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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:11:00 -
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The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?
So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game *atm* is to get said equipment.
If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game?
I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned.
Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun.
This is AS BAD a cod.
Seriously.
*Rant over*
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:19:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?
So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game *atm* is to get said equipment.
If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game?
I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned.
Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun.
This is AS BAD a cod.
Seriously.
*Rant over* And how are you supposed to improve your skills when you get killed every 5 seconds. You try something for me. Create an alt, go into Academy, beat them to a bloody pulp, then join a regular Pub match. I tried it. It's vicious. Trust me.
I did. I still do. And its fun a f**k.
I could be on my alt right now and you would never know.
Spooky.
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:23:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?
So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game *atm* is to get said equipment.
If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game?
I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned.
Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun.
This is AS BAD a cod.
Seriously.
*Rant over* And how are you supposed to improve your skills when you get killed every 5 seconds. You try something for me. Create an alt, go into Academy, beat them to a bloody pulp, then join a regular Pub match. I tried it. It's vicious. Trust me. I did. I still do. And its fun a f**k. I could be on my alt right now and you would never know. Spooky. Well, I still don't see how stomping newbies is good for the game. Keep that frelling stuff in PC/FW.
I never said stomping newberries was the fun part. Skilling into nothing but nanohives and grenades is the fun part. 
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:28:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:WELL, some people believe that because there is no matchmaking in pub games, that people shouldnt be allowed to use proto.
While I understand this mentality it wont stop me from using my proto gear because if i have it, I will use it.
WHAT? A CPM IN THE FORUMS! I must over react to everything you say and then bash the game with my bias opinions While ignoring everyone els!
Note: You make a good point, and I agree. +1
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:32:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:
....Ugh. My point is, it's bad for the game. And Jenza, as a CPM, you should be setting an example, not destroying the fun. IT'S A GAME!!!! WE HAVE PC AND FW FOR LO-SEC!!!! Pubs are HI-SEC.
So, its bad for a game to have fun with the equipment I earned? I have the freedom to use it whenever and where ever I please.
This is supposed to be a sand box game right?
Right?
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:35:00 -
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Gorra Snell wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?
Nope - the point is to have fun. If improving your merc is your idea of fun, then that's what it is for you. Could be different things for other people...making bad/cheap fits work, socializing, making ISKies, maxing K/D, maxing WP/D, etc. While a game solely focused on K/D is something of a zero-sum game in terms of 'success', the fact that CCP provides us with a variety of metrics which we can choose to pursue, makes it possible for players with different values to come away from a match thinking they both 'won', despite feeling like their opponents lost. For example, player A is just after the ISK, player B is just after a high KDR...A runs MLT, goes 3/9 but makes 100k ISK, B goes 17/2 in PRO gear and breaks even on ISK...both feel successful. I'm more of a player A in this equation...sounds like you're more of a B. There's room for both of us.
Thank you. Proper feedback at its finest.
You also pointed out a flaw in my argument. +1
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I basically got proto gear just so I could never use it 
You are a saint.
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:48:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:This is New Eden, it's not fair. I spent my SP to get proto gear and you bet your ass i'm going to use it use. Running a proto fit does NOT make people god it just means you can't fight stupid when you see them. Yeah a guy running a proto suit MIGHT seem OP if you run at them going full ******. Think a bit before you shoot people.
HTFU!
^^^ Knows what he is talking about.
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:21:00 -
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8213 wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?
So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game *atm* is to get said equipment.
If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game?
I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned.
Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun.
This is AS BAD a cod.
Seriously.
*Rant over*
EDIT: Read Gorra Snell's post. He/she makes a very good point! I PROMISE that if you started this game today, you'd see it in a different light. Getting gear is indeed a purpose in this game. Giving new players a safe haven from being destroyed by it is another. When was the last time a Militia Starter fit killed you in a 1v1 gunfight? Because i can't remember the last time it's happened to me. They may get a kill on me when it's 2,3,4,5,6,or 7 on 1, but never in a 1v1. If you want to beat your chest and claim kingship over the pub matches full of starter fit noobs while using your proto, be my guest. But when you come up against real competition, don't b*tch when you get your a** handed to you.
I play a lot of games. Mainly MMOs or other FPS. When I get killed by someone with better gear I TRY TO GET BETTER GEAR. It motivates me to play and get better.
If you want a game where everything is balanced *somewhat* and you don't need to improve in any way besides walking forward while holding L1 WITHOUT hitting walls constantly. Go play cod. Its so easy it hurts *my head*.
And trust me, I'v been on the losing team countless times. I did not lose because they had prototype gear. They won because they were BETTER.
And yes, I have lost 1v1 battles with militia gear. Probably because I'm an idiot, but my point still stands.
