to how many a new player has. How can you not come straight at an opponent if you are lit up like a Xmas tree? New players do not have level 5 scout and a complex dampener but they are facing ADV and better scanners in a majority of pub matches. So how can a noob do anything if all flanking does mean that you are by yourself. Scanners with no draw back mean that the noobs cannot counter better equipment with good tactics. Scanners mean that it reduces it to who can put the most gear and peeps at the point of conflict. No chance for a noob to get the jump on a better equipped player. Might as well attach bells to our shoes. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Badonk Adonk Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:47:00 - [37] - Quote Lol jenza you are a condescending beach, maybe you are related to Iron Wolf Sabre?
Kane Fyea 2306	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:49:00 - [38] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: The whole point of the game atm is to improve your merc. Right? So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game atm is to get said equipment. If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game? I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned. Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun. This is AS BAD a cod. Seriously. Rant over And how are you supposed to improve your skills when you get killed every 5 seconds. You try something for me. Create an alt, go into Academy, beat them to a bloody pulp, then join a regular Pub match. I tried it. It's vicious. Trust me. I did. I still do. And its fun a f**k. I could be on my alt right now and you would never know. Spooky. Do you brick tank your amarr assault/logi? If so I think I went against you yesterday or the day before and all I gotta say is that was a great match. All I know is that the person had Michael in his name.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 260	Posted - 2013.12.03 01:07:00 - [39] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: ....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC. so according to you i should compromise more fun than I already am by not using the gear i invested SP in so not to ruin other people's fun... No, according to me, you need to be a LEADER. You are a childish, KDR chaser, how you became CPM, I'll never know. BTW, use your gear, keep it out of Hi-Sec, that's all. Names of playstyles
Lason Rift Dark Praetorian Order 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 01:08:00 - [40] - Quote Cpt Merdock wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: OP Hard to simply get good at the game when people dont have access to proto yet bud. Getting killed by nothing but proto slows that down as well. Although I agree, I earned it and should be able to use it. I dont blame proto users for using it, but there needs to be something done in game where you can play against your own gear level. Maybe match making done based on SP. Matchmaking based on SP probably isn't a good option either. High SP could equal high versatility, not necessarily focused ability. In order for an SP based MM system to work, it'd have to compare tree by tree, or at least category by category and you'd never get a full match. Plus you'd have to weight some trees heavier than others because AR specialized players going up against AV specialized players would be a wash even with equivalent SP. Nope, match making needs to be based on the player's performance stats. I think something like Monkey Mac's system above would be a good way to go about match making. That way terrible players like me get matched up with other terrible players, and good players get matched up with good players, the way it's supposed to be.

Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 22	Posted - 2013.12.03 01:44:00 - [41] - Quote Should there be a weighted WP game arena mode. 50 WP for a Proto suit or weapon 5 WP per proto slot 30 for ADV suit or weapon 3 per ADV slot 10 for STD/MLT suit or weapon 1 per slot used So its no points for standing still, red zone for all. Not the first team to lose all the clones but the first to 5000 WP. So it becomes a case of you want to play it go for it, but you are worth more points to the opposition. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
mini rehak The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 145	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:59:00 - [42] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: mini rehak wrote: This is New Eden, it's not fair. I spent my SP to get proto gear and you bet your ass i'm going to use it use. Running a proto fit does NOT make people god it just means you can't fight stupid when you see them. Yeah a guy running a proto suit MIGHT seem OP if you run at them going full ******. Think a bit before you shoot people. HTFU! ^^^ Knows what he is talking about. Really? What is the counter to scan spam? Consider the amount of points it costs compared to how many a new player has. How can you not come straight at an opponent if you are lit up like a Xmas tree? New players do not have level 5 scout and a complex dampener but they are facing ADV and better scanners in a majority of pub matches. So how can a noob do anything if all flanking does mean that you are by yourself. Scanners with no draw back mean that the noobs cannot counter better equipment with good tactics. Scanners mean that it reduces it to who can put the most gear and peeps at the point of conflict. No chance for a noob to get the jump on a better equipped player. Might as well attach bells to our shoes. What does that have to do with Proto suits? Just because you have a scanner does NOT mean you will win every firefight. There are ways to counter a Scan Spam you just have to be smart enough to figure it out. And besides scanners are broken, CCP needs to give them A good tweaking Know that you mean nothing to me,Nor the lies that seep from your teeth. Won't piss on you if you're on fire.