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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 647	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:26:00 - [1] - Quote just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Patrick57 1622	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:27:00 - [2] - Quote Not me. I'm just glad I can get my SP out of the useless, bottomless pit that is Vehicles.... When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1218	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:29:00 - [3] - Quote They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. Shields as Weapons
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 648	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:30:00 - [4] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4216	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:30:00 - [5] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Not me. I'm just glad I can get my SP out of the useless, bottomless pit that is Vehicles.... I'm skilling only into basic modules, dropsuits, weapons, and tanks...in the hopes that when CCP make this game what it was meant to be, I will have enough free SP and such that I can do what I want. FULL RESPEC, GIVE US HOPE! "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Patrick57 1623	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:32:00 - [6] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. They have the entire part of the playerbase that says, "No more respecs because people will just use it to hop on the next FOTM!" That's a large amount of players. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1144	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:36:00 - [7] - Quote If 1.8 is a blow im done,delete,forget,unrecognized Dust will be that one game that could but never listen..... See what the forums have done to me :( "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 649	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:37:00 - [8] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. They have the entire part of the playerbase that says, "No more respecs because people will just use it to hop on the next FOTM!" That's a large amount of players. i highly doubt that they are going to quit, because they still get a respec as well, so they can skill into whatever they please. most of the people who say that are already skilled into something they are happy with and think that since they have what they want, then no more respecs should come. to be honest, they need to SHUT THE HELL UP. they are so damn annoying, and are ruining the game for everyone but themselves. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 649	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:39:00 - [9] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: If 1.8 is a blow im done,delete,forget,unrecognized Dust will be that one game that could but never listen..... See what the forums have done to me :( correction: See what this game has done to the community? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 1135	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:39:00 - [10] - Quote So far I'm having fun playing the game so don't have a reason to quit, a respec in 1.7 makes no sense anyways might as well stop playing now. And respec won't shut anyone up a respec in 1.7 just because a couple of New weapons are released will just sA to people a respec is required every time New content comes out. For the Empire! Dual tanking is a sin.

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 147	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:41:00 - [11] - Quote When y'all quit Can I have your stuff? Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 649	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:42:00 - [12] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: So far I'm having fun playing the game so don't have a reason to quit, a respec in 1.7 makes no sense anyways might as well stop playing now. i don't understand. you say you don't have a reason quit, then you say might as well stop playing now? are you saying that we should just stop playing now? secondly, many people can give you may reasons for a respec in 1.7. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 649	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:43:00 - [13] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: When y'all quit Can I have your stuff? GTFO NOOOOW!!!! Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Oswald Rehnquist 645	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:46:00 - [14] - Quote Why would we get a respec in 1.7? Even if we were playing with the idea of a respec would it not be logical to wait till all the current roles/weapons have their variations out? I can see people whining for another respect once they finish fleshing out the other weapons/suits so having one in 1.7 seems a little short sighted does it not? Below 28 dB
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 147	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:47:00 - [15] - Quote But to appease respec wanters How about ccp lets you keep the skills you picked, gives you a nice amount of sp for just having an account and gives you nore for playing so you can get new skills Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 172	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:47:00 - [16] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. Me. I dont want to be part of Tank514. SPECIALLY if they do not refun my SP in ALL my AV weaponry. Grenades,Swarms,FG,and PC... AT LEAST.... going back to playing Dark souls and start playing Bf4 Probably..
