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THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 565	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:07:00 - [1] - Quote No name calling-just simple reality here. So theres of course the whole scaling factor for 3 AV to kill a tank means 6 tanks requires more players than a team has whatever, then tankers usually respond focus AV then move on to next target whatever. Simple reality to this is- Yes through combined AV they will devastate tank after tank so long as the tanks team is made of scrubs and only that- bad tanks, tanks shy away from blue infantry, blues suck and don't hunt AVers, blue are losing. Unfortunately the well fitted tanks that do have a competent team that isn't locked down in a firefight, will completely steamroll the enemy even if there whole team spawns with AV, tanker kills a few, retreats, waits for AV to get massacred, repeats, pubstomp. both of these scenarios happen all the time. As a result good tankers just pull out there tanks during pubstomps, and go 40/0 easily. The simple truth is it already takes multiple AV to kill a single tank- but only well fit ones. An appropriately fitted maddy takes 10 IAFG(prof5, 2 damage mods) shots in a row to kill an armor upgrades level 5(10% base resistance) 120mm poly plate with a heavy repper & 3 active hardeners.(2 hardeners 180mm plate pg exp is inferior to this fit). Now that 10 shots require about 40(rough guess) or so seconds to get off in row(perfect scenario, which is common because of rooftops) During this time it is sometimes impossible to get to cover, if the AVer waited to get you into a good spot, but nonetheless, simply hopping out and recalling your tank during the 10 shots is EXTREMELY easy. Now we have in most games however, the reason the tank dieing, being to about 2 or so proto AVers and a MLT swarm or 2 all at once, considering the AVers are forgers, this means both wouldn't need to reload, and the explosive vs armor damage is glitched letting those mlt swarms do a bit of damage. As a result, the time to kill is lowered to only about 10 or 15 seconds, which translate to this scenario so commonly- Tanker: oh had some MLT swarms hit me, whatever, hit reppers, oh sht i got hit by something strong-where is he?! OH F** LOTSA DAMAGE RUN RUN! backs up for 3 seconds BOOM* tanker rage. So multiple AV is the reason tanks die 95% of the time, but soloing good tanks is ridiculously hard already UNTIL you get a tower overwatch and you can then hit them w/ EZmode AV, but a good tank w/ recalling means no kill for you. Now heres the reason however extremely tough tanks are a bad idea IMO(opinion sure,but based off experience)- Remember the charybdis? Despite being able to run over a whole team easily, no one really pulled out AV to kill it. The reason being that it was(is) so ridiculously hard to kill, that it wasn't worth it, why pull out AV and get slaughtered over & over when you wouldn't even be able to kill it? Thats how it was(is). You can compare this to a dropship, where the moment its seen or gets a kill, everyone and their momma pulls out a forge, why? EZkill. The one saving grace about this, is that a smaller reason people didn't pull out AV was because it was difficult to hit the charybdis at all with a FG, let alone enough to kill it, however with a tank its still easy to hit it consistently. So there ya go! I'd like to close saying I don't really care if tanks become OP, cus CCP will just nerf them anyways. Also I didn't talk about swarms much because of the explosive weapon damage being glitched. As well as them becoming undisputedly useless potato cannons next patch. And if all AV becomes as bad as swarms and plasma cannons ill just use a proto rail on an MLT tank on a hill as an AV weapon so... Ya, this thread was all about truth and what really happens in game, not about numbers, but just about what happens day to day. Theres so much i still couldn't say but the threads long enough.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 128	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:10:00 - [2] - Quote 2 tanks max per team, problem solved. now AV quit your QQ and wait for mods to be on cooldown, only good vehicle users will survive on cooldown TLDR srry will read recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 660	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:12:00 - [3] - Quote Nice one sided view Now how about how in 1.7 a tank will cost around 20 mil SP to max out and how they'll still cost boatloads of money. Now lets look at how much SP and isk a well fitted FG costs. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
VAHZZ 296	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:13:00 - [4] - Quote Right....team work is a bad idea...riiiiiiiiight. krillin voice HEY GUYS, I'M GOING SOLO AGAINST AN ARMADA....krillin pwn count infinite The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper Scout
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 128	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:13:00 - [5] - Quote btw nothing will stop pubstomps, they happen all the time without tanks btw tankers rage because there is no escape recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 259	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:14:00 - [6] - Quote Meh don't care either way Breach FG FTW How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 565	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:15:00 - [7] - Quote TL;DR- the title is answered in the second to last paragraph, but the rest is stuff anyone involved with tanks or AV should know, explaining why sometimes tanks are OP and sometimes AV is OP, whether you can know that and claim tanks to be generally OP or UP is entirely your opinion, but not fact. If i were to call tanks OP it'd be entirely opinion and no fact, same as if i were to call them UP.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 128	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:16:00 - [8] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meh don't care either way OP Breach FG FTW cuz i newb on tower fixed recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 38	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:17:00 - [9] - Quote Message from Godin: What do you know? The only thing you people knows is FOTM.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:17:00 - [10] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: TL;DR- the title is answered in the second to last paragraph, but the rest is stuff anyone involved with tanks or AV should know, explaining why sometimes tanks are OP and sometimes AV is OP, whether you can know that and claim tanks to be generally OP or UP is entirely your opinion, but not fact. If i were to call tanks OP it'd be entirely opinion and no fact, same as if i were to call them UP. no if so said tanks were either OP or Up they would just find a way to insult Nyain San and completely disregard you statement

THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 566	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:19:00 - [11] - Quote i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 129	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:20:00 - [12] - Quote oh btw, EVERYONE and thier mother has poto av so we need to balance around adv and proto recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 566	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:20:00 - [13] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: TL;DR- the title is answered in the second to last paragraph, but the rest is stuff anyone involved with tanks or AV should know, explaining why sometimes tanks are OP and sometimes AV is OP, whether you can know that and claim tanks to be generally OP or UP is entirely your opinion, but not fact. If i were to call tanks OP it'd be entirely opinion and no fact, same as if i were to call them UP. no if so said tanks were either OP or Up they would just find a way to insult Nyain San and completely disregard you statement LOOOL the guy right above you completely proved your point.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 662	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:21:00 - [14] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2981	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:21:00 - [15] - Quote Reads post Sees corp tag laughs hysterically
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 129	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:25:00 - [16] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Reads post Sees corp tag laughs hysterically aren't they the anti-tank? or anti-vehicle? recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:26:00 - [17] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Reads post Sees corp tag laughs hysterically aren't they the anti-tank? or anti-vehicle? what?
