The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?

So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game *atm* is to get said equipment.

If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game?

I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned.

Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun.

This is AS BAD a cod.

Seriously.

*Rant over*

People lack foresight on bigger issues like matchmaking and new player experience. Plain and simple.

And how are you supposed to improve your skills when you get killed every 5 seconds. You try something for me. Create an alt, go into Academy, beat them to a bloody pulp, then join a regular Pub match. I tried it. It's vicious. Trust me.

I did. I still do. And its fun a f**k.

I could be on my alt right now and you would never know.

Spooky.

And how are you supposed to improve your skills when you get killed every 5 seconds. You try something for me. Create an alt, go into Academy, beat them to a bloody pulp, then join a regular Pub match. I tried it. It's vicious. Trust me.

Well, I still don't see how stomping newbies is good for the game. Keep that frelling stuff in PC/FW.

I never said stomping newberries was the fun part. Skilling into nothing but nanohives and grenades is the fun part.

WELL, some people believe that because there is no matchmaking in pub games, that people shouldnt be allowed to use proto.

While I understand this mentality it wont stop me from using my proto gear because if i have it, I will use it.

The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?

The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?

So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game *atm* is to get said equipment.

If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game?

I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned.

Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun.

This is AS BAD a cod.

Seriously.

*Rant over*

....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC.

WELL, some people believe that because there is no matchmaking in pub games, that people shouldnt be allowed to use proto.

While I understand this mentality it wont stop me from using my proto gear because if i have it, I will use it.

WELL, some people believe that because there is no matchmaking in pub games, that people shouldnt be allowed to use proto.

While I understand this mentality it wont stop me from using my proto gear because if i have it, I will use it.

Nope - the point is to have fun. If improving your merc is your idea of fun, then that's what it is for you. Could be different things for other people...making bad/cheap fits work, socializing, making ISKies, maxing K/D, maxing WP/D, etc.

While a game solely focused on K/D is something of a zero-sum game in terms of 'success', the fact that CCP provides us with a variety of metrics which we can choose to pursue, makes it possible for players with different values to come away from a match thinking they both 'won', despite feeling like their opponents lost. For example, player A is just after the ISK, player B is just after a high KDR...A runs MLT, goes 3/9 but makes 100k ISK, B goes 17/2 in PRO gear and breaks even on ISK...both feel successful.

I'm more of a player A in this equation...sounds like you're more of a B. There's room for both of us.

My turn. I love my proto gear and wont stop using it. my suits cost 200k a piece and guess what. that's all I run. I haven't ran a starter suit in weeks. even though I have a proto cal logi and a shitton of proto gear I cant fit all of it. my proto cal logi fit consists of 4 damage mods a duvoll, M1 nades, and 4 complex armor plates. Ive got 225 shield 700 armor. its that or I run with all proto equip shield extenders a damage mod and cpu/pg upgrades in my low slots because I cant fit everything without them. So do I run my cheaper suit that is almost impossible to kill 1v1. or even 1v7 which has happened before. or do I run my 233k isk suit that can be 2 shotted by a scout shotty. or dropped in 10 rounds from a new bro and his gek. maybe even 1 shotted by the all powerfull imperial scrambler. the other day I turned of my ps3 after going 9/3 in a 50 clone amb. why because I just got 9 out of 11 kills on my team. this game is not cod and that's why I play it. like EVE it favors those who have played longer. so people need to stop complaining about people like me who run proto in every match because guess what some day if you can get through the first few months like the rest of us did you too will be in proto gear. but thanks to you it may be absolutely useless. so if you want to play a game were the goal is to see how many times you can reset your skills then go play cod where no one has an advantage.

more rants to come

HUH ?

Where in the hell did you come to that conclusion ??

No wonder the matchmaking system is awful if the CPM's supposed to be pressing for issues to be fixed don't see it as a problem it'll never get fixed !!!

The players are asking .. and wait for this .. it will blow your mind ... PVE/High sec/low sec where certain levels of gear are restricted OR do SP restricted matches that slightly seperates the players into different bands maybe 500k - 5m sp and 5m sp + get put against each other rather than sticking guys just out of the academy v guys with 30m SP

Why don't you stop stomping new players and turning them away from the game and go and push this matter to CCP so they can actually do something about it and maybe .. attract some new players instead ??

This is why I think you are an awful CPM and should step down from the position, you're clueless and useless

WELL, some people believe that because there is no matchmaking in pub games, that people shouldnt be allowed to use proto.

While I understand this mentality it wont stop me from using my proto gear because if i have it, I will use it.

....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC.

So CCPs official position it is ok in hi sec space to stomp.

It's ok to redline snipe into the spawn points. Better yet do it with a tank.
Fine to take on newberries with 3 tanks in a 6 vs 6 ambush because the squad can afford it.
It's ok to bring in ADV and better scanners into high Sec and camp the single objective and spam scan every 5 seconds. Almost need a seizure warning with all the flashing between you've been scanned / now you havn't.

I thought it was because Scotty was broken that I've been in matches with 16 newberries vs 16 proto squads. Maybe the issue is not the tools but those who can't see how to grow a player base.

FYI in Eve there is Concord in the highsec and always ways to even things up. Sure it is harsh but at least you can look at the map for hot spots. Here you have no Intel and have to put up with a broken matchmaker with people who are fine exploiting it to the max.

Enjoying DUST, would enjoy it more with more players. Not worried about dying I'm a meat shield.

The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?

So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game *atm* is to get said equipment.

If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game?

I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned.

Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun.

This is AS BAD a cod.

Seriously.

*Rant over*


EDIT: Read Gorra Snell's post. He/she makes a very good point!

I basically got proto gear just so I could never use it

So CCPs official position it is ok in hi sec space to stomp.

It's ok to redline snipe into the spawn points. Better yet do it with a tank.
Fine to take on newberries with 3 tanks in a 6 vs 6 ambush because the squad can afford it.
It's ok to bring in ADV and better scanners into high Sec and camp the single objective and spam scan every 5 seconds. Almost need a seizure warning with all the flashing between you've been scanned / now you havn't.

I thought it was because Scotty was broken that I've been in matches with 16 newberries vs 16 proto squads. Maybe the issue is not the tools but those who can't see how to grow a player base.

FYI in Eve there is Concord in the highsec and always ways to even things up. Sure it is harsh but at least you can look at the map for hot spots. Here you have no Intel and have to put up with a broken matchmaker with people who are fine exploiting it to the max.

Enjoying DUST, would enjoy it more with more players. Not worried about dying I'm a meat shield.