DUST Search - Ok! so let me get this straight.

mini rehak wrote:

Tch Tch wrote:

Michael Cratar wrote:

mini rehak wrote:

This is New Eden, it's not fair. I spent my SP to get proto gear and you bet your ass i'm going to use it use. Running a proto fit does NOT make people god it just means you can't fight stupid when you see them. Yeah a guy running a proto suit MIGHT seem OP if you run at them going full ******. Think a bit before you shoot people.

HTFU!

^^^ Knows what he is talking about.

Really?

What is the counter to scan spam? Consider the amount of points it costs compared to how many a new player has.

How can you not come straight at an opponent if you are lit up like a Xmas tree?

New players do not have level 5 scout and a complex dampener but they are facing ADV and better scanners in a majority of pub matches. So how can a noob do anything if all flanking does mean that you are by yourself.

Scanners with no draw back mean that the noobs cannot counter better equipment with good tactics. Scanners mean that it reduces it to who can put the most gear and peeps at the point of conflict. No chance for a noob to get the jump on a better equipped player. Might as well attach bells to our shoes.

What does that have to do with Proto suits? Just because you have a scanner does NOT mean you will win every firefight. There are ways to counter a Scan Spam you just have to be smart enough to figure it out. And besides scanners are broken, CCP needs to give them A good tweaking

Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.


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Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 22	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:53:00 - [1] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: WELL, some people believe that because there is no matchmaking in pub games, that people shouldnt be allowed to use proto. While I understand this mentality it wont stop me from using my proto gear because if i have it, I will use it. So CCPs official position it is ok in hi sec space to stomp. It's ok to redline snipe into the spawn points. Better yet do it with a tank. Fine to take on newberries with 3 tanks in a 6 vs 6 ambush because the squad can afford it. It's ok to bring in ADV and better scanners into high Sec and camp the single objective and spam scan every 5 seconds. Almost need a seizure warning with all the flashing between you've been scanned / now you havn't. I thought it was because Scotty was broken that I've been in matches with 16 newberries vs 16 proto squads. Maybe the issue is not the tools but those who can't see how to grow a player base. FYI in Eve there is Concord in the highsec and always ways to even things up. Sure it is harsh but at least you can look at the map for hot spots. Here you have no Intel and have to put up with a broken matchmaker with people who are fine exploiting it to the max. Enjoying DUST, would enjoy it more with more players. Not worried about dying I'm a meat shield. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 22	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:46:00 - [2] - Quote Michael Cratar wrote: mini rehak wrote: This is New Eden, it's not fair. I spent my SP to get proto gear and you bet your ass i'm going to use it use. Running a proto fit does NOT make people god it just means you can't fight stupid when you see them. Yeah a guy running a proto suit MIGHT seem OP if you run at them going full ******. Think a bit before you shoot people. HTFU! ^^^ Knows what he is talking about. Really? What is the counter to scan spam? Consider the amount of points it costs compared to how many a new player has. How can you not come straight at an opponent if you are lit up like a Xmas tree? New players do not have level 5 scout and a complex dampener but they are facing ADV and better scanners in a majority of pub matches. So how can a noob do anything if all flanking does mean that you are by yourself. Scanners with no draw back mean that the noobs cannot counter better equipment with good tactics. Scanners mean that it reduces it to who can put the most gear and peeps at the point of conflict. No chance for a noob to get the jump on a better equipped player. Might as well attach bells to our shoes. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 22	Posted - 2013.12.03 01:44:00 - [3] - Quote Should there be a weighted WP game arena mode. 50 WP for a Proto suit or weapon 5 WP per proto slot 30 for ADV suit or weapon 3 per ADV slot 10 for STD/MLT suit or weapon 1 per slot used So its no points for standing still, red zone for all. Not the first team to lose all the clones but the first to 5000 WP. So it becomes a case of you want to play it go for it, but you are worth more points to the opposition. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 27	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:20:00 - [4] - Quote mini rehak wrote: Tch Tch wrote: Michael Cratar wrote: mini rehak wrote: This is New Eden, it's not fair. I spent my SP to get proto gear and you bet your ass i'm going to use it use. Running a proto fit does NOT make people god it just means you can't fight stupid when you see them. Yeah a guy running a proto suit MIGHT seem OP if you run at them going full ******. Think a bit before you shoot people. HTFU! ^^^ Knows what he is talking about. Really? What is the counter to scan spam? Consider the amount of points it costs compared to how many a new player has. How can you not come straight at an opponent if you are lit up like a Xmas tree? New players do not have level 5 scout and a complex dampener but they are facing ADV and better scanners in a majority of pub matches. So how can a noob do anything if all flanking does mean that you are by yourself. Scanners with no draw back mean that the noobs cannot counter better equipment with good tactics. Scanners mean that it reduces it to who can put the most gear and peeps at the point of conflict. No chance for a noob to get the jump on a better equipped player. Might as well attach bells to our shoes. What does that have to do with Proto suits? Just because you have a scanner does NOT mean you will win every firefight. There are ways to counter a Scan Spam you just have to be smart enough to figure it out. And besides scanners are broken, CCP needs to give them A good tweaking I out fit MLT/Basic Dampeners on all my main fits. The only other counter to scan spam is to stay out of range which is really difficult if you want to take an objective or in an ambush. You can do this by deep redline sniping but that isn't a preference. My main which is a noob account too only has 2 million SP in a balanced manner. I have ADV Dampener(s) on a few of those. And even then im fluctuating between scan / not scanned as mulitple scanners cycle through. The life span on my MLT triple ADV scanner is short but does surprise the crap out of some players, when i have the SP for shotgun it will be interesting. But as a new player that is an expensive isk and SP option. So again its not about proto equipment or squad tactics. It's about players who already have an advantage in SP, equipment, isk etc then going easy mode and using the scanner to remove any tactical component of the game. Also from an SP perspective why invest in increased precision and/or range. Level five increased range will get you 225 square meters of coverage at your innate scanning level on a medium suit. Compared with 10,000 square meters with a 100m scanner doing ballerina twirls. Whilst passive is always on, actives other pro is it provides better precision than the precision skill. So one skill trumps two specialist skills. Add to that active isn't lighting up the user. Our suits are all fairly stealthy and submarine tactics go a long way. It is strange to have an active ping that does not identify the end user. Even a redline sniper leaves a trail, why the heck not this electronic fog horn? Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.