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2304	Posted - 2013.12.03 09:19:00 - [43] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: ....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC. so according to you i should compromise more fun than I already am by not using the gear i invested SP in so not to ruin other people's fun... No, according to me, you need to be a LEADER. You are a childish, KDR chaser, how you became CPM, I'll never know. BTW, use your gear, keep it out of Hi-Sec, that's all. childish? KDR chaser? why not actually talk to me before making silly assumptions about me. I will play this game how is fun to me an I'm sorry but you have no right to dictate how i play this game. Frankly i dont see using proto in public games as a way of crapping on newbies but rather anticipating the other side bringing in their proto gear and responding in kind. But more than anything, this is a game and i dont get paid to be on the CPM so I will play this game in a way that is fun to me and you really dont have any right to demand i do anything less. Do I think matchmaking is a problem? OF COURSE I DO! Its one of the main thing i have been working for with CCP along side the new player experience. Just dont demand that I fit your mold of morality just because I have a tag next to my name. You want to know why I got CPM? Because I care about this game a lot more than clearly you think I do, I have been playing this game since beta day 1 and I have done so much work for the community, sacrificing my own time, money and in one or two situations, my own health to make this game the best I could. So excuse me when i decide if i want to play this game how i see fit. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 271	Posted - 2013.12.03 09:23:00 - [44] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: ....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC. so according to you i should compromise more fun than I already am by not using the gear i invested SP in so not to ruin other people's fun... No, according to me, you need to be a LEADER. You are a childish, KDR chaser, how you became CPM, I'll never know. BTW, use your gear, keep it out of Hi-Sec, that's all. childish? KDR chaser? why not actually talk to me before making silly assumptions about me. I will play this game how is fun to me an I'm sorry but you have no right to dictate how i play this game. Frankly i dont see using proto in public games as a way of crapping on newbies but rather anticipating the other side bringing in their proto gear and responding in kind. But more than anything, this is a game and i dont get paid to be on the CPM so I will play this game in a way that is fun to me and you really dont have any right to demand i do anything less. Do I think matchmaking is a problem? OF COURSE I DO! Its one of the main thing i have been working for with CCP along side the new player experience. Just dont demand that I fit your mold of morality just because I have a tag next to my name. You want to know why I got CPM? Because I care about this game a lot more than clearly you think I do, I have been playing this game since beta day 1 and I have done so much work for the community, sacrificing my own time, money and in one or two situations, my own health to make this game the best I could. So excuse me when i decide if i want to play this game how i see fit. If you would look up my other posts, I clearly state elsewhere that I don't care if you use proto gear, keep it fout o hi-sec. FW and PC is MADE for proto. I'm sorry I showed disrespect, i just don't respect your decision when you see a problem to add to it, when you should be leading the people. You are our representative, after all. Names of playstyles
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 924	Posted - 2013.12.03 09:24:00 - [45] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: The whole point of the game atm is to improve your merc. Right? So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game atm is to get said equipment. If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game? I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned. Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun. This is AS BAD a cod. Seriously. Rant over EDIT: Read Gorra Snell's post. He/she makes a very good point! I PROMISE that if you started this game today, you'd see it in a different light. Getting gear is indeed a purpose in this game. Giving new players a safe haven from being destroyed by it is another. When was the last time a Militia Starter fit killed you in a 1v1 gunfight? Because i can't remember the last time it's happened to me. They may get a kill on me when it's 2,3,4,5,6,or 7 on 1, but never in a 1v1. If you want to beat your chest and claim kingship over the pub matches full of starter fit noobs while using your proto, be my guest. But when you come up against real competition, don't btch when you get your a* handed to you.
