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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:23:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:And how are you supposed to improve your skills when you get killed every 5 seconds. You try something for me. Create an alt, go into Academy, beat them to a bloody pulp, then join a regular Pub match. I tried it. It's vicious. Trust me.
Failure of a student to recognize the lesson is not entirely the teacher''s fault. In this hell-ish environment one needs to not only be good at the gameplay, but be good enough that they can do it without requiring a lot of thought to do it. This opens up that extra "thought-time" to worry about how to overcome and adapt to how the enemy is acting and what they are doing on the battlefield. Only then will you win.
Here is a good link for what I'm talking about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop
When you are able to observe and react to the enemy's play-style faster than they are to you, then you win. Trying to do the same thing over and over again and again unsuccessfully is dumb and gets you no where. It's like the saying where only an insane person thinks that doing the exact same thing over and over again could possibly get a different result. |
Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.12.03 14:47:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC.
And our point is that you are making the game too simple and easy-mode for all the QQ's who haven't REALLY understood the point of the game. Stop trying to turn the game into a carebear, superfriends, children's themepark! It's one hell of a difficult game on purpose. Just like EVE is. What needs to be fixed is the mentality of the players, not the difficulty of the game. Players need to have a better academy where they learn early on that teaming up is better than solo. They need to understand that this isn't some pansy ass themepark MMO that wants them to win all the time. People need to learn that for every winner that has to be many losses and losers on the way to that goal. Deal with the losses and overcome and win in your own time. Because the harder fought victories are more fun and memorable than the easy ones.
Null-sec, low-sec, or hi-sec - It's all still EVE Universe where nothing is guaranteed and nothing is ever fair as it is in other games. It's emergent gameplay. It's like playing any other game on insanity mode. I agree having PVE would satisfy the QQ's that want to have a mode where they can have fun, but that would take away from the numbers of players available for the other matches right now and kill the game even worse. Get players to understand what this game really IS and how difficult it is and why that makes it better than the mamby pamby Barney-land play games that everyone else is used to. You want hard-core? Come play DUST see if you are up for the challenge!
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:03:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:If you would look up my other posts, I clearly state elsewhere that I don't care if you use proto gear, keep it fout o hi-sec. FW and PC is MADE for proto.
I'm sorry I showed disrespect, i just don't respect your decision when you see a problem to add to it, when you should be leading the people. You are our representative, after all.
Where does this stupid attitude that certain things are "designed" for certain purposes come from? I can use officer gear in public matches if I wanted to. There is nothing in this game stopping me from doing it. It is an option and something that I can choose to do and risk if I want to take that risk.
Similarly there is nothing that says I cannot go and use an AR to shoot at a tank. it's kinda pointless, but I might not be doing it to destroy the tank, i may be a distraction. So why take that option away from me just because you wouldn't do it? This game is about a "sandbox" where we are given the tools to play with any which way we can come up with. I may not wanna play with the toy dump truck like you do - haul the dirt away. I may instead decide that it makes a better shovel and use it to dig a bigger hole than the toy backhoe does. Similarly instead of sniping with a sniper rifle, I may decide to snipe with a forge gun.
The devs have no real clue as to what the best or optimum way to use something in the game really is. They have their theories when the created the stuff, but one they put it into play that is the real crucible where WE the players make the tools do what WE want them to. Why do you want them to take that ability from you? I suppose next you want the government to take away all your freedoms and tell you where to work, what to eat, when to sleep because it's for the good of society after all. That is the same argument you are making here, that the rest of us should play the way you want us to for the "good of the game." I believe that the freedom to play the game the way I want to play it or the way that another wants to play it IS what will ultimately make this game better than any other.
This is ultimately what people are misunderstanding about the "big picture" of this game.
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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.12.03 16:13:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:we need gear based battles, then you can proto vs proto and have your fun.
as it stands its shite times for new players. I made an alt, 1 game in academy then into the proto stomp, not fun.
personally I see your attitude as part of the problem, yes it is your right to play that way but its a big problem for new and casual players alike. if you do want to do good then tell CCP that this is perhaps the biggest issue which needs to be tackled next or player retention will suffer.
I have seen some good games die because the developers listen to the vocal few who are not in touch with the majority.
First I agree that the new academy experience needs to be revamped so that the "casual player" get the ******* clue early on that this ain't no ******* casual game!
Second, adding in "gear based" matches will KILL THIS GAME! Why? Because it would further divide the limited pool of players even more. It wouldn't fix the problem but make it WORSE. Proto matches would never happen because not enough people and only when arranged for fun by the "lete" alliances. People would play advanced matches and complain about being owned all the time by the "lete" players who should have stayed at the Proto level, but didn't. And finally all your precious newbs would still get WTF OWNED by EVERYONE as EVERYONE would be using you basic/newb level matches to farm for ISK.
Yeah I agree this is an issue, but it isn't one for CCP, it is one for players that still haven't figured out how this game actually works yet.
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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.12.03 16:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Personally I just want a 100% solo option that does not allow people to form squads in the match. Free for all or teams, I don't care, just let me work solo against everyone else working solo and no gear advantage will make up for that.
Tricky business this be, I just usually run militia or advanced gear because I'm poor, I like the challenge, and stomping in proto gear is just boring as ****.
This is a dumb idea. First, you are trying to say that solo play is somehow a superior tactic to teamwork and thus should be rewarded by the game? This is an MMO which inherently means that you went online SPECIFICALLY TO PLAY WITH OTHERS! If you want solo, don't go online. Second, you are taking option and choice of play-style away from players by doing this. Why play in a game where you can choose how to fit your suit etc. when you just force people to your conformity anyways? Why not play COD where the "kit" is already defined for your "role" and be happy there? Here there are no real "roles" there are no forced kits. You play how you like it. If you want to not join a squad and play solo, then go for it. Just understand that your opponent doesn't have to like that and will do whatever they want to.
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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Personally I just want a 100% solo option that does not allow people to form squads in the match. Free for all or teams, I don't care, just let me work solo against everyone else working solo and no gear advantage will make up for that.
Tricky business this be, I just usually run militia or advanced gear because I'm poor, I like the challenge, and stomping in proto gear is just boring as ****.
Ok, so you will still get stomped... Why? Because everyone in a corp will be on corp voice and q-sync for those matches. Not all will make it into the same match, but a lot will and then they will just group up together again. Trying to discourage teamwork in a multi-player game is couter-productive. Instead come up with ways to use team work to your advantage and as a mechanism to help balance the equations. Instead of having matches where you ban squads, instead have matches that require them for example. This will make newbs understand that they need to work together to get anywhere.
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:No MMO player would expect someone wearing noob gear to be dropped into a level 90 zone....
LOL... You weren't around for Everquest when it was first released were you... ;)
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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:57:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:But you don't have to work together to get anywhere, that's the point. I have what I have from about 90% solo play, and I'm much further ahead than most players.
A solo game type wouldn't be introduced till later, and by then I would imagine we would have team deploy for team games, and a system to help randomize how you enter a solo game, thus preventing queue syncing.
I don't know why you're so adamant about denying others a game type they might enjoy, when it does literally nothing to harm your own enjoyment.
i never said that you couldn't join matches solo. I'm only saying that everyone on here that is QQ'ing about being beat all the damn time are trying to fix the symptoms of the problem when they just need to recognize that when they play solo it won't be easy is all. Instead of understanding the difficulties of their CHOICE of play-style, they want to impose their artificially derived play-style onto others. I won''t force you to play in a squad if you don't want to, but don't force me to play solo in an MMO also.
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