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 566	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:26:00 - [18] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. I gave math and the situations i presented happen 95% of the time. Please gtfo if you can't realise that because you're either retard3d, or not involved with AV or tanks much.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 129	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:27:00 - [19] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Reads post Sees corp tag laughs hysterically aren't they the anti-tank? or anti-vehicle? what? like the opposite of jesus, anti-tank, they AV and qq about every time a vehicle kills them. recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:28:00 - [20] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Reads post Sees corp tag laughs hysterically aren't they the anti-tank? or anti-vehicle? what? like the opposite of jesus, anti-tank, they AV and qq about every time a vehicle kills them. we have some great tankers in our corp

Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:30:00 - [21] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. I gave math and the situations i presented happen 95% of the time. Please gtfo if you can't realise that because you're either retard3d, or not involved with AV or tanks much. oh please Pothead, being so hypocritical already? Thought there was no name calling. I'd also like to point out, because you saying its 95% of the time, doesnt make it so. Thats what situational evidence is. You cant call something a fact off of situational evidence, thats akin to someone on LDS saying "The walls are melting and thats a fact". Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 129	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:31:00 - [22] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. I gave math and the situations i presented happen 95% of the time. Please gtfo if you can't realise that because you're either retard3d, or not involved with AV or tanks much. heres what happens when going against decent players tank getw a kill or 2 they spawn in with proto AV they insta pop tank with proto broken forge gun or proto swarms, no wonder the proto AV is in prototype stage, they're not tested but they're broken and need fixing recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 209	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:31:00 - [23] - Quote BUT BUT BUT i kill charbys all the damn time, and i dont even have swarms or forge guns, or lai dai's i also steal charbys all the time, using my own car i can pin them in, hop out and shoot them in the face (my most common and favorite method. or i bait them into remote explosives / proxies (second most common method, as even if you dont kill it, yull launch it a bit and its probably going to hit something and stop... at wich point you shoot him in the face) ram it to death and my personal advice.... look both ways before you cross teh street and the damn thing wont be able to hit you. now that ive debunked what you called your own personal reason for believing yoru statement is true. im going to somewhat agree with you. game balance isnt about "such and such shoudl take 3 people to take down", thats just stupid, as one good player will always be able to do the same things as 3 crappy ones. nobody ever referances the abilitys of the players they are using for this measurement, as theres a huge difference between 3 blueberrys and 3 seasoned vets (even if they are both using the exact same gear) now i do disagree that teamwork to kill things is bad, as i believe teamwork is KEY to everything, the answer to anti-proto is teamwork, the answer to anti-vehicle is teamwork, the answer to everything in the game is in fact teamwork. i believe the only thing that matter is weather or not CCP sees the type of gameplay they intended to have, or are at least happily surprized by the players at whzat they end up doing with the tools provided. if that means that tanks are the absolute weapon of power in the middle of an open field, then so be it, becuase thats what type of battle CCP was designing. and counter to that if the previous ends up true but CCP diddnt intend for that outcome then that same thing becomes imbalanced. exact same situation, can be both balanced or imbalanced. the ONLY factor that matters is weather or not that type of gameplay was the overall goal.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:32:00 - [24] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. I gave math and the situations i presented happen 95% of the time. Please gtfo if you can't realise that because you're either retard3d, or not involved with AV or tanks much. heres what happens when going against decent players tank getw a kill or 2 they spawn in with proto AV they insta pop tank with proto broken forge gun or proto swarms, no wonder the proto AV is in prototype stage, they're not tested but they're broken and need fixing maybe that happens to your tankers in your corp
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 129	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:36:00 - [25] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. heres what happens when going against decent players tank getw a kill or 2 they spawn in with proto AV they insta pop tank with proto broken forge gun or proto swarms, no wonder the proto AV is in prototype stage, they're not tested but they're broken and need fixing maybe that happens to your tankers in your corp umm, no, this happens all the time and everywhere outside pc, other players tanks too, against decent players. recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:36:00 - [26] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. I gave math and the situations i presented happen 95% of the time. Please gtfo if you can't realise that because you're either retard3d, or not involved with AV or tanks much. heres what happens when going against decent players tank getw a kill or 2 they spawn in with proto AV they insta pop tank with proto broken forge gun or proto swarms, no wonder the proto AV is in prototype stage, they're not tested but they're broken and need fixing maybe that happens to your tankers in your corp You make it sound like your corps good, exploiting NA servers so you have ****** ping and become nearly unkillable because of it, or using FOTM proto gear to stomp around in pubs, or thinking blobbing is a "pro" tactic. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:41:00 - [27] - Quote can someone say qq, get over this lag BS our japanese players are just that much better than most people on this game, stop blaming something as real as the loch ness monster
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 566	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:42:00 - [28] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. I gave math and the situations i presented happen 95% of the time. Please gtfo if you can't realise that because you're either retard3d, or not involved with AV or tanks much. oh please Pothead, being so hypocritical already? Thought there was no name calling. I'd also like to point out, because you saying its 95% of the time, doesnt make it so. Thats what situational evidence is. You cant call something a fact off of situational evidence, thats akin to someone on LDS saying "The walls are melting and thats a fact". The OP was no name calling, not me, thats my official statement, but once you start posting you'd best believe i dont give a f uck. And if you can't see that the situations i presented are what really happens ALL the time, then im done with you, I can tell you whats common sense, but a serial killer can always argue that hes not wrong because theres no real evidence what he does is wrong. You want math its in the 10 maxed proto FG shots to kill a single maxed tank. Thats why tanks don't get solo'ed generally, thats why multiple AV means EZ mode quick death to them and they rage about OP AV.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 129	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:43:00 - [29] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: can someone say qq, get over this lag BS our japanese players are just that much better than most people on this game, stop blaming something as real as the loch ness monster stop abusing proto AV recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:45:00 - [30] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: can someone say qq, get over this lag BS our japanese players are just that much better than most people on this game, stop blaming something as real as the loch ness monster stop abusing proto AV I'm sorry have you been pub stomped by us recently

Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:45:00 - [31] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: can someone say qq, get over this lag BS our japanese players are just that much better than most people on this game, stop blaming something as real as the loch ness monster L-O-L Dont worry, i'll get some video proof of them lagging around dude to ****-tier internet. How about they play on Asian servers? Then i'll join and kick their butts because they CANT hit me. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:47:00 - [32] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: can someone say qq, get over this lag BS our japanese players are just that much better than most people on this game, stop blaming something as real as the loch ness monster L-O-L Dont worry, i'll get some video proof of them lagging around dude to ****-tier internet. How about they play on Asian servers? Then i'll join and kick their butts because they CANT hit me. based on your logic why don't you go into the asian severs and lag in there and pile up the kills
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:49:00 - [33] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. I gave math and the situations i presented happen 95% of the time. Please gtfo if you can't realise that because you're either retard3d, or not involved with AV or tanks much. oh please Pothead, being so hypocritical already? Thought there was no name calling. I'd also like to point out, because you saying its 95% of the time, doesnt make it so. Thats what situational evidence is. You cant call something a fact off of situational evidence, thats akin to someone on LDS saying "The walls are melting and thats a fact". The OP was no name calling, not me, thats my official statement, but once you start posting you'd best believe i dont give a f uck. And if you can't see that the situations i presented are what really happens ALL the time, then im done with you, I can tell you whats common sense, but a serial killer can always argue that hes not wrong because theres no real evidence what he does is wrong. You want math its in the 10 maxed proto FG shots to kill a single maxed tank. Thats why tanks don't get solo'ed generally, thats why multiple AV means EZ mode quick death to them and they rage about OP AV. Once again, tell me how much SP a maxed proto FG takes? Now, tell me how much SP a maxed Tank takes. Now tell me, do you run tanks? Or do you sit on a tower, safe from tanks with a FG? Maybe both? Doesnt matter either way, without hardline FACT, that means math, and I know that can be hard for stoners some times, your arguement is invalid no matter how much you want to be butthurt and swear, namecall or be rude because I suggest using logic and (once again stated) math vs situational evidence. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:50:00 - [34] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: can someone say qq, get over this lag BS our japanese players are just that much better than most people on this game, stop blaming something as real as the loch ness monster L-O-L Dont worry, i'll get some video proof of them lagging around dude to ****-tier internet. How about they play on Asian servers? Then i'll join and kick their butts because they CANT hit me. based on your logic why don't you go into the asian severs and lag in there and pile up the kills Hint hint Its because I dont need a crutch. Hint hint Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:53:00 - [35] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: can someone say qq, get over this lag BS our japanese players are just that much better than most people on this game, stop blaming something as real as the loch ness monster L-O-L Dont worry, i'll get some video proof of them lagging around dude to ****-tier internet. How about they play on Asian servers? Then i'll join and kick their butts because they CANT hit me. based on your logic why don't you go into the asian severs and lag in there and pile up the kills Hint hint Its because I dont need a crutch. Hint hint it just sad you think thats the only reason why our japanese players are good
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:56:00 - [36] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: can someone say qq, get over this lag BS our japanese players are just that much better than most people on this game, stop blaming something as real as the loch ness monster L-O-L Dont worry, i'll get some video proof of them lagging around dude to ****-tier internet. How about they play on Asian servers? Then i'll join and kick their butts because they CANT hit me. based on your logic why don't you go into the asian severs and lag in there and pile up the kills Hint hint Its because I dont need a crutch. Hint hint it just sad you think thats the only reason why our japanese players are good But they arnt? Iv seen ONE member of your corp ONCE using something that wasnt FOTM. When I can see your members using "gimpy" gear and doing well, then I can say your corp mates might have some skill. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 55	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:56:00 - [37] - Quote Quote: So theres of course the whole scaling factor for 3 AV to kill a tank means 6 tanks requires more players than a team has whatever, then tankers usually respond focus AV then move on to next target whatever. Simple reality to this is- Wait, so you're trying to tell me that your weapons literally stop ***ing working after you kill one tank? Cause if you are you're outright lying. Misrepresenting the argument benefits no one. If it takes 3 players to kill one tank, that doesn't mean it takes 6 players to kill two tanks, because the weapons on those first 3 players still work - it still only takes 3 players to kill a second tank, and a third tank, and a fourth tank, a fifth tank, etc ad infinitum. One av player is a deterrent (unless a vehicle user is incredibly stupid or everything* goes perfectly for the av). Two av players is a threat, three a very s, four or more should be an almost guaranteed kill. As others have said - teamwork for thee but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the av infantry.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 260	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:57:00 - [38] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Meh don't care either way OP Breach FG FTW cuz i newb on tower fixed Heh, you wish, real heavies ground forge How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:57:00 - [39] - Quote I should also like to make another responce to Pothead. Why do you think AV should be solelly spec'd around killing HAVs when there are more vehicles in the game than HAVs? Just some food for thought. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 567	Posted - 2013.11.23 07:58:00 - [40] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: can someone say qq, get over this lag BS our japanese players are just that much better than most people on this game, stop blaming something as real as the loch ness monster L-O-L Dont worry, i'll get some video proof of them lagging around dude to ****-tier internet. How about they play on Asian servers? Then i'll join and kick their butts because they CANT hit me. based on your logic why don't you go into the asian severs and lag in there and pile up the kills Hint hint Its because I dont need a crutch. Hint hint Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses.

Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 260	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:00:00 - [41] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: I should also like to make another responce to Pothead. Why do you think AV should be solelly spec'd around killing HAVs when there are more vehicles in the game than HAVs? Just some food for thought. Because with the nerf of the murder taxi the only real vehicular threat is in fact a HAV. I could be wrong though. How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:01:00 - [42] - Quote This is why i never swot a topic on the forums it just will turn into a thread about hating Nyain San
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:02:00 - [43] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses. Did I mention you were asian, stop smoking so much pot and relearn to read. Might I add I have 3gig unified. So throw your "garbage" internet theory out the window. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 567	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:02:00 - [44] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Quote: So theres of course the whole scaling factor for 3 AV to kill a tank means 6 tanks requires more players than a team has whatever, then tankers usually respond focus AV then move on to next target whatever. Simple reality to this is- Wait, so you're trying to tell me that your weapons literally stop ***ing working after you kill one tank? Cause if you are you're outright lying. Misrepresenting the argument benefits no one. If it takes 3 players to kill one tank, that doesn't mean it takes 6 players to kill two tanks, because the weapons on those first 3 players still work - it still only takes 3 players to kill a second tank, and a third tank, and a fourth tank, a fifth tank, etc ad infinitum. One av player is a deterrent (unless a vehicle user is incredibly stupid or everything* goes perfectly for the av). Two av players is a threat, three a very s, four or more should be an almost guaranteed kill. As others have said - teamwork for thee but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the av infantry. Dude...did you even read the next paragraph? You didn't even understand that one...omg can the playerbase really be this stupid?...Oh wait the troll threads prove that everyday on here lollll.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:03:00 - [45] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: This is why i never swot a topic on the forums it just will turn into a thread about hating Nyain San Yes, when you bring up how ****** others must be. Instead of you know, talking about the matter at hand Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:03:00 - [46] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses. Did I mention you were asian, stop smoking so much pot and relearn to read. Might I add I have 3gig unified. So through your "garbage" internet theory out the window. how do you know our japanese players have a garbage internet connection?
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 55	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:04:00 - [47] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Quote: So theres of course the whole scaling factor for 3 AV to kill a tank means 6 tanks requires more players than a team has whatever, then tankers usually respond focus AV then move on to next target whatever. Simple reality to this is- Wait, so you're trying to tell me that your weapons literally stop ***ing working after you kill one tank? Cause if you are you're outright lying. Misrepresenting the argument benefits no one. If it takes 3 players to kill one tank, that doesn't mean it takes 6 players to kill two tanks, because the weapons on those first 3 players still work - it still only takes 3 players to kill a second tank, and a third tank, and a fourth tank, a fifth tank, etc ad infinitum. One av player is a deterrent (unless a vehicle user is incredibly stupid or everything* goes perfectly for the av). Two av players is a threat, three a very s, four or more should be an almost guaranteed kill. As others have said - teamwork for thee but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the av infantry. Dude...did you even read the next paragraph? You didn't even understand that one...omg can the playerbase really be this stupid?...Oh wait the troll threads prove that everyday on here lollll. There were paragraphs there? I didn't see any.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 567	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:05:00 - [48] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: I should also like to make another responce to Pothead. Why do you think AV should be solelly spec'd around killing HAVs when there are more vehicles in the game than HAVs? Just some food for thought. Because with the nerf of the murder taxi the only real vehicular threat is in fact a HAV. I could be wrong though. Nope your right, the charybdis can no longer slaughter infantry and dropships are unbelievably squishy and UP so LAVs and dropships are unimportant.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:05:00 - [49] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses. Did I mention you were asian, stop smoking so much pot and relearn to read. Might I add I have 3gig unified. So through your "garbage" internet theory out the window. how do you know our japanese players have a garbage internet connection? They have horrible ping to NA battle servers. It happens with connection degredation over expancive areas. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:07:00 - [50] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses. Did I mention you were asian, stop smoking so much pot and relearn to read. Might I add I have 3gig unified. So through your "garbage" internet theory out the window. how do you know our japanese players have a garbage internet connection? They have horrible ping to NA battle servers. It happens with connection degredation over expancive areas. stop your bitching they are just better at dust than you

THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 567	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:09:00 - [51] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses. Did I mention you were asian, stop smoking so much pot and relearn to read. Might I add I have 3gig unified. So throw your "garbage" internet theory out the window. Wasn't talking specifically about you but if you're still claiming that we lag you're either a liar or just fool yourself into believing your own excuses.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:11:00 - [52] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses. Did I mention you were asian, stop smoking so much pot and relearn to read. Might I add I have 3gig unified. So throw your "garbage" internet theory out the window. Wasn't talking specifically about you but if you're still claiming that we lag you're either a liar or just fool yourself into believing your own excuses. or he just reads what people say on the forums about us
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:11:00 - [53] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses. Did I mention you were asian, stop smoking so much pot and relearn to read. Might I add I have 3gig unified. So through your "garbage" internet theory out the window. how do you know our japanese players have a garbage internet connection? They have horrible ping to NA battle servers. It happens with connection degredation over expancive areas. stop your QQing they are just better at dust than you and are you mad because our japanese player recently pub stomped you?? lol, say again im QQing. Contridict Pothead again as well. This is giving me the giggles. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:13:00 - [54] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses. Did I mention you were asian, stop smoking so much pot and relearn to read. Might I add I have 3gig unified. So throw your "garbage" internet theory out the window. Wasn't talking specifically about you but if you're still claiming that we lag you're either a liar or just fool yourself into believing your own excuses. Tell me again how you wernt talking about me Quote: You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:13:00 - [55] - Quote ok you are QQing
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:14:00 - [56] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: ok you are QQing Couldnt figure out how to remove some quotes? Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 255	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:15:00 - [57] - Quote Pfft, japs that think they're ENTITLED to stating they're better than us. Yes, i will state that, in general you guys have SOLO skill. But when it comes to teamwork, you make the shittiest plans ever. That or you just rely on broken mechanics CONSTANTLY. Also for the record- 15gig internet, my ps3 IS plugged in, and 99% of the time, when im playing nothing else drags my internet. Also in 80% of my matches things go incredibly well. Then i meet you guys. Framerate drops instantly to 3fps, controls respond almoat a whole second late. And you wanna know why? Because you're asian, and you spam equipments whilst your system has been modified to allow the extra toll placed by ALL THAT DAMN EQUIPMENT. Then you grab the splashiest, most face rapingest weapons you can find, and spam them in our face. Pretty goddamned cowardly if you ask me. Need i restate this is EVERY match you're in? -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 567	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:16:00 - [58] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Our asian players do play on asian servers and our american players play on NA servers, you're just garbage. You think I'm japanese? NO. OBVIOUSLY. Yet people claim I'm a laggy jap dude who needs to play on his own server. Newsflash, high speed internet. That why I have good hit detection. You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. ON EVERYONE, IN ALL ONLINE SHOOTERS. Laugh so hard when scrubs make excuses. Did I mention you were asian, stop smoking so much pot and relearn to read. Might I add I have 3gig unified. So throw your "garbage" internet theory out the window. Wasn't talking specifically about you but if you're still claiming that we lag you're either a liar or just fool yourself into believing your own excuses. Tell me again how you wernt talking about me Quote: You? garbage internet that makes you have bad hit detection. I was saying that about the people claiming I'm a laggy jap dude. Like I said in the sentence before that. Please learn to read.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:16:00 - [59] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: ok you are QQing Couldnt figure out how to remove some quotes? no i know how to do that and its just funny how do you think you are QQing or crying or whining about the lag our japanese players cause
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 410	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:19:00 - [60] - Quote I have personally been in situations where tanks were just OP beyond belief when compared to infantry and what TAP says is 100% true. In PS2 they were tweaking the balance between the 3 faction MBT's the Prowler (TR) the Magrider (VS) and the Vanguard (NC) Magrider is a strafing hill climbing tank that was very good at long ranged engagements. Vanguard is a slow heavily armored thing that did more damage than any other tank but shot much slower Prowler was a dual barreled brawler tank that functioned off the More DAKKA approach to combat, more bullets is better. While they were tweaking the tanks they accidentally broke the prowler, they gave the projectile speeds that rivaled the speed of a sniper round. Also only prowler rounds seemed to have this magical effect of their explosions going through walls. Finally the prowler was able to ohk infanty with each shot be it direct or aoe. Add ontop of this the prowlers ability to deploy, which gave them a much faster firing speed, even faster projectile velocity, a stable platform to fire from, and a higher reload speed prowlers suddenly became the end all be all of the game. You wouldn't see tr anywhere that wasn't in a prowler. Yes infantry could kill them, if you managed to get close enough to hit them in the rear with your ESRL 4 times, the ground lockon and the anihilator were jokes at the time. Oh and if they even looked at you, you were dead because they didn't even have to hit near you. Tanks being too powerful in a combined arms game is a very bad thing.

Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:20:00 - [61] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I was saying that about the people claiming I'm a laggy jap dude. Like I said in the sentence before that. Please learn to read. You're being equivelent to this Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:21:00 - [62] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: ok you are QQing Couldnt figure out how to remove some quotes? no i know how to do that and its just funny how do you think you are not QQing or crying or whining about the lag our japanese players cause Now you're admitting that your japanese players cause lag. Slow clap for being so hypocritical. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:22:00 - [63] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I was saying that about the people claiming I'm a laggy jap dude. Like I said in the sentence before that. Please learn to read. You're being equivelent to this a stick figure? a cartoon?
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 567	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:23:00 - [64] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Pfft, japs that think they're ENTITLED to stating they're better than us. Yes, i will state that, in general you guys have SOLO skill. But when it comes to teamwork, you make the shittiest plans ever. That or you just rely on broken mechanics CONSTANTLY. Also for the record- 15gig internet, my ps3 IS plugged in, and 99% of the time, when im playing nothing else drags my internet. Also in 80% of my matches things go incredibly well. Then i meet you guys. Framerate drops instantly to 3fps, controls respond almoat a whole second late. And you wanna know why? Because you're asian, and you spam equipments whilst your system has been modified to allow the extra toll placed by ALL THAT DAMN EQUIPMENT. Then you grab the splashiest, most face rapingest weapons you can find, and spam them in our face. Pretty goddamned cowardly if you ask me. Need i restate this is EVERY match you're in? I don't even know how to respond to this...? DUDE WE'RE NOT JAPANESE???!! If you have your server setting to automatic it can throw you into an asian server match during asian primetime, likewise for asians during american primetime. Otherwise you're facing american players. And ALL of us have good connections. But sorry bro if 20% of your matches are getting problems especially like 3fps and input delays, you've got some serious problems on your end.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:23:00 - [65] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I was saying that about the people claiming I'm a laggy jap dude. Like I said in the sentence before that. Please learn to read. You're being equivelent to this a stick figure? a cartoon? Dont be so dense. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:25:00 - [66] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: ok you are QQing Couldnt figure out how to remove some quotes? no i know how to do that and its just funny how do you think you are not QQing or crying or whining about the lag our japanese players cause Now you're admitting that your japanese players cause lag. Slow clap for being so hypocritical. wow sorry i miswrote that i meant to say is it funny you don't think you are QQing when you talk about the lag our japanese players cause according to you
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:26:00 - [67] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Pfft, japs that think they're ENTITLED to stating they're better than us. Yes, i will state that, in general you guys have SOLO skill. But when it comes to teamwork, you make the shittiest plans ever. That or you just rely on broken mechanics CONSTANTLY. Also for the record- 15gig internet, my ps3 IS plugged in, and 99% of the time, when im playing nothing else drags my internet. Also in 80% of my matches things go incredibly well. Then i meet you guys. Framerate drops instantly to 3fps, controls respond almoat a whole second late. And you wanna know why? Because you're asian, and you spam equipments whilst your system has been modified to allow the extra toll placed by ALL THAT DAMN EQUIPMENT. Then you grab the splashiest, most face rapingest weapons you can find, and spam them in our face. Pretty goddamned cowardly if you ask me. Need i restate this is EVERY match you're in? I don't even know how to respond to this...? DUDE WE'RE NOT JAPANESE???!! If you have your server setting to automatic it can throw you into an asian server match during asian primetime, likewise for asians during american primetime. Otherwise you're facing american players. And ALL of us have good connections. But sorry bro if 20% of your matches are getting problems especially like 3fps and input delays, you've got some serious problems on your end. What happened to asian players dont play on NA servers? Everyone Iv played with, has had the same problem whenever the Japanese members of Nyain San have joined an NA battle server match. Before you get all "well maybe your playing on Asian servers", I among other have our servers set to NA, not automatic. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:26:00 - [68] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I was saying that about the people claiming I'm a laggy jap dude. Like I said in the sentence before that. Please learn to read. You're being equivelent to this a stick figure? a cartoon? Dont be so dense. he can't be if he's a stick figure
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:26:00 - [69] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: ok you are QQing Couldnt figure out how to remove some quotes? no i know how to do that and its just funny how do you think you are not QQing or crying or whining about the lag our japanese players cause Now you're admitting that your japanese players cause lag. Slow clap for being so hypocritical. wow sorry i miswrote that i meant to say is it funny you don't think you are QQing when you talk about the lag our japanese players cause according to you freudian slip much? lol Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:27:00 - [70] - Quote When I was a member of TRUE TEA BAGGERS (BAGGN) it was normal for us to all run with packed AV grenades. Our squad alone would kill more tanks than I think the next 50. We would even compete on who got the last hit on a tank with 12-18 AV grenades getting thrown at it. All of our gun game was top notch so, we carried AV nades. When we were in match known tankers wouldn't even call a tank into battle. They knew, we would kill them and they would lose ISK.

Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:31:00 - [71] - Quote nope was not a freudian slip just a typo, you really have no proof or any evidence of this lag which you will never be able to prove so you are just one of those players who thinks he's the best at everything so he has to find excuse when he dies and just can't admit when someone is a better player
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 664	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:34:00 - [72] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: nope was not a freudian slip just a typo, you really have no proof or any evidence of this lag once again, you cannot figure out how to quote past 5 qoutes. Good job. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:36:00 - [73] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: nope was not a freudian slip just a typo, you really have no proof or any evidence of this lag once again, you cannot figure out how to quote past 5 qoutes. Good job. im not trying to quote everything I'm just writing stuff when i see something to write about
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 567	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:36:00 - [74] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: When I was a member of TRUE TEA BAGGERS (BAGGN) it was normal for us to all run with packed AV grenades. Our squad alone would kill more tanks than I think the next 50. We would even compete on who got the last hit on a tank with 12-18 AV grenades getting thrown at it. All of our gun game was top notch so, we carried AV nades. When we were in match known tankers wouldn't even call a tank into battle. They knew, we would kill them and they would lose ISK. Exactly, I'm saying multiple AV means Insta death to tanks as is, but when your solo killing a maxed maddy fit is ridiculously hard(unless you're on a rooftop and he doesn't recall), as in how many times have you been without a squad and had enemy proto bears behind an enemy beast tank, and been able to successfully take it out with those AV nades? If the tank or its team sucks, its f*ed, it they don't, you're f*ed.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 567	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:41:00 - [75] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: ok you are QQing Couldnt figure out how to remove some quotes? no i know how to do that and its just funny how do you think you are not QQing or crying or whining about the lag our japanese players cause Now you're admitting that your japanese players cause lag. Slow clap for being so hypocritical. The amount of you stupidity you put there combined with the assumption I was talking about you- was enough to make me hide your posts. Keep seeing what you wanna see, I'm done with you, thanks for keeping my thread at the top of the list.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:41:00 - [76] - Quote Mossellia Delt if you think our corp is garbage why don't you attack one of our district if we are as bad as you say we are so guys so beat us
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 666	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:43:00 - [77] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: ok you are QQing Couldnt figure out how to remove some quotes? no i know how to do that and its just funny how do you think you are not QQing or crying or whining about the lag our japanese players cause Now you're admitting that your japanese players cause lag. Slow clap for being so hypocritical. The amount of you stupidity you put there combined with the assumption I was talking about you- was enough to make me hide your posts. Keep seeing what you wanna see, I'm done with you, thanks for keeping my thread at the top of the list. No problem baby, thank yourself for how stupid you look. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 666	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:44:00 - [78] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt if you think our corp is garbage why don't you attack one of our district if we are as bad as you say we are so guys so beat us You cause too much lag with your japanese players ping and uplink spam. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:45:00 - [79] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt if you think our corp is garbage why don't you attack one of our district if we are as bad as you say we are so guys so beat us You cause too much lag with your japanese players ping and uplink spam. QQing again
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:46:00 - [80] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: When I was a member of TRUE TEA BAGGERS (BAGGN) it was normal for us to all run with packed AV grenades. Our squad alone would kill more tanks than I think the next 50. We would even compete on who got the last hit on a tank with 12-18 AV grenades getting thrown at it. All of our gun game was top notch so, we carried AV nades. When we were in match known tankers wouldn't even call a tank into battle. They knew, we would kill them and they would lose ISK. Exactly, I'm saying multiple AV means Insta death to tanks as is, but when your solo killing a maxed maddy fit is ridiculously hard(unless you're on a rooftop and he doesn't recall), as in how many times have you been without a squad and had enemy proto bears behind an enemy beast tank, and been able to successfully take it out with those AV nades? If the tank or its team sucks, its f*ed, it they don't, you're f*ed. We killed most of them. Like I said we had good gun game so the fact that people are hiding behind a tank didn't matter. Also, once you learn the depths of which is the art of throwing an AV nade, 2-3-4 and then 6-7-8 hitting a tank at the same time usually causes a moment of panic for a pilot or it's death depending on how good he was. I would say that 95% of the tanks were felled though. Normally with 1-2 of us being blastered to new clones. Didn't matter though. Tanks are bad business if you want to win ambush. You can't let the enemy team have them.

Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 666	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:51:00 - [81] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt if you think our corp is garbage why don't you attack one of our district if we are as bad as you say we are so guys so beat us You cause too much lag with your japanese players ping and uplink spam. QQing again and you are just proving how big of a *** you and your corp are I'll be happy to go up against ANY of your players, using the exact same gear and within reasonable ping limits one on one. Find a way to make it happen. Then i`ll show you who`s good. But of course, without protogear and blobbing, along with **** ping..... Might I add, I really could care less how people who uses crutches think? Im sure if my corp had active members they wouldnt care either. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 569	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:54:00 - [82] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: When I was a member of TRUE TEA BAGGERS (BAGGN) it was normal for us to all run with packed AV grenades. Our squad alone would kill more tanks than I think the next 50. We would even compete on who got the last hit on a tank with 12-18 AV grenades getting thrown at it. All of our gun game was top notch so, we carried AV nades. When we were in match known tankers wouldn't even call a tank into battle. They knew, we would kill them and they would lose ISK. Exactly, I'm saying multiple AV means Insta death to tanks as is, but when your solo killing a maxed maddy fit is ridiculously hard(unless you're on a rooftop and he doesn't recall), as in how many times have you been without a squad and had enemy proto bears behind an enemy beast tank, and been able to successfully take it out with those AV nades? If the tank or its team sucks, its f*ed, it they don't, you're f*ed. We killed most of them. Like I said we had good gun game so the fact that people are hiding behind a tank didn't matter. Also, once you learn the depths of which is the art of throwing an AV nade, 2-3-4 and then 6-7-8 hitting a tank at the same time usually causes a moment of panic for a pilot or it's death depending on how good he was. I would say that 95% of the tanks were felled though. Normally with 1-2 of us being blastered to new clones. Didn't matter though. Tanks are bad business if you want to win ambush. You can't let the enemy team have them. Ah but i said solo? I have no doubt a squad or even 2 people can take out any tank backed with its own squad, but lemme see go solo and try to kill our tankers when theyre with our squads. Only successful way would be as i said, to be atop a tower. I think what tankers need to say is they want to be just a bit tougher in general because soloing well fitted maddys is already so unlikely barring tower/rooftop AV, while multiple AV or tower AV means EZ mode.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5324	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:58:00 - [83] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Now how about how in 1.7 a tank will cost around 20 mil SP to max out I don't understand why so many people are bitching about how unfair this is when it takes a very similar amount of SP to max out a dropsuit. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:58:00 - [84] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt if you think our corp is garbage why don't you attack one of our district if we are as bad as you say we are so guys so beat us You cause too much lag with your japanese players ping and uplink spam. QQing again and you are just proving how big of a *** you and your corp are I'll be happy to go up against ANY of your players, using the exact same gear and within reasonable ping limits one on one. Find a way to make it happen. Then i`ll show you who`s good. But of course, without protogear and blobbing, along with **** ping..... you are already making excuses because no matter what you will blame the lag, when you lose so whats the point, you never answered my question from before you have no evidence what so ever of lag being associated with our japanese players that is something you said in the post related to what the amazing pothead said about AV. Just face the facts you suck at this game when compared to our japanese players.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 666	Posted - 2013.11.23 09:02:00 - [85] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt if you think our corp is garbage why don't you attack one of our district if we are as bad as you say we are so guys so beat us You cause too much lag with your japanese players ping and uplink spam. QQing again and you are just proving how big of a *** you and your corp are I'll be happy to go up against ANY of your players, using the exact same gear and within reasonable ping limits one on one. Find a way to make it happen. Then i`ll show you who`s good. But of course, without protogear and blobbing, along with **** ping..... you are already making excuses because no matter what you will blame the lag, when you lose so whats the point, you never answered my question from before you have no evidence what so ever of lag being associated with our japanese players that is something you said in the post related to what the amazing pothead said about AV. Just face the facts you suck at this game when compared to our japanese players. Then i'll request ping numbers from CCP if that'll make you happy. None the less, your jap players need crutches. When most people tell you YOU'RE lagging, its you, not them. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2013.11.23 09:03:00 - [86] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: When I was a member of TRUE TEA BAGGERS (BAGGN) it was normal for us to all run with packed AV grenades. Our squad alone would kill more tanks than I think the next 50. We would even compete on who got the last hit on a tank with 12-18 AV grenades getting thrown at it. All of our gun game was top notch so, we carried AV nades. When we were in match known tankers wouldn't even call a tank into battle. They knew, we would kill them and they would lose ISK. Exactly, I'm saying multiple AV means Insta death to tanks as is, but when your solo killing a maxed maddy fit is ridiculously hard(unless you're on a rooftop and he doesn't recall), as in how many times have you been without a squad and had enemy proto bears behind an enemy beast tank, and been able to successfully take it out with those AV nades? If the tank or its team sucks, its f*ed, it they don't, you're f*ed. We killed most of them. Like I said we had good gun game so the fact that people are hiding behind a tank didn't matter. Also, once you learn the depths of which is the art of throwing an AV nade, 2-3-4 and then 6-7-8 hitting a tank at the same time usually causes a moment of panic for a pilot or it's death depending on how good he was. I would say that 95% of the tanks were felled though. Normally with 1-2 of us being blastered to new clones. Didn't matter though. Tanks are bad business if you want to win ambush. You can't let the enemy team have them. Ah but i said solo? I have no doubt a squad or even 2 people can take out any tank backed with its own squad, but lemme see go solo and try to kill our tankers when theyre with our squads. Only successful way would be as i said, to be atop a tower. I think what tankers need to say is they want to be just a bit tougher in general because soloing well fitted maddys is already so unlikely barring tower/rooftop AV, while multiple AV or tower AV means EZ mode. See, you are only promoting stomping. I'm sure all of your tankers would do great when against an unorganized gaggle of mercs. They probably kill them all. BADASS dude. badmuthafukinass. I would bet though, that geronimo, tyberious and myself would kill your whole squad and get a tank kill with just the 3 of us. Unfortunately, I never see them online anymore so this has to be all theory talk.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 09:10:00 - [87] - Quote All i can say to Mossellia Delt is every single japanese player is better than you. What crutches are you talking about, you are just bitching because they kill you. You need to understand that they are better than the majority of the people who play this game. What crutches are you talking about? if you say this lag BS you need to stop reading the forums. What proto logi suits? The fact they run proto gear all the time why?Because they all have over 100 million isk so they are going to run proto gear all the time because they can afford to. BTW do you even know who are japanese players are i would be interested to see you name them. One more thing you do know Jap is an offensive slur right?