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 453	Posted - 2013.12.03 09:48:00 - [46] - Quote Cosgar wrote: People lack foresight on bigger issues like matchmaking and new player experience. Plain and simple. People are simply acting defensive and trying not to die themselves. It's a survival instinct. They are not supposed to worry about the new player experience. That is the job of the developers. Players will do what they can to be the best, as they should. They should not shoulder the burdens of the community when the developers should be working to resolve these issues. Just look at EON and TeamPlayerz and how they failed miserably to "fix" PC with their planet fight club. What a joke... Now they are wiped out of existence for trying to control the game. Newb
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 690	Posted - 2013.12.03 09:58:00 - [47] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Cosgar wrote: People lack foresight on bigger issues like matchmaking and new player experience. Plain and simple. People are simply acting defensive and trying not to die themselves. It's a survival instinct. They are not supposed to worry about the new player experience. That is the job of the developers. Players will do what they can to be the best, as they should. They should not shoulder the burdens of the community when the developers should be working to resolve these issues. Just look at EON and TeamPlayerz and how they failed miserably to "fix" PC with their planet fight club. What a joke... Now they are wiped out of existence for trying to control the game. this is bullshit. It takes no effort to pull your guys back. If your so tough, you could easily retake the objective. Ifind if I leave the enemy at least one objective I get more points anyway. Who wants to run in and out of the redline killing snipers for the last half of battle. the result is the red berries get some points and a bit of experience. They also think they accomplished something. Every one has a good fight.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 95	Posted - 2013.12.03 14:47:00 - [48] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: ....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC. And our point is that you are making the game too simple and easy-mode for all the QQ's who haven't REALLY understood the point of the game. Stop trying to turn the game into a carebear, superfriends, children's themepark! It's one hell of a difficult game on purpose. Just like EVE is. What needs to be fixed is the mentality of the players, not the difficulty of the game. Players need to have a better academy where they learn early on that teaming up is better than solo. They need to understand that this isn't some pansy ass themepark MMO that wants them to win all the time. People need to learn that for every winner that has to be many losses and losers on the way to that goal. Deal with the losses and overcome and win in your own time. Because the harder fought victories are more fun and memorable than the easy ones. Null-sec, low-sec, or hi-sec - It's all still EVE Universe where nothing is guaranteed and nothing is ever fair as it is in other games. It's emergent gameplay. It's like playing any other game on insanity mode. I agree having PVE would satisfy the QQ's that want to have a mode where they can have fun, but that would take away from the numbers of players available for the other matches right now and kill the game even worse. Get players to understand what this game really IS and how difficult it is and why that makes it better than the mamby pamby Barney-land play games that everyone else is used to. You want hard-core? Come play DUST see if you are up for the challenge!
trraacx Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 30	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:00:00 - [49] - Quote This is why CEOpyrex is right in his quest to not have the CPM. Having someone on the CPM start a reponse with "Sweetie" clarifies that the CPM isn't there for the average player's interest, he is there for his own. I didn't read past "Sweetie", maybe he had something valid to say. I'm guessing he didn't acknowledge the valid points raised by the post he was responding to. All of these pubstomping threads are pointless. Those against them are right in their view that it has to hurt new player retention. The pubstompers are correct in that they shouldn't have to care about that. This guy on the CPM and CCP are wrong because they don't seem to understand it is a problem that CCP should address. jenza aranda wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: jenza aranda wrote: WELL, some people believe that because there is no matchmaking in pub games, that people shouldnt be allowed to use proto. While I understand this mentality it wont stop me from using my proto gear because if i have it, I will use it. HUH ? Where in the hell did you come to that conclusion ?? No wonder the matchmaking system is awful if the CPM's supposed to be pressing for issues to be fixed don't see it as a problem it'll never get fixed !!! The players are asking .. and wait for this .. it will blow your mind ... PVE/High sec/low sec where certain levels of gear are restricted OR do SP restricted matches that slightly seperates the players into different bands maybe 500k - 5m sp and 5m sp + get put against each other rather than sticking guys just out of the academy v guys with 30m SP Why don't you stop stomping new players and turning them away from the game and go and push this matter to CCP so they can actually do something about it and maybe .. attract some new players instead ?? This is why I think you are an awful CPM and should step down from the position, you're clueless and useless sweetie, I NEVER said matchmaking wasnt a problem, of COURSE its a problem. I was just identifying what i think people who are against pub proto are thinking right now. I know you have some strange vendetta against me but please stop embarrassing yourself.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 95	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:03:00 - [50] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: If you would look up my other posts, I clearly state elsewhere that I don't care if you use proto gear, keep it fout o hi-sec. FW and PC is MADE for proto. I'm sorry I showed disrespect, i just don't respect your decision when you see a problem to add to it, when you should be leading the people. You are our representative, after all. Where does this stupid attitude that certain things are "designed" for certain purposes come from? I can use officer gear in public matches if I wanted to. There is nothing in this game stopping me from doing it. It is an option and something that I can choose to do and risk if I want to take that risk. Similarly there is nothing that says I cannot go and use an AR to shoot at a tank. it's kinda pointless, but I might not be doing it to destroy the tank, i may be a distraction. So why take that option away from me just because you wouldn't do it? This game is about a "sandbox" where we are given the tools to play with any which way we can come up with. I may not wanna play with the toy dump truck like you do - haul the dirt away. I may instead decide that it makes a better shovel and use it to dig a bigger hole than the toy backhoe does. Similarly instead of sniping with a sniper rifle, I may decide to snipe with a forge gun. The devs have no real clue as to what the best or optimum way to use something in the game really is. They have their theories when the created the stuff, but one they put it into play that is the real crucible where WE the players make the tools do what WE want them to. Why do you want them to take that ability from you? I suppose next you want the government to take away all your freedoms and tell you where to work, what to eat, when to sleep because it's for the good of society after all. That is the same argument you are making here, that the rest of us should play the way you want us to for the "good of the game." I believe that the freedom to play the game the way I want to play it or the way that another wants to play it IS what will ultimately make this game better than any other. This is ultimately what people are misunderstanding about the "big picture" of this game.