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1218	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:47:00 - [17] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Patrick57 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. They have the entire part of the playerbase that says, "No more respecs because people will just use it to hop on the next FOTM!" That's a large amount of players. i highly doubt that they are going to quit, because they still get a respec as well, so they can skill into whatever they please. most of the people who say that are already skilled into something they are happy with and think that since they have what they want, then no more respecs should come. to be honest, they need to SHUT THE HELL UP. they are so damn annoying, and are ruining the game for everyone but themselves. That's the thing. A good number of people researched and planned and specced into what they knew they want. All they'd get out of a respec is having to re-apply their points in the same places. They don't GET ANYTHING. THAT is the problem. It's CCP giving those that screwed their respective pooches a free ride, while those that didn't get to eat biomass. If they offered a choice, or gave respecs AND some candy (free booster, some AURUM, maybe a free half a grand of SP) then the anti-respeccers would be ok with it. Shields as Weapons
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 261	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:53:00 - [18] - Quote Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 488	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:54:00 - [19] - Quote I'm already "taking a break". My character hibernates and I remember it two or three months later, use the SP, play for a week or two, and it repeats. SAVE DUST 514; REMOVE SCRAMBLER PISTOLS
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 173	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:54:00 - [20] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: That's the thing. A good number of people researched and planned and specced into what they knew they want. All they'd get out of a respec is having to re-apply their points in the same places. They don't GET ANYTHING. THAT is the problem.. NO ITS NOT THE PROBLEM. The problem is : 1-those players are selfish and do not thing of the wellbeing of the game,only of themselves 2-Players who are afraid of 15+ Mil players getting Perfect loadouts same as theirs. scared to play on the same level. THATS ALL. You know some players like myself researched (in the case of scouts) SPent a good amount of SP in different stuff only to get all of it NERFED to the ground to the level of unusable unless you are crazy skilled.... I am not crazy skilled. And i want a respec.

ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 173	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:54:00 - [21] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I'm already "taking a break". My character hibernates and I remember it two or three months later, use the SP, play for a week or two, and it repeats. Agreed on your procedure. Your signature is stupid thou.
Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2334	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:55:00 - [22] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. No. They can't keep giving you people respecs. You made your decision with the knowledge that things will change. Live with it. If you had your way there would be a respec every time a patch launched. This is not that kind of game.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 173	Posted - 2013.11.22 02:59:00 - [23] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. No. They can't keep giving you people respecs. You made your decision with the knowledge that things will change. Live with it. If you had your way there would be a respec every time a patch launched. This is not that kind of game. Actually no i didnt. EVEN LESS since i originally specced in to SCRs And Scouts with SG and nova knives. If i knew stuff would change so DRASTICALLY so FREQUENTLY i would have just spent SP in passive skills and use my BPOs. Not everybody is a closed beta player that knew stuff would change so randomly....
SGT NOVA STAR EoN. 116	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:03:00 - [24] - Quote Eh, when it's all said and done, i'll have 12 mill given back to me. But that 12 mill was enough to fully Max out armor and shield with all proto turrets. Hopefully that 12 mill can get me somewhat fully maxed armor skills and at least one proto turret. I don't know if i'll like it, but i'm going to do the same thing I did at the beginning of this build, and that's fully spec into armor tanks and hope for the best. I CAN MAKE IT WORK, I WILL MAKE THOSE 3 LOW SLOTS PUT FEAR INTO ALL YOU GUYS ON THE GROUND. Been hunting Graboids in my Kubera since 2012
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 173	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:04:00 - [25] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: Eh, when it's all said and done, i'll have 12 mill given back to me. But that 12 mill was enough to fully Max out armor and shield with all proto turrets. Hopefully that 12 mill can get me somewhat fully maxed armor skills and at least one proto turret. I don't know if i'll like it, but i'm going to do the same thing I did at the beginning of this build, and that's fully spec into armor tanks and hope for the best. I CAN MAKE IT WORK, I WILL MAKE THOSE 3 LOW SLOTS PUT FEAR INTO ALL YOU GUYS ON THE GROUND. FG, byes.