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 569	Posted - 2013.11.23 09:15:00 - [88] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: When I was a member of TRUE TEA BAGGERS (BAGGN) it was normal for us to all run with packed AV grenades. Our squad alone would kill more tanks than I think the next 50. We would even compete on who got the last hit on a tank with 12-18 AV grenades getting thrown at it. All of our gun game was top notch so, we carried AV nades. When we were in match known tankers wouldn't even call a tank into battle. They knew, we would kill them and they would lose ISK. Exactly, I'm saying multiple AV means Insta death to tanks as is, but when your solo killing a maxed maddy fit is ridiculously hard(unless you're on a rooftop and he doesn't recall), as in how many times have you been without a squad and had enemy proto bears behind an enemy beast tank, and been able to successfully take it out with those AV nades? If the tank or its team sucks, its f*ed, it they don't, you're fed. We killed most of them. Like I said we had good gun game so the fact that people are hiding behind a tank didn't matter. Also, once you learn the depths of which is the art of throwing an AV nade, 2-3-4 and then 6-7-8 hitting a tank at the same time usually causes a moment of panic for a pilot or it's death depending on how good he was. I would say that 95% of the tanks were felled though. Normally with 1-2 of us being blastered to new clones. Didn't matter though. Tanks are bad business if you want to win ambush. You can't let the enemy team have them. Ah but i said solo? I have no doubt a squad or even 2 people can take out any tank backed with its own squad, but lemme see go solo and try to kill our tankers when theyre with our squads. Only successful way would be as i said, to be atop a tower. I think what tankers need to say is they want to be just a bit tougher in general because soloing well fitted maddys is already so unlikely barring tower/rooftop AV, while multiple AV or tower AV means EZ mode. See, you are only promoting stomping. I'm sure all of your tankers would do great when against an unorganized gaggle of mercs. They probably kill them all. BADASS dude. badmuthafukinass. I would bet though, that geronimo, tyberious and myself would kill your whole squad and get a tank kill with just the 3 of us. Unfortunately, I never see them online anymore so this has to be all theory talk. LOLOLOL dude I play with geronimo alot we're homies, why don't you run that scenario by him:d But i was just using us as an example before you started raging- im simply saying soloing tanks is ridiculously hard unless youre on a high point, and multiple AV or high points mean tanks are f**ed and get destroyed.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 666	Posted - 2013.11.23 09:16:00 - [89] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: All i can say to Mossellia Delt is every single japanese player is better than you. What crutches are you talking about, you are just bitching because they kill you. You need to understand that they are better than the majority of the people who play this game. What crutches are you talking about? if you say this lag BS you need to stop reading the forums. What proto logi suits? The fact they run proto gear all the time why?Because they all have over 100 million isk so they are going to run proto gear all the time because they can afford to. BTW do you even know who are japanese players are i would be interested to see you name them. One more thing you do know Jap is an offensive slur right? My friend on IRC seems to have video proof of your players lagging. Should I also tell you his name is Gimble, the guy who does the boots on the ground podcast. Currently asking for the vid to shut you up. Gonna add, that again , you couldnt quote me. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 161	Posted - 2013.11.23 09:18:00 - [90] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: All i can say to Mossellia Delt is every single japanese player is better than you. What crutches are you talking about, you are just bitching because they kill you. You need to understand that they are better than the majority of the people who play this game. What crutches are you talking about? if you say this lag BS you need to stop reading the forums. What proto logi suits? The fact they run proto gear all the time why?Because they all have over 100 million isk so they are going to run proto gear all the time because they can afford to. BTW do you even know who are japanese players are i would be interested to see you name them. One more thing you do know Jap is an offensive slur right? My friend on IRC seems to have video proof of your players lagging. Should I also tell you his name is Gimble, the guy who does the boots on the ground podcast. Currently asking for the vid to shut you up. Gonna add, that again , you couldnt quote me. if its a pc game it proves nothing everyone lags in that

Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 666	Posted - 2013.11.23 09:21:00 - [91] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: All i can say to Mossellia Delt is every single japanese player is better than you. What crutches are you talking about, you are just bitching because they kill you. You need to understand that they are better than the majority of the people who play this game. What crutches are you talking about? if you say this lag BS you need to stop reading the forums. What proto logi suits? The fact they run proto gear all the time why?Because they all have over 100 million isk so they are going to run proto gear all the time because they can afford to. BTW do you even know who are japanese players are i would be interested to see you name them. One more thing you do know Jap is an offensive slur right? My friend on IRC seems to have video proof of your players lagging. Should I also tell you his name is Gimble, the guy who does the boots on the ground podcast. Currently asking for the vid to shut you up. Gonna add, that again , you couldnt quote me. if its a pc game it proves nothing everyone lags in that Getting a bit nervous? Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2013.11.23 09:23:00 - [92] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: All i can say to Mossellia Delt is every single japanese player is better than you. What crutches are you talking about, you are just bitching because they kill you. You need to understand that they are better than the majority of the people who play this game. What crutches are you talking about? if you say this lag BS you need to stop reading the forums. What proto logi suits? The fact they run proto gear all the time why?Because they all have over 100 million isk so they are going to run proto gear all the time because they can afford to. BTW do you even know who are japanese players are i would be interested to see you name them. One more thing you do know Jap is an offensive slur right? Japanese/Nyain don't scare me. Infact I feel they hunt me down because they know that if they don't I will kill them. Sure they got loads of SP and normally work together but they are not Godzilla. Just other guys playing a game. I have never seen actual talent from them other than sticking together as a team. Their tanks die, their proto suits die. They are only scary because people are pussies. Pure and simple fact.
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 112	Posted - 2013.11.23 09:29:00 - [93] - Quote well this is an amusing thread. i mean it turn from the original topic of why teamwork av i apparently a waste to a pointless argument of nyan sain vs the world. but if u would mind, i would like to make a few inputs of my own and will do so in a modest manner. anyways i do hv a tanker alt so i do hv a general idea about this av/vehicle balance stuff but feel free to express your opinion on the matter. the situation can be quite a gamble at times during the battlefield and the efficiency of the tank can depend on the blueberrys you fight alongside with and thus the tank may seem op or up but thats usually due to how your infantry allies react to av units and enemy tanks. the same can be said for av, teamwork is essential and dynamic to take down such a behemoth foe but if ur blueberry assault unit does not keep the ground forces busy, you may be targeted. many tried using logi lav to sneak around to the tank and hammer at it with av wich is effective but as i said that takes teamwork. however there is an issue with ppl with swarms moving around so erratically to dodge ur turrets which can be a problem to deal with though i do prefer nullifying their ability to jump or slowing movement wen locking on instead of nerfing their damage at such high levels. a damage dropoff for forgeguns is reasonable as well. and about nyan sain, i fought them before and their incredibly difficult to deal with. but its not due to their skill but due to incredible teamwork and the infamous zergrush and equipment spam tactic. i dnt remember much lag from them though a had a few below average latency matches but nothing big. i cant say much about the fotm thing since i dnt see the killfeed since im focused on my surroundings and i was mainly nova knifing. and guys dnt be hating on nyan sain and nyan sain dnt be hating on ppl and saying they suk or watever but if u wanna continue this war go right ahead lol, but such teams can be beaten. u just need to counter various tactics with the right allies and teamwork and it shouldnt be such an issue to deal with. eon can beat them and actually anyone can with the right mindset. but life always have unexpected moments so we shall see how it goes, carry on gentleman by the way, the "go attack a district if ur so good" excuse is illogical and pathetic since the majority dnt even bother with pc nor its space drama Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1316	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:25:00 - [94] - Quote No, that one AV team travels around destroying all the tanks. You're making it seem worse by requiring different people for each tank. It's a crock. Stop hugely inflating your argument to make it seem far worse than it is presently. One guy with MLT swarms keeps all vehicles at bay. