if its a pc game it proves nothing everyone lags in that

All i can say to Mossellia Delt is every single japanese player is better than you. What crutches are you talking about, you are just bitching because they kill you. You need to understand that they are better than the majority of the people who play this game. What crutches are you talking about? if you say this lag BS you need to stop reading the forums. What proto logi suits? The fact they run proto gear all the time why?Because they all have over 100 million isk so they are going to run proto gear all the time because they can afford to. BTW do you even know who are japanese players are i would be interested to see you name them. One more thing you do know Jap is an offensive slur right?

No, that one AV team travels around destroying all the tanks. You're making it seem worse by requiring different people for each tank. It's a crock. Stop hugely inflating your argument to make it seem far worse than it is presently. One guy with MLT swarms keeps all vehicles at bay.

No, that one AV team travels around destroying all the tanks. You're making it seem worse by requiring different people for each tank. It's a crock. Stop hugely inflating your argument to make it seem far worse than it is presently. One guy with MLT swarms keeps all vehicles at bay.

you just read the first paragraph and you didnt even get that >_>
the first paragraph said thats what the typical excuse is and thats what the tankers typical response is -.- you just proved that point -.-
Please read thoroughly next time.
A guy with MLT swarms cannot do anything, not even keep a tank at bay. Try using a starter fit against a fully fitted maddy or gunny and say that again.
A MLT swarm can help other AV rack up damage though.
But if your tanks getting held back by MLT swarms you're made of fail.
That being said proto AV can certainly deny a tank by itself, but unless you're using prof5 3 dmg mods swarms on a maddy its unlikely you'll be able to solo kill a maxed out maddy unless you're on a tower.
Tanks get screwed by 3 things that totally f*** them-
sudden multiple AV
rooftop AV
explosive to armor damage being glitched(grenades do extra damage to dropsuit armor, as do MD, and AV nades and swarms to tanks)
seeing as how CCP is already balancing tanks though this thread doesn't matter, but i thought i should just say it like it is.

You must think I'm some kind of idiot.

Nice one sided view

Now how about how in 1.7 a tank will cost around 20 mil SP to max out and how they'll still cost boatloads of money.

Now lets look at how much SP and isk a well fitted FG costs.

you are already making excuses because no matter what you will blame the lag, when you lose so whats the point, you never answered my question from before you have no evidence what so ever of lag being associated with our japanese players. Just face the facts you suck at this game when compared to our japanese players.

I gave math and the situations i presented happen 95% of the time. Please gtfo if you can't realise that because you're either retard3d, or not involved with AV or tanks much.

LOLOLOL dude I play with geronimo alot we're homies, why don't you run that scenario by him:d
But i was just using us as an example before you started raging- im simply saying soloing tanks is ridiculously hard unless youre on a high point, and multiple AV or high points mean tanks are f***ed and get destroyed.

No name calling-just simple reality here.

So theres of course the whole scaling factor for 3 AV to kill a tank means 6 tanks requires more players than a team has

Stopped reading there

I am a vehicle pilot, i also have proto AV and this is how you take out a number of tanks on the field

This is already a joke because a vehicle pilot has to tell you how to take out vehicles

This is what you do

If you have 3 AV guys, you focus fire on 1 tank and destroy it, then move onto another tank and so on until you have killed or pushed back the tanks

Its not hard

I don't understand why so many people are bitching about how unfair this is when it takes a very similar amount of SP to max out a dropsuit.

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An appropriately fitted maddy takes 10 IAFG(prof5, 2 damage mods) shots in a row to kill an armor upgrades level 5(10% base resistance) 120mm poly plate with a heavy repper & 3 active hardeners.(2 hardeners 180mm plate pg exp is inferior to this fit).
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Infantry hates tanks.
Tankers hate losing their expensive tanks.

When a Tank is in the right situation, it will wreck an entire team. If 3 or more tanks are in a match (like... oh lets say Bear, AddictPunk, and Lopez.... because gosh forbid Nyain San ever stomp against a decent team and not just noobs) they have free reign on the battlefield and will not be stopped.


Trying to use AV against triple hardeners is so frustrating. The HAV is just going to run away (because tankers know to retreat) and come back in for another pass once he has another cycle. Plus, you're opened up to infantry assaults when you're trying to take down HAV(s).

But, when the AVer has the high ground, and the tank is in the open and his escape route isn't concealed (like he should be) the Tank pops like a balloon.

Every game is situational. sometimes, AVers are in a position where they just can't bring down a Tank, so they give up. And sometimes Tankers are in a situation where they're aren't getting off the battlefield in one piece. Especially if a HAV has a stupid blueberry in it, so the driver can't recall.


There is no defense for a FG or Swarm that has high ground. A tank can't reach them, so that in itself isn't fair, but once again it's situational.

I've walked up to HAVs and threw 3 AV grenades at them and they popped before they even knew what hit them. But, that was once again situational. The HAV driver was not being aware and was improperly fit without a scanner.

Some games, I can single handedly destroy 3 HAVs and keep a 4th one hidden behind his red line until the game is over, or he recalls. Other days, I can't make a dent on a HAV no matter what I do.

Tank drivers are naturally cowards, because they don't want to lose ISK. The good ones (like good infantry players) pick their battles. Lately, I'm not seeing HAVs get called in the beginning of matches. I'm seeing them get called in half way through when the other team is already stomped, so the tankers thinks he has a good chance of not losing his HAV.

still waiting on that video

8213 what game are you talking about? The last few times i have seen you in a game you usually leave during the game, I still don't know why you think Nyain San is garbage

still waiting on that video

8213 what game are you talking about? The last few times i have seen you in a game you usually leave during the game, I still don't know why you think Nyain San is garbage