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:22:00 -
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Tch Tch wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:mini rehak wrote:This is New Eden, it's not fair. I spent my SP to get proto gear and you bet your ass i'm going to use it use. Running a proto fit does NOT make people god it just means you can't fight stupid when you see them. Yeah a guy running a proto suit MIGHT seem OP if you run at them going full ******. Think a bit before you shoot people.
HTFU! ^^^ Knows what he is talking about. Really? What is the counter to scan spam? Consider the amount of points it costs compared to how many a new player has. How can you not come straight at an opponent if you are lit up like a Xmas tree? New players do not have level 5 scout and a complex dampener but they are facing ADV and better scanners in a majority of pub matches. So how can a noob do anything if all flanking does mean that you are by yourself. Scanners with no draw back mean that the noobs cannot counter better equipment with good tactics. Scanners mean that it reduces it to who can put the most gear and peeps at the point of conflict. No chance for a noob to get the jump on a better equipped player. Might as well attach bells to our shoes.
PRO TIP: Shooting people that have scanners makes them die!
EDIT: Took out all of those pesky long quotes.
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:28:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:this just in the point of eve online is to get a titan!
I think this belongs in the eve forums. Just saying.
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.03 16:58:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:knight of 6 wrote:this just in the point of eve online is to get a titan! I think this belongs in the eve forums. Just saying. I'm not sure you got the joke... saying the point of dust is to get proto is like saying the point of eve it to get a titan. neither game has a point an I am deriving humor from drawing that comparison. the point of dust and eve is unique to the player, some want a vast interstellar empire, others will settle for a nice tank and some close friends, neither game has an "end game" except the one the player designs for themself. you see?
I did. That's why I liked your status. 
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:19:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:The whole point of the game *atm* is to improve your merc. Right?
So why is it frowned apon to use prototype equipment when the whole point of the game *atm* is to get said equipment.
If you are tired of getting owned by someone. Why not, oh I dont know, get better at the game?
I have proto gear. It wont stop you from getting owned.
Id much rather be "PWOTOW STAWMPED" then be in a match with people who barely know how to walk forward without getting stuck on a wall let alone know how to shoot a gun.
This is AS BAD a cod.
Seriously.
*Rant over* And how are you supposed to improve your skills when you get killed every 5 seconds. You try something for me. Create an alt, go into Academy, beat them to a bloody pulp, then join a regular Pub match. I tried it. It's vicious. Trust me. This is the main problem, people have played MMO's for a good chunk of their gammng history, and understand when you play one you can't come in as a level 20 and murder a level 90. The FPS players who have played that genre more exclusively don't comprehend that concept well. They think when you join a game with two people and gun's their should be some "even" playing field between the two. That's where alot of the problem stem's with attitude... No MMO player would expect someone to wear noob gear on a level 90 so the level 20 could have a chance... it would be laughable. When I started this game i knew this as fact, There will be people with much better skill's and suit's then I and i will have to play differently to compete with them. If you highly specialize into something you max out somewhat quickly and can catch up or gain competitive footing fairly quick. But the assumption that you should directly compete with Prototype 20m SP players when your right out of Training grounds.. is.. deflating peoples spirit at the general ability to grasp a true MMOFPS concept.
Thank you. This sums up how I feel about this pretty well.
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:28:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:
No MMO player would expect someone wearing noob gear to be dropped into a level 90 zone....
I would love a game that dose that so much.
I feel that games hold your hand too much nowdays.
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Michael Cratar wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
No MMO player would expect someone wearing noob gear to be dropped into a level 90 zone....
I would love a game that dose that so much. I feel that games hold your hand too much nowdays. So you would love joining an MMO and never being able to progress because the enemies are statistically superior to you in such a way that you couldn't compete regardless of skill? I think we have differing opinions on what makes a good MMO....
No one said you had to stay and get owned. Why not just leave to go to a lower level zone?
AKA Picking you fights?
There is an old game called S.T.A.L.K.E.R that dose this perfectly. *especially with the Misery mod*
If anything, CCP should tell newberries what they are getting them selves into. That way they will know the game is supposed to be hard. *propper balancing of weapons could help with this as well.*
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Michael Cratar
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:54:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:
Proto stomping is more of an issue than people think. Its not that bad from their end, or even the receiving end if you have similarly built suits, but for new players that have 3 armor upgrade and 3 shield upgrade and thats it, its kinda terrible. Im a seasoned player and the time to kill for my suit is less than half a second of solid hits. Granted I play scout, but my scout suit has more ehp and survability than other suits do; especially starting fits. The issue isnt proto's at all in regular matches, its that newer players get no good experiences in the majority of the matches they join. I do my best to recruit people into the game and teach them, but some of them have such a bad time due to matchmaking luck of the draw and their newness to the game that they dont come back to the game at all. Itd be fine if it was one in ten matches, but just last night I played at least 10 matches and 6 of them were proto stomps.
Wow, a counter argument that proves a good point.
Honestly, I agree.
Proper balancing of weapons, frames, and mods will help with this.
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