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 129	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:34:00 - [95] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: No, that one AV team travels around destroying all the tanks. You're making it seem worse by requiring different people for each tank. It's a crock. Stop hugely inflating your argument to make it seem far worse than it is presently. One guy with MLT swarms keeps all vehicles at bay. it's actually just STD, or all SL and even MLT forge guns destroy dropships fast recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 571	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:43:00 - [96] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: No, that one AV team travels around destroying all the tanks. You're making it seem worse by requiring different people for each tank. It's a crock. Stop hugely inflating your argument to make it seem far worse than it is presently. One guy with MLT swarms keeps all vehicles at bay. you just read the first paragraph and you didnt even get that >_> the first paragraph said thats what the typical excuse is and thats what the tankers typical response is -.- you just proved that point -.- Please read thoroughly next time. A guy with MLT swarms cannot do anything, not even keep a tank at bay. Try using a starter fit against a fully fitted maddy or gunny and say that again. A MLT swarm can help other AV rack up damage though. But if your tanks getting held back by MLT swarms you're made of fail. That being said proto AV can certainly deny a tank by itself, but unless you're using prof5 3 dmg mods swarms on a maddy its unlikely you'll be able to solo kill a maxed out maddy unless you're on a tower. Tanks get screwed by 3 things that totally f*** them- sudden multiple AV rooftop AV explosive to armor damage being glitched(grenades do extra damage to dropsuit armor, as do MD, and AV nades and swarms to tanks) seeing as how CCP is already balancing tanks though this thread doesn't matter, but i thought i should just say it like it is.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1318	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:46:00 - [97] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: No, that one AV team travels around destroying all the tanks. You're making it seem worse by requiring different people for each tank. It's a crock. Stop hugely inflating your argument to make it seem far worse than it is presently. One guy with MLT swarms keeps all vehicles at bay. you just read the first paragraph and you didnt even get that >_> the first paragraph said thats what the typical excuse is and thats what the tankers typical response is -.- you just proved that point -.- Please read thoroughly next time. A guy with MLT swarms cannot do anything, not even keep a tank at bay. Try using a starter fit against a fully fitted maddy or gunny and say that again. A MLT swarm can help other AV rack up damage though. But if your tanks getting held back by MLT swarms you're made of fail. That being said proto AV can certainly deny a tank by itself, but unless you're using prof5 3 dmg mods swarms on a maddy its unlikely you'll be able to solo kill a maxed out maddy unless you're on a tower. Tanks get screwed by 3 things that totally f*** them- sudden multiple AV rooftop AV explosive to armor damage being glitched(grenades do extra damage to dropsuit armor, as do MD, and AV nades and swarms to tanks) seeing as how CCP is already balancing tanks though this thread doesn't matter, but i thought i should just say it like it is. You must think I'm some kind of idiot. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 272	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:48:00 - [98] - Quote It's obvious that one AV has to be able to take out one tank. If you have a highly specialized role like AV, that is weak doing anything except it's one speciality (hunting vehicles), it has to excel in that role - it has to be better than anything else at it. So if AV is to be viable, one AV has to be able to take out one tank more easily than another tank can. Otherwise the generalist role of tanker, which is great versus vehicles and infantry, will beat the specialist role (AV) even at its own game. For AV to be a viable role, it must be possible to solo a tank.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 571	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:57:00 - [99] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: No, that one AV team travels around destroying all the tanks. You're making it seem worse by requiring different people for each tank. It's a crock. Stop hugely inflating your argument to make it seem far worse than it is presently. One guy with MLT swarms keeps all vehicles at bay. you just read the first paragraph and you didnt even get that >_> the first paragraph said thats what the typical excuse is and thats what the tankers typical response is -.- you just proved that point -.- Please read thoroughly next time. A guy with MLT swarms cannot do anything, not even keep a tank at bay. Try using a starter fit against a fully fitted maddy or gunny and say that again. A MLT swarm can help other AV rack up damage though. But if your tanks getting held back by MLT swarms you're made of fail. That being said proto AV can certainly deny a tank by itself, but unless you're using prof5 3 dmg mods swarms on a maddy its unlikely you'll be able to solo kill a maxed out maddy unless you're on a tower. Tanks get screwed by 3 things that totally f* them- sudden multiple AV rooftop AV explosive to armor damage being glitched(grenades do extra damage to dropsuit armor, as do MD, and AV nades and swarms to tanks) seeing as how CCP is already balancing tanks though this thread doesn't matter, but i thought i should just say it like it is. You must think I'm some kind of idiot. Only because of the people who have already posted. I'm sure what I'm saying seems obvious, but thats the point- tanks are UP when they're in those situations and tanks are OP when they're not. However when we had the charybdis r@ping errrbody, barely anyone even bothered to pull out AV because all you could do was put a dent in it. (unless the driver was stupid) so i'd be worried if tanks were as difficult to kill they'd do the same. Thats how dust players are, why stay together with your blueberries when you think they'll get stomped, why try? why try to kill a charybdis when u'll die over and over and probably not succeed? why try to kill a tank when u'll die over and over and probably not succeed? we'd rather just go off on our own so our KDR doesn't get ****, or in the case of noobies, so we dont lose isk.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1083	Posted - 2013.11.23 11:21:00 - [100] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Nice one sided view Now how about how in 1.7 a tank will cost around 20 mil SP to max out and how they'll still cost boatloads of money. Now lets look at how much SP and isk a well fitted FG costs. you dont run a proto weapon on a Militia dropsuit, speccing into an infantry role costs 23m sp with 1 weapon maxed out. I don't know why you guys keep doing the Full specced 20m SP vehicle vs Full Specced single Weapon comparison, its like comparing apples & oranges.... at least compare the Full specced Proto Tank weapon in a Militia Tank vs that Militia fit proto FG.... Also nobody is forcing you to spam tanks, their cost should not reflect how powerfull they are, but add a certain dynamic to the game is played, last time CCP balanced ISK vs Power, we had Titans kliing off entire fleets of ships in one shot....and warping merely off right after.... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"

8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 787	Posted - 2013.11.23 11:33:00 - [101] - Quote Infantry hates tanks. Tankers hate losing their expensive tanks. When a Tank is in the right situation, it will wreck an entire team. If 3 or more tanks are in a match (like... oh lets say Bear, AddictPunk, and Lopez.... because gosh forbid Nyain San ever stomp against a decent team and not just noobs) they have free reign on the battlefield and will not be stopped. Trying to use AV against triple hardeners is so frustrating. The HAV is just going to run away (because tankers know to retreat) and come back in for another pass once he has another cycle. Plus, you're opened up to infantry assaults when you're trying to take down HAV(s). But, when the AVer has the high ground, and the tank is in the open and his escape route isn't concealed (like he should be) the Tank pops like a balloon. Every game is situational. sometimes, AVers are in a position where they just can't bring down a Tank, so they give up. And sometimes Tankers are in a situation where they're aren't getting off the battlefield in one piece. Especially if a HAV has a stupid blueberry in it, so the driver can't recall. There is no defense for a FG or Swarm that has high ground. A tank can't reach them, so that in itself isn't fair, but once again it's situational. I've walked up to HAVs and threw 3 AV grenades at them and they popped before they even knew what hit them. But, that was once again situational. The HAV driver was not being aware and was improperly fit without a scanner. Some games, I can single handedly destroy 3 HAVs and keep a 4th one hidden behind his red line until the game is over, or he recalls. Other days, I can't make a dent on a HAV no matter what I do. Tank drivers are naturally cowards, because they don't want to lose ISK. The good ones (like good infantry players) pick their battles. Lately, I'm not seeing HAVs get called in the beginning of matches. I'm seeing them get called in half way through when the other team is already stomped, so the tankers thinks he has a good chance of not losing his HAV.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 129	Posted - 2013.11.23 11:37:00 - [102] - Quote "FREEI've walked up to HAVs and threw 3 AV grenades at them and they popped before they even knew what hit them. But, that was once again situational. The HAV driver was not being aware and was improperly fit without a scanner" no, thats just abusing OP AV NADES, even with a scanner he still would have died recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 788	Posted - 2013.11.23 11:50:00 - [103] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Mossellia Delt if you think our corp is garbage why don't you attack one of our district if we are as bad as you say we are so guys so beat us You cause too much lag with your japanese players ping and uplink spam. QQing again and you are just proving how big of a *** you and your corp are I'll be happy to go up against ANY of your players, using the exact same gear and within reasonable ping limits one on one. Find a way to make it happen. Then i`ll show you who`s good. But of course, without protogear and blobbing, along with **** ping..... you are already making excuses because no matter what you will blame the lag, when you lose so whats the point, you never answered my question from before you have no evidence what so ever of lag being associated with our japanese players. Just face the facts you suck at this game when compared to our japanese players. How come I don't receive messages from you anymore? Since the day I topped your entire squad, you went silent... I miss you... I miss you lots...