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 945	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:03:00 - [51] - Quote because it's poor mathematics to use prototype gear when your maximum payout is 500k isk.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 945	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:04:00 - [52] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: ....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC. so according to you i should compromise more fun than I already am by not using the gear i invested SP in so not to ruin other people's fun... No, according to me, you need to be a LEADER. You are a childish, KDR chaser, how you became CPM, I'll never know. BTW, use your gear, keep it out of Hi-Sec, that's all. childish? KDR chaser? why not actually talk to me before making silly assumptions about me. I will play this game how is fun to me an I'm sorry but you have no right to dictate how i play this game. Frankly i dont see using proto in public games as a way of crapping on newbies but rather anticipating the other side bringing in their proto gear and responding in kind. But more than anything, this is a game and i dont get paid to be on the CPM so I will play this game in a way that is fun to me and you really dont have any right to demand i do anything less. Do I think matchmaking is a problem? OF COURSE I DO! Its one of the main thing i have been working for with CCP along side the new player experience. Just dont demand that I fit your mold of morality just because I have a tag next to my name. You want to know why I got CPM? Because I care about this game a lot more than clearly you think I do, I have been playing this game since beta day 1 and I have done so much work for the community, sacrificing my own time, money and in one or two situations, my own health to make this game the best I could. So excuse me when i decide if i want to play this game how i see fit. you're a carebear in eve. it's no wonder you're proto-stomping noobs in dust.
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 32	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:14:00 - [53] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: ....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC. so according to you i should compromise more fun than I already am by not using the gear i invested SP in so not to ruin other people's fun... No, according to me, you need to be a LEADER. You are a childish, KDR chaser, how you became CPM, I'll never know. BTW, use your gear, keep it out of Hi-Sec, that's all. childish? KDR chaser? why not actually talk to me before making silly assumptions about me. I will play this game how is fun to me an I'm sorry but you have no right to dictate how i play this game. Frankly i dont see using proto in public games as a way of crapping on newbies but rather anticipating the other side bringing in their proto gear and responding in kind. But more than anything, this is a game and i dont get paid to be on the CPM so I will play this game in a way that is fun to me and you really dont have any right to demand i do anything less. Do I think matchmaking is a problem? OF COURSE I DO! Its one of the main thing i have been working for with CCP along side the new player experience. Just dont demand that I fit your mold of morality just because I have a tag next to my name. You want to know why I got CPM? Because I care about this game a lot more than clearly you think I do, I have been playing this game since beta day 1 and I have done so much work for the community, sacrificing my own time, money and in one or two situations, my own health to make this game the best I could. So excuse me when i decide if i want to play this game how i see fit. we need gear based battles, then you can proto vs proto and have your fun. as it stands its shite times for new players. I made an alt, 1 game in academy then into the proto stomp, not fun. personally I see your attitude as part of the problem, yes it is your right to play that way but its a big problem for new and casual players alike. if you do want to do good then tell CCP that this is perhaps the biggest issue which needs to be tackled next or player retention will suffer. I have seen some good games die because the developers listen to the vocal few who are not in touch with the majority.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8229	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:20:00 - [54] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: we need gear based battles, then you can proto vs proto and have your fun. as it stands its shite times for new players. I made an alt, 1 game in academy then into the proto stomp, not fun. personally I see your attitude as part of the problem, yes it is your right to play that way but its a big problem for new and casual players alike. if you do want to do good then tell CCP that this is perhaps the biggest issue which needs to be tackled next or player retention will suffer. I have seen some good games die because the developers listen to the vocal few who are not in touch with the majority. I think gear based battles are a horrible idea because they'd be a nightmare to implement, and you'd need all sorts of fits just for different security space. I think gear based rewards are MUCH better, so the militia noob who just killed a proto gets a TON of ISK and WP for that kill, where as the proto who just stomped that noob gets next to nothing for his efforts. ISK / Vids / Stream
