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Athrak Kinz
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:39:00 -
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So let me get this straight, Bob is pissed because Alex now knows what he wants to skill into and has learned and improved his play style? IMO Bob should be happy that Alex became a competent player, not spite him. I'm in favor of ONE repsec for all players until we get proper testing facilities, because as it stands now the only way to know what you're getting into (as a new player) is to skill into it and use it on the battlefield. Those who don't want respects lose nothing, those FOTM chasers get locked and those with new found knowledge become more stable.
Tl;Dr
One (optional) respect for all until we get proper equipment test facilities.
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Athrak Kinz
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:24:00 -
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low genius wrote:Kahn Zo wrote:Athrak Kinz wrote:So let me get this straight, Bob is pissed because Alex now knows what he wants to skill into and has learned and improved his play style? IMO Bob should be happy that Alex became a competent player, not spite him. I'm in favor of ONE repsec for all players until we get proper testing facilities, because as it stands now the only way to know what you're getting into (as a new player) is to skill into it and use it on the battlefield. Those who don't want respects lose nothing, those FOTM chasers get locked and those with new found knowledge become more stable.
Tl;Dr
One (optional) respect for all until we get proper equipment test facilities.
That is what "Bob' is worried about. Bobberry~ one who negates a respec for all for selfish reasons. and life doesn't have a respec button for those same 'selfish' reasons I suppose? go play cod. I hear they give respecs.
Well if this is real life then I'm taken aback, I thought this was a game. Are you going to argue that life is a game now? I suppose "low genius" is an apt name for you. Let's hear it, why don't you want a respect? Validate yourself. |
Athrak Kinz
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:47:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Athrak Kinz wrote:low genius wrote:Kahn Zo wrote:Athrak Kinz wrote:So let me get this straight, Bob is pissed because Alex now knows what he wants to skill into and has learned and improved his play style? IMO Bob should be happy that Alex became a competent player, not spite him. I'm in favor of ONE repsec for all players until we get proper testing facilities, because as it stands now the only way to know what you're getting into (as a new player) is to skill into it and use it on the battlefield. Those who don't want respects lose nothing, those FOTM chasers get locked and those with new found knowledge become more stable.
Tl;Dr
One (optional) respect for all until we get proper equipment test facilities.
That is what "Bob' is worried about. Bobberry~ one who negates a respec for all for selfish reasons. and life doesn't have a respec button for those same 'selfish' reasons I suppose? go play cod. I hear they give respecs. Well if this is real life then I'm taken aback, I thought this was a game. Are you going to argue that life is a game now? I suppose "low genius" is an apt name for you. Let's hear it, why don't you want a respect? Validate yourself. Aaaaaaaaaaaand personal attacks, aren't we all just having fun. Bob isn't worried about Alex. He is upset that what he has done has amounted to nothing because CCP, in this scenario, let Alex off the hook. Furthermore, because Bob doesn't need a respec, what should be a momentous occasion the likes of which no-one will ever see again is, to him, just a mild irritation to put his points back where they were. Bobs get nothing, so why should they support Alexs trying to poke CCP until they give in? Why should Alexs get something special for screwing up? Why should Alex not just buck up and start putting SP in better investments? It's what Bob does. Lvl I is very easy to get.
Respecs are a dual benefit for the game, because Alex can re-align himself and become a better team mate to support Bob. I see respects as a chance to refine newberries who have made mistakes. Bobs shouldn't want for anything because they receive the best thing, a better team. I don't need a respec, but I feel for those that do.
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Athrak Kinz
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:18:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:People keep using the same line to defend respecs, and it has begun to wear on my patience. That line is..
"What do people who don't want respecs have to lose?"
This is usually followed by some personal attacks, something about speccing out of FotM, something about fear of newbies, and general name-calling. So I'm here to clear up the confusion and shut down a few rather virulent badposters.
If we give a respec, Imagine we have Alex. Alex spent his SP willy-nilly, just playing and testing. He didn't have a plan in mind, so if he gets a respec he can start over, plan accordingly, and put points into his favored playstyle. It's all good... for Alex.
In case you didn't get the hint, Alex is players who want respecs.
Then after the respec, we have Bob. Bob spent his SP wisely, making each choice count. He has all his points placed in carefully thought arrangements, and doesn't regret a single level. When he puts his points in again, he puts them back in the exact same place. His game hasn't changed at all, and he is upset that the game rewarded Alex, who screwed up his SP, and snubbed him.
In case you didn't get the hint, Bob is everyone else.
The Alex's of the game refuse to see things from the point of view of the Bob's. Those of us who had a plan get nothing for it, and feel like all our work was for naught.
A simple solution would be to give some goodies out along with the respec, or make it a choice between goodies and respec. The former would probably be easier on CCP, but either would give the Bob's something instead of just telling them to sod off. I'll never understand Bob's line of thinking here. We are basically still playing a beta. I would assume that most people that are still playing the game want to see it succeed. It will be 7 months from the initial release of the game by the time all racial variants of rifles will be released. I already have over 10 million SP invested into weapons. I guess it won't be that big of a deal for me to wait a month or so to skill into the new weapons, but why should I have to?? This new content is content that should have been available on 5/14, just as the suits should have been. If they were adding the a tier II special dropsuit or something I could understand. I would be screaming that respecs aren't needed. What we've all be doing since 5/14 is beta testing. I'm not sure why it's so hard for some people to comprehend that.
Valid points. New features are introduced, things break, RACIAL EQUALITY has yet to be established. For example: Alex wants to be a scout, he only had 2 options so he invested into a proto min scout and the skills and weapons that fit that play style. A couple months later the Caldari scout is released, Alex much prefers the Caldari style but when he started the Cal scout DID NOT EXIST. Is this fair to him? Is it fair to Bob who wanted Amarr dropships but had to settle?
Current skills and specs are SP sinks to those that can't have their preferred fits as they'll have to spend tremendous SP to get into the new offerings while leaving their current MO in the Dust.
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Athrak Kinz
Valkyrian Armada
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:44:00 -
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There's a difference between starting at 0 with all options open and starting at 0 when half the proposed options don't exist. Another example would be someone with $1000 looking for a car, at that time they have 2 choices. 6 months later after investing money into this car someone tells him that if he would have waited he would of had 4 unique choices instead of 2. Needless to say he feels cheated because all of his assets were invested before the other choices were added.
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Athrak Kinz
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Posted - 2013.11.23 04:36:00 -
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I knew I wasn't the only one that thought "Bob" was selfish and short sighted. But I see the CPM's point as well. I'm well aware that Dust is MEANT to be long term, but with all the short term changes and long term promises new players have no idea what they're getting into, even if they do have an inkling everything is still subject to change and reworking. I don't believe that any one person DESERVES a respec, just that they have the option should they need a fresh start. I make no excuses, but I missed my chance at a respec that wish I would of had. Hell for the sake of the new berries allow a respec until a certain amount of wp is earned, at least to improve the new player experience.
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Athrak Kinz
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:34:00 -
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Well this thread has done a 180-¦, I thought that intellectual people who wanted respecs didn't exist. I doubt we'll even get a partial, maybe a full respec by the time 2.0 drops. Until then, I'm just gonna keep kicking up Dust. 
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