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1478	Posted - 2013.11.23 12:10:00 - [104] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: i have this feeling that most of the people above me read about a paragraph. Oh wait, people always post on a long thread without reading it and then discredit all logic and insert their own, silly me- thats forums 101. Give hard math, non situational or ancedontal evidence and list it all in a clear, prefurably bullet point like manner or using a spreadsheet. I gave math and the situations i presented happen 95% of the time. Please gtfo if you can't realise that because you're either retard3d, or not involved with AV or tanks much. Agreed pothead, those people are fking ridiculous, they treat the game like some kind of professional number crunching job lol. I still think I'll be able to pull up and solo any tank, I don't think it will make much difference, 1 swarm volley, 3 av nades followed by one last swarm volley, works every time and can down any tank in roughly 8-10 seconds. Some idiot used math to try and tell me it takes about 30 seconds to blow up and tank, he was right on paper but not in reality, he was a true idiot. Edit: we shall see though. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2013.11.23 12:27:00 - [105] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: LOLOLOL dude I play with geronimo alot we're homies, why don't you run that scenario by him:d But i was just using us as an example before you started raging- im simply saying soloing tanks is ridiculously hard unless youre on a high point, and multiple AV or high points mean tanks are f*ed and get destroyed. Where do you think i got the idea from? Geronimo!!!! Hell he is the one that would always ask, "Rowdy you got AVs right" and I would say you know me and we would kill the ** out of tanks.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1755	Posted - 2013.11.23 12:39:00 - [106] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: No name calling-just simple reality here. So theres of course the whole scaling factor for 3 AV to kill a tank means 6 tanks requires more players than a team has Stopped reading there I am a vehicle pilot, i also have proto AV and this is how you take out a number of tanks on the field This is already a joke because a vehicle pilot has to tell you how to take out vehicles This is what you do If you have 3 AV guys, you focus fire on 1 tank and destroy it, then move onto another tank and so on until you have killed or pushed back the tanks Its not hard
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 192	Posted - 2013.11.23 12:45:00 - [107] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: No name calling-just simple reality here. So theres of course the whole scaling factor for 3 AV to kill a tank means 6 tanks requires more players than a team has Stopped reading there I am a vehicle pilot, i also have proto AV and this is how you take out a number of tanks on the field This is already a joke because a vehicle pilot has to tell you how to take out vehicles This is what you do If you have 3 AV guys, you focus fire on 1 tank and destroy it, then move onto another tank and so on until you have killed or pushed back the tanks Its not hard Pub match pukes. They will never understand that there is the ability for a team to one shot their tanks with AV. Are these the same people that are saying TTK is too low????????? Just curios.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 814	Posted - 2013.11.23 12:47:00 - [108] - Quote ? why cant the same 3 av user that killed the first tank kill the other 5? see this is where people are wrong av is a role..3 av units 1 tank are capable generally of declaring a field vehicle free...meaning no vehicle would be capable of being effective vs infantry because they would have to deal with us first...now generall an av team consists of an ambush team and a long range high dps forger... so with the only exception being all 6 tanks are on mic together protecting one another it will only take 3 to deal with any number of tanks..the only time this changes is when coordinated tanking av tactics are introduced on the enemy side... when that happens your av team changes from an av team to an av/tank team and meets them tactically..the role of guardian and /vehicle master compliment each other and in official tactical warfare it requires skill dedication and team work to deny an enemy team their vehicles.. so look at it this way atm you have scouts logis slayers heavies..and an effective team uses a mixture of all to stomp the enemy the tactically counter the enemies infantry and push for our objectives whatever they are while that fight is going on there is supposed to be another fight av/vehicle vs av /vehicle...there is no reason for infantry to do anything out side in balanced av tank warfare..the open and exposed objective are the goal of the av tanking team as they are best fitted to be out in the open and counter the threats open space brings...snipers vehicles av.. right now the fight is infantry vs infantry an occasional vehicle specc pokes their head in and gets dealt with by infantry..normally not even 33% specced with no real exp...this game has lost half its depth when tanks were nerfed to **...and only those of us who participated in closed beta..in competitive fights can tell u how much has been lost... when vehicles are balanced the depth will be back on a whole new level...and if you look at the newer maps..the building allow for more isolation from vehicles...this means in the scenario where the enemy tanking /av tactics are stonger and vehicles go ona rampage there is some means to control your exposure to that...which in turn will naturally lower the slaughter when it comes to exp players.... old dust had no safe space against vehicles...after uprising that changed..and to be honest with vehicles so up it out them in an even more **** position...back in the day if your vehicle av team got wiped out and tanks started rolling across the field you had no where to hide..people need to stop crying about tanks becoming legit again..it will not be like last time dust is in a completely different state map wise
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2982	Posted - 2013.11.23 13:03:00 - [109] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Now how about how in 1.7 a tank will cost around 20 mil SP to max out I don't understand why so many people are bitching about how unfair this is when it takes a very similar amount of SP to max out a dropsuit. qft. bitchez
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 162	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:45:00 - [110] - Quote still waiting on that video 8213 what game are you talking about? The last few times i have seen you in a hame you usually leave during the game

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 867	Posted - 2013.11.26 05:03:00 - [111] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: . . An appropriately fitted maddy takes 10 IAFG(prof5, 2 damage mods) shots in a row to kill an armor upgrades level 5(10% base resistance) 120mm poly plate with a heavy repper & 3 active hardeners.(2 hardeners 180mm plate pg exp is inferior to this fit). . . As you opened the topic, I gotta ask: what's the math behind that claim? While comparing EHP my results are different. Not sure if you said there that because of Power Grid expedinture that 120mm version is better, yes that is true as it does have far more free PG. But looked like you were talking purely of survivability there? Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 867	Posted - 2013.11.26 05:21:00 - [112] - Quote 8213 wrote: Infantry hates tanks. Tankers hate losing their expensive tanks. When a Tank is in the right situation, it will wreck an entire team. If 3 or more tanks are in a match (like... oh lets say Bear, AddictPunk, and Lopez.... because gosh forbid Nyain San ever stomp against a decent team and not just noobs) they have free reign on the battlefield and will not be stopped. Trying to use AV against triple hardeners is so frustrating. The HAV is just going to run away (because tankers know to retreat) and come back in for another pass once he has another cycle. Plus, you're opened up to infantry assaults when you're trying to take down HAV(s). But, when the AVer has the high ground, and the tank is in the open and his escape route isn't concealed (like he should be) the Tank pops like a balloon. Every game is situational. sometimes, AVers are in a position where they just can't bring down a Tank, so they give up. And sometimes Tankers are in a situation where they're aren't getting off the battlefield in one piece. Especially if a HAV has a stupid blueberry in it, so the driver can't recall. There is no defense for a FG or Swarm that has high ground. A tank can't reach them, so that in itself isn't fair, but once again it's situational. I've walked up to HAVs and threw 3 AV grenades at them and they popped before they even knew what hit them. But, that was once again situational. The HAV driver was not being aware and was improperly fit without a scanner. Some games, I can single handedly destroy 3 HAVs and keep a 4th one hidden behind his red line until the game is over, or he recalls. Other days, I can't make a dent on a HAV no matter what I do. Tank drivers are naturally cowards, because they don't want to lose ISK. The good ones (like good infantry players) pick their battles. Lately, I'm not seeing HAVs get called in the beginning of matches. I'm seeing them get called in half way through when the other team is already stomped, so the tankers thinks he has a good chance of not losing his HAV. ^ This is the best post of the thread. Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
CharCharOdell 1689	Posted - 2013.11.26 06:08:00 - [113] - Quote tank is a hard counter to a tank. it worked fine in chrome because there were a lot of us and every battle ended up as 2-4 tankers/team slugging it out with rails. now that most tankers are gone, youll be lucky to have 1 on your team because ya'll nerfed us to death and most quit or specced out of tanks. it works the same way as snipers- the only counter to a sniper is a sniper or a rail and nobody complains about that. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 321	Posted - 2013.11.26 07:13:00 - [114] - Quote I disagree.tTeamwork should be encouraged.
Kira Takizawa Ethereal Eden 51	Posted - 2013.11.26 07:59:00 - [115] - Quote I believe AR's and ScR are the key to most things now :/
Kira Takizawa Ethereal Eden 51	Posted - 2013.11.26 08:09:00 - [116] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: still waiting on that video 8213 what game are you talking about? The last few times i have seen you in a game you usually leave during the game, I still don't know why you think Nyain San is garbage Cause all people see you guys doing is running full proto in pubs which = crutches then you spam uplinks and nades,tanks and whatever else y'all can get your hands on.. It's starting to get worse as time goes by. :( Plus I don't know why you tend to care about your reputation since y'all seem to not care about the longitivity of this game. (Pubstomping and trying to justify just how good y'all claim to be.)
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 818	Posted - 2013.11.26 11:05:00 - [117] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: still waiting on that video 8213 what game are you talking about? The last few times i have seen you in a game you usually leave during the game, I still don't know why you think Nyain San is garbage I leave maybe one game per week, son. I forget the actual game, but you messaged me on these forums and in game tons. Then, one day, I'm on your team, and I outscored all 6 of you combined in WP and KDR... I sent you a message to pretty much give myself a high five, and I never heard from you ever again, like so many that call me out on this forum or in the game... And Nyain San is garbage because they just exploit bed mechanics and FoTMs. Not to mention they can't even win a pub match against a a team of randoms more than 50% of the time... I don't have much against any individual in the Corp, just the Corp as a whole.


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