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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

SILVERBACK 02 wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

yeah right thats why landmines, RPG's and IED's can destroy or badly damage any kind of vehicle. You just wait till i dig a hole and put 60 remote explosives inside of it. Then i wait for you to drive over it and boom a big ass explosion.

not tanks.. that have class 5 choban armour mesh... something the americans have been trying to get there hands on for years now but the british military will never release such documents

HEY ... HEY ...HEY ... the British have been trying to get the secret sauce of the BIG MAC for years now but we gave it to the Scottish , but will not share with the Brit's until they share .

So there .

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SILVERBACK 02 wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

SILVERBACK 02 wrote:

[quote=The dark cloud]yeah right thats why landmines, RPG's and IED's can destroy or badly damage any kind of vehicle. You just wait till i dig a hole and put 60 remote explosives inside of it. Then i wait for you to drive over it and boom a big ass explosion.

not tanks.. that have class 5 choban armour mesh... something the americans have been trying to get there hands on for years now but the british military will never release such documents

HEY ... HEY ...HEY ... the British have been trying to get the secret sauce of the BIG MAC for years now but we gave it to the Scottish , but will not share with the Brit's until they share .

So there .

" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!

Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

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AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

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KalOfTheRathi wrote:

No. I do not agree. It is not true on a real battlefield and there is little indication that it will be true in the future.

If installations weren't equipped with junk weapons they should be able to pop you with one round like a 155mm HE can do today.

If you only want to run tank versus tank. Then you need to find a different game.

Cheer up a bit will you

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AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

For sure the best counter for a tank should be a tank.

But the only counter?

I want what you're smoking!

Monkey MAC wrote:

3) Infantry only become good for capping points

Only saw your conversation after posting, so here's an edit!

Basically, I think it's somewhat disingenuous to suggest that a tank should be worth no more than an assault dropsuit (if you are in fact, as I presume, referring to its combat abilities) considering your quote.

A tank is not like a dropsuit - it's entirely a niche item; it can perform one role, and one role only. In my tank, I can kill (and scatter the enemy, more importantly) more effectively than any protosuit (and if my blaster had decent hit detection.... but that's another matter ). What I can't provide is any kind of versatility.

In an Assault dropsuit, I can slay, cap points and provide limited support. In a Logistics dropsuit, I can slay, cap points and provide ample support. In a Scout dropsuit... but you get the idea.

A tank should be equivalent to somewhat more than a heavy suit, considering that the heavy suit is primarily a slayer suit (however poorly it performs that role) considering its lack of any support ability (I am referring, of course, to the absence of an equipment slot).

In its niche, a tank should be unmatched. Unlike any other dropsuit, or even vehicle, an HAV is capable of performing only one role to any acceptable standard (in other words, it's not even capable of acting as a mobile spawnpoint, like a DS, or even an effective transport, like a LAV).
There is no legitimate reason why any infantry suit should be able to match the HAV in its niche.

Now, having made that point, I'm going to move on to OP's point.

Even if the infantry has sacrificed its primary weapons slot for an AV-type weapon (or is one of those assholes who primaries grenades as AV) it still has far greater versatility than a tank; in fact, a tank that's fitted for primary AV is generally poor at anti-infantry action, and so has even smaller a niche than under normal circumstances.

I think, for that reason, that the primary AV weapon on the field should be a tank, and that infantry AV should be supplemental (significant, but not catastrophic as it currently is). Certainly I don't think that a single AV player should be capable of utterly negating the entire opposing team's effective vehicle usage (assuming the other side is using equivalently tiered gear).

And I avoided mentioning ISK for a very good reason (though I'd not say no to a significant price drop even were it accompanied by a nerf or two).

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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

For sure the best counter for a tank should be a tank.

But the only counter?

I want what you're smoking!

Monkey MAC wrote:

3) Infantry only become good for capping points

Only saw your conversation after posting, so here's an edit!

Basically, I think it's somewhat disingenuous to suggest that a tank should be worth no more than an assault dropsuit (if you are in fact, as I presume, referring to its combat abilities) considering your quote.

A tank is not like a dropsuit - it's entirely a niche item; it can perform one role, and one role only. In my tank, I can kill (and scatter the enemy, more importantly) more effectively than any protosuit (and if my blaster had decent hit detection.... but that's another matter ). What I can't provide is any kind of versatility.

In an Assault dropsuit, I can slay, cap points and provide limited support. In a Logistics dropsuit, I can slay, cap points and provide ample support. In a Scout dropsuit... but you get the idea.

A tank should be equivalent to somewhat more than a heavy suit, considering that the heavy suit is primarily a slayer suit (however poorly it performs that role) considering its lack of any support ability (I am referring, of course, to the absence of an equipment slot).

In its niche, a tank should be unmatched. Unlike any other dropsuit, or even vehicle, an HAV is capable of performing only one role to any acceptable standard (in other words, it's not even capable of acting as a mobile spawnpoint, like a DS, or even an effective transport, like a LAV).
There is no legitimate reason why any infantry suit should be able to match the HAV in its niche.

Now, having made that point, I'm going to move on to OP's point.

