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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
1992
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:56:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..
"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"
This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.
If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.
In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.
Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.
In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.
The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.
A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off.
I'll never understand Bob's line of thinking here. We are basically still playing a beta. I would assume that most people that are still playing the game want to see it succeed.
It will be 7 months from the initial release of the game by the time all racial variants of rifles will be released. I already have over 10 million SP invested into weapons. I guess it won't be that big of a deal for me to wait a month or so to skill into the new weapons, but why should we??
This new content is content that should have been available on 5/14, just as the suits should have been.
If they were adding the a tier II special dropsuit or something I could understand. I would be screaming that respecs aren't needed.
What we've all be doing since 5/14 is beta testing. I'm not sure why it's so hard for some people to comprehend that.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
1993
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:04:00 -
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And just to add to my point above.
The FOTM chasers are actually doing the game a favor. They highlight the OPness or the shortcomings of items rather quickly.
Other than holding on to the ideals from Eve I still can't wrap my head around the anti-respec mindset.
I do believe that a lot of vets are worried that all these randoms might get their **** together if their SP were allocated properly.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
1996
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:34:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:And just to add to my point above.
The FOTM chasers are actually doing the game a favor. They highlight the OPness or the shortcomings of items rather quickly.
Other than holding on to the ideals from Eve I still can't wrap my head around the anti-respec mindset.
I do believe that a lot of vets are worried that all these randoms might get their **** together if their SP were allocated properly. Please cease that easily refuted point. The vets aren't scared of the newbies. If anything, the newbies should be scared that the vets could respec all 10-40 million SP. The anti-respec mindset is pretty easy to understand if you choose to do so. I specced into, let's say Laser Rifle I. I can still spec into ARs, ScRs, SLs, ANYTHING really. That's the point of the game. You can spec into anything given enough time investment. If you let people respec every few months it cuts down both the interest of the new and the repercussions of the permanent. For a personal example, I have enough SP saved up to proto both the new guns being added in 1.7. I chose to save instead of spend, which hurt me in the short term. I could proto them out immediately, but that would be a very Alex thing to do. I could also just put a single level into both and tinker with them. It doesn't cost much and I can get that back from a few quick fights. Then I can pour the banked SP into whichever I end ep liking, if either. But what if we get a respec? Not only will that hurt me, because I chose to bank SP, it also kills any permanence of choice. Why not throw this to level V, enough people will be whining for another respec in a month to get me out of it. Why not put all my points into a single niche, I'm just a respec away from getting a weapon in another category. Why shouldn't I pound all my SP into the new thing, I'll get it back in a month. Why can't I just try a new role every few months until the whole game's intrigue is torn away? I could just do it the way the game intended and unlock everything over time, but why should I when they will always cave for a respec?
This is easily refuted as well.
I have just under 31 mil SP. A respec won't make me more powerful. I have 2 proto suits and 6 weapons at the proto level, all equipment to 5 as well as grenades to 5. The only thing I've got remaining are the passive scanning skills, hacking, and armor reps. I've got about 3.5 mil SP left to finish off some other suits and some weapon specialization stuff.
In other words a respec won't do much for me.
And like others have said, the choices aren't all available yet and won't be even after 1.7. And we aren't talking added content, we are talking about the racial variants that have yet to be released. Why is that so hard to fathom?
I would TOTALLY agree with your line of thinking if all the racial content was available. That said, until there is a real tutorial and a "testing" ground I believe a respec should be available for new players after some SP milestone is reached.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
1998
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:04:00 -
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Seems to me to be pretty cut and dry.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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