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves Zero-Day 275	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:21:00 - [55] - Quote 8213 wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: The whole point of the game atm is to improve your merc. Right? So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game atm is to get said equipment. If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game? I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned. Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun. This is AS BAD a cod. Seriously. Rant over EDIT: Read Gorra Snell's post. He/she makes a very good point! I PROMISE that if you started this game today, you'd see it in a different light. Getting gear is indeed a purpose in this game. Giving new players a safe haven from being destroyed by it is another. When was the last time a Militia Starter fit killed you in a 1v1 gunfight? Because i can't remember the last time it's happened to me. They may get a kill on me when it's 2,3,4,5,6,or 7 on 1, but never in a 1v1. If you want to beat your chest and claim kingship over the pub matches full of starter fit noobs while using your proto, be my guest. But when you come up against real competition, don't btch when you get your a* handed to you. I play a lot of games. Mainly MMOs or other FPS. When I get killed by someone with better gear I TRY TO GET BETTER GEAR. It motivates me to play and get better. If you want a game where everything is balanced somewhat and you don't need to improve in any way besides walking forward while holding L1 WITHOUT hitting walls constantly. Go play cod. Its so easy it hurts my head. And trust me, I'v been on the losing team countless times. I did not lose because they had prototype gear. They won because they were BETTER. And yes, I have lost 1v1 battles with militia gear. Probably because I'm an idiot, but my point still stands. The question is not if I can or can not, but who is going to stop me? Beta Vet
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves Zero-Day 275	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:22:00 - [56] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: mini rehak wrote: This is New Eden, it's not fair. I spent my SP to get proto gear and you bet your ass i'm going to use it use. Running a proto fit does NOT make people god it just means you can't fight stupid when you see them. Yeah a guy running a proto suit MIGHT seem OP if you run at them going full ****. Think a bit before you shoot people. HTFU! ^^^ Knows what he is talking about. Really? What is the counter to scan spam? Consider the amount of points it costs compared to how many a new player has. How can you not come straight at an opponent if you are lit up like a Xmas tree? New players do not have level 5 scout and a complex dampener but they are facing ADV and better scanners in a majority of pub matches. So how can a noob do anything if all flanking does mean that you are by yourself. Scanners with no draw back mean that the noobs cannot counter better equipment with good tactics. Scanners mean that it reduces it to who can put the most gear and peeps at the point of conflict. No chance for a noob to get the jump on a better equipped player. Might as well attach bells to our shoes. PRO TIP: Shooting people that have scanners makes them die! EDIT: Took out all of those pesky long quotes. The question is not if I can or can not, but who is going to stop me? Beta Vet**
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 753	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:26:00 - [57] - Quote this just in the point of eve online is to get a titan! "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves Zero-Day 275	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:28:00 - [58] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: this just in the point of eve online is to get a titan! I think this belongs in the eve forums. Just saying. The question is not if I can or can not, but who is going to stop me? Beta Vet
The Attorney General ZionTCD 1492	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:36:00 - [59] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: The players are asking .. and wait for this .. it will blow your mind ... PVE/High sec/low sec where certain levels of gear are restricted OR do SP restricted matches that slightly seperates the players into different bands maybe 500k - 5m sp and 5m sp + get put against each other rather than sticking guys just out of the academy v guys with 30m SP Anyone remotely new asking for that will deeply regret it if it gets put in. Vets would love it because all their passive skills will make it super easy to stomp on people who can't figure out how your AR does 15% more damage. Gear restrictions favour those with more passive skills. Those people are not the new players. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 754	Posted - 2013.12.03 15:38:00 - [60] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: knight of 6 wrote: this just in the point of eve online is to get a titan! I think this belongs in the eve forums. Just saying. I'm not sure you got the joke... saying the point of dust is to get proto is like saying the point of eve it to get a titan. neither game has a point an I am deriving humor from drawing that comparison. the point of dust and eve is unique to the player, some want a vast interstellar empire, others will settle for a nice tank and some close friends, neither game has an "end game" except the one the player designs for themself. you see? "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET



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