Even if the infantry has sacrificed its primary weapons slot for an AV-type weapon (or is one of those assholes who primaries grenades as AV) it still has far greater versatility than a tank; in fact, a tank that's fitted for primary AV is generally poor at anti-infantry action, and so has even smaller a niche than under normal circumstances.

I think, for that reason, that the primary AV weapon on the field should be a tank, and that infantry AV should be supplemental (significant, but not catastrophic as it currently is). Certainly I don't think that a single AV player should be capable of utterly negating the entire opposing team's effective vehicle usage (assuming the other side is using equivalently tiered gear).

And I avoided mentioning ISK for a very good reason (though I'd not say no to a significant price drop even were it accompanied by a nerf or two).

AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

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KalOfTheRathi wrote:

The most consistent QQ Kitten burst of pure emotion from tankers is ISK. As in a 1.4M ISK tank should not be taken out by a 147K ISK something that is not a tank.

Which is utter bullshit.

I have trouble with kids of a certain age, teen to early adult in many cases. The word 'entitled' comes up repeatedly. They believe because they were born without enough cash in their butt to live comfortably for the rest of their lives without doing anything at all then life sucks and is unfair. Hugely unfair.

Somehow these ISK tankers seem to ring like the same set of whine chimes. Rap them once and its is all about ISK, my ISK, my ISK reverberating in the distance.

So why is that different from the QQ Tankers? It ain't little tanker babes. You spent a chunk of change. You got popped. HTFU. Remember that? Well you better. Because it is the motto of CCP/Mothership and it ain't changing.

If you cannot afford to lose it, don't bring it out.

But, we will enjoy your QQ our little Tanker Kittens. Once 1.7 hammers the truth of fragile tanks down your throats and the very limited modules will mean you spend all your time behind the red line, just remember. Please come to the forums so we can read your QQ. The rest of us need a laugh. Don't forget to post how much the tank you lost cost in ISK or AUR.

Expensive QQ are the bestest.


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Atiim wrote:

Alpha 443-6732 wrote:

Atiim wrote:

If you LOLTank Brigadiers want to be the only viable counter to yourselves, then fine. But you can't be effective at killing infantry then.

This isn't World Of Tanks. And we aren't turning this into Tank 514. You can't be the "end all things" class on the battlefield.. Every weapon, suit, role, and class needs to have it's strengths and weaknesses. You cannot be effective at both Anti-Vehicle and Anti-Infantry. Having both leads to an imbalance.

Prime example of a strawman argument right here (No one actually wants their tank to be the end all be all weapon).

All we want is a tank mounted gun to do more damage than a hand cannon, simple as that. Tanks will be awkward to play after 1.7, because engagements may not always line up in phase with your CD timers. When infantry get webifiers (which will be soon), you infantry will easily be able to ambush tanks, because they would be immobile AND huge targets for your weapons to hit.

So tell me then if tanks are the only counter to tanks, how will they not become the "end all things" weapon? Oh wait that's right tankers have never said that they want/should be the best counter to themselves. I'm just putting words in people's mouths

Oh wait, it was the first sentence of the OP

SILVERBACK 02 wrote:

the only thing that should be able to take out a tank is... ANOTHER TANK

do you agree?
snip

Also, why should you be more effective than a class designed to be your weakness? That's playing a DC Universe title and QQIng about how effective Kryptonite is against Superman or Superwoman character.

AV = HAV. That's called balance.

AV > HAV or HAV < AV is not balance. That's stupidity.

On another note, if you could link to a thread where a CCP DEV has confirmed that we will be reviving webifiers, that would be appreciated. (And no, SoonGäó does not count as a confirmation)

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Atiim wrote:

Alpha 443-6732 wrote:

Atiim wrote:

If you LOLTank Brigadiers want to be the only viable counter to yourselves, then fine. But you can't be effective at killing infantry then.

This isn't World Of Tanks. And we aren't turning this into Tank 514. You can't be the "end all things" class on the battlefield.. Every weapon, suit, role, and class needs to have it's strengths and weaknesses. You cannot be effective at both Anti-Vehicle and Anti-Infantry. Having both leads to an imbalance.

Prime example of a strawman argument right here (No one actually wants their tank to be the end all be all weapon).

All we want is a tank mounted gun to do more damage than a hand cannon, simple as that. Tanks will be awkward to play after 1.7, because engagements may not always line up in phase with your CD timers. When infantry get webifiers (which will be soon), you infantry will easily be able to ambush tanks, because they would be immobile AND huge targets for your weapons to hit.

So tell me then if tanks are the only counter to tanks, how will they not become the "end all things" weapon? Oh wait that's right tankers have never said that they want/should be the best counter to themselves. I'm just putting words in people's mouths

Oh wait, it was the first sentence of the OP

SILVERBACK 02 wrote:

the only thing that should be able to take out a tank is... ANOTHER TANK

do you agree?
snip

Also, why should you be more effective than a class designed to be your weakness? That's playing a DC Universe title and QQIng about how effective Kryptonite is against Superman or Superwoman character.

AV = HAV. That's called balance.

AV > HAV or HAV < AV is not balance. That's stupidity.

On another note, if you could link to a thread where a CCP DEV has confirmed that we will be reviving webifiers, that would be appreciated. (And no, SoonGäó does not count as a confirmation)

AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

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We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........

Tanker/Logi

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AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.