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 654	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:05:00 - [26] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. No. They can't keep giving you people respecs. You made your decision with the knowledge that things will change. Live with it. If you had your way there would be a respec every time a patch launched. This is not that kind of game. no one is asking to keep giving respecs. we are just asking for one more. i didn't ask for a respec in any patch except for this one. when you say i made my decision knowing things will change: i didn't know they would break the nova knives, which were one of the reasons i got into this game. how is this my fault? i didn't know that they would break the scouts, and then instead of doing what all scouts are asking for, a SIMPLE increase in pg/cpu they would give us a 6 meter passive scan bonus. how is this my fault? even though i've played this game since late november, i didn't learn how important core skills were until it was too late. i've actually spent a very large amount of money on this game. much more than it deserves, every time convincing myself that i am at the very least, helping to put food on another human being's table. at this point, there is nothing stopping people like me, who have spent tons of money on this game, from leaving, and then how will CCP get their money? from the actual free to play players? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
SGT NOVA STAR EoN. 116	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:10:00 - [27] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: Eh, when it's all said and done, i'll have 12 mill given back to me. But that 12 mill was enough to fully Max out armor and shield with all proto turrets. Hopefully that 12 mill can get me somewhat fully maxed armor skills and at least one proto turret. I don't know if i'll like it, but i'm going to do the same thing I did at the beginning of this build, and that's fully spec into armor tanks and hope for the best. I CAN MAKE IT WORK, I WILL MAKE THOSE 3 LOW SLOTS PUT FEAR INTO ALL YOU GUYS ON THE GROUND. FG, byes. And I flip on my active module making me invincible for 1min and kill you. And the rest of the map killing your team mates and hiding behind corners until my active mod is back, I can do it all day buddy. Been hunting Graboids in my Kubera since 2012
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 654	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:12:00 - [28] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ i have caldari logi to 1 for uplinks. i dont even own a LLAV. i have EVERY sidearm to 5 with at least proficiency 3, so the flaylock is inevitably included in that. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 433	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:12:00 - [29] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. No. They can't keep giving you people respecs. You made your decision with the knowledge that things will change. Live with it. If you had your way there would be a respec every time a patch launched. This is not that kind of game. Actually no i didnt. EVEN LESS since i originally specced in to SCRs And Scouts with SG and nova knives. If i knew stuff would change so DRASTICALLY so FREQUENTLY i would have just spent SP in passive skills and use my BPOs. Not everybody is a closed beta player that knew stuff would change so randomly.... I feel for you, I really do. CCP has done a pretty pisspoorjob with the new player experience. First of all, thank you for being protostomped into the ground for long enough to actually spec into something, and still sticking with it afterwards. Most of us beta vets got the chance to play around with, at least similar loadouts to what we have now, before committing. Hell, even a few times for some of us. New players have not had this opportunity, and this is the only reason I can agree to a respec. However, I don't feel 1.7 is the place. Something needs to happen with the academy, extend it to 2m sp and offer a respec upon completion. After that is done, if and when, we get all the suit frames we are currently missing a respec may be warranted
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1742	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:12:00 - [30] - Quote I'll still be here trucking along through pibstomp after pubstomp and duvolle/callogi kill after duvolle/callogi kill "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1349	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:14:00 - [31] - Quote Humbugging reserved for 1.8, maybe 1.9 and racial dropsuits. If we don't get one then I may have to throw it into Passives for a while, like til the PS4 version comes out and I've grown tired of Destiny and maybe Elder Scrolls Online. Cheeseburgers.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 428	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:14:00 - [32] - Quote Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? A month later? I swear some people here have less patience than my 3 year old. You can QQ about how CCP does things all you want but they've actually been very consistent. When the skill tree gets reworked -> refund or respec. Simple. Vehicle respec now, suit respec when they come out, weapon respec when a bunch of them come out. Chill! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 654	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:17:00 - [33] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? A month later? I swear some people here have less patience than my 3 year old. You can QQ about how CCP does things all you want but they've actually been very consistent. When the skill tree gets reworked -> refund or respec. Simple. Vehicle respec now, suit respec when they come out, weapon respec when a bunch of them come out. Chill! how are we impatient? i've been waiting for this game to get fixed since november, and spent a very large amount of money in the process. its not a crime to want a game that you've committed so much time and money into to feel worth it. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 655	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:19:00 - [34] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Humbugging reserved for 1.8, maybe 1.9 and racial dropsuits. If we don't get one then I may have to throw it into Passives for a while, like til the PS4 version comes out and I've grown tired of Destiny and maybe Elder Scrolls Online. yup. i've got to catch up on my Anime and Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. not to mention how much i've been slacking in practicing guitar Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 429	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:23:00 - [35] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? A month later? I swear some people here have less patience than my 3 year old. You can QQ about how CCP does things all you want but they've actually been very consistent. When the skill tree gets reworked -> refund or respec. Simple. Vehicle respec now, suit respec when they come out, weapon respec when a bunch of them come out. Chill! how are we impatient? i've been waiting for this game to get fixed since november, and spent a very large amount of money in the process. its not a crime to want a game that you've committed so much time and money into to feel worth it. People are impatient because they are so addicted to the idea of a respec that they threaten to leave the game if there isn't one rightnowdamnit even though this just might not be an optimal time to do it. Just answer this question: if we assume for the sake of argument that 1.8 will have all the racial suits, what exactly would be the point of doing a full respec right now? No point, you say? You are correct. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 175	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:25:00 - [36] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: Eh, when it's all said and done, i'll have 12 mill given back to me. But that 12 mill was enough to fully Max out armor and shield with all proto turrets. Hopefully that 12 mill can get me somewhat fully maxed armor skills and at least one proto turret. I don't know if i'll like it, but i'm going to do the same thing I did at the beginning of this build, and that's fully spec into armor tanks and hope for the best. I CAN MAKE IT WORK, I WILL MAKE THOSE 3 LOW SLOTS PUT FEAR INTO ALL YOU GUYS ON THE GROUND. FG, byes. And I flip on my active module making me invincible for 1min and kill you. And the rest of the map killing your team mates and hiding behind corners until my active mod is back, I can do it all day buddy. Then i'll yell nerf and get you nerfed same as tankers got nerfed my AV, byes.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1646	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:25:00 - [37] - Quote If they are refunding SP, then fine. If they choose to do so, then good. But, I find it to be demeaning, and tell-tale of a community, if they force-bar the development staff to something they don't see the game as doing. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 175	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:26:00 - [38] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked....
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 365	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:29:00 - [39] - Quote The only time I want a respec is when all content currently in the game gets their respective racial counterparts. If we get a respec now with all of the missing core content, people will ask for a respec when the next major content patch comes out, filling in more of the missing racial things.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 431	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:30:00 - [40] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!

ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 175	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:32:00 - [41] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: The only time I want a respec is when all content currently in the game gets their respective racial counterparts. If we get a respec now with all of the missing core content, people will ask for a respec when the next major content patch comes out, filling in more of the missing racial things. This is reasonable EXCEPT, for the fact that NO ONE knows WHEN most of the racial content will be out.It might be this year, or in 10. And i dont want to wait so damn long to be able to enjoy dust514 a little....
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 175	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:34:00 - [42] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? Because its not because i want the amarr scout NOW,its not even out. Its because out of my 20 Mill i have around 15 Mill in Nerfed stuff or things that will be nerfed in 1.7. I want to be competitive and play at my fullest,but i havnt played for more than 2 weeks without having something nerfed/stealth nerfed.... What? Just beacuse i wanted to try something different as Scouts and AV now in 1.7 i dont deserve to play at the same level as other players? Is this MY fault?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 911	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:38:00 - [43] - Quote all the dbags who cry on the forums for something that's unnecessary?
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1058	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:39:00 - [44] - Quote I will probably deplete my last clone if i do not get a full respec by 1.8 bye bye 500 million isk bye bye 21 million SP CLONE :-( My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 176	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:46:00 - [45] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? Because as it is CCP changed/nerefd so much taht my Skill book which i previously planned for is useless. Im a 20 mill character with not a single 100% useful suit. They all lack a lot of stuff and soon,even more of my skill set is going to be useful. Im not saying CCP MUST give us a respec , im saying they should for costumer satisfaction sake. If i dont get a respec i dont have a reason to keep playing since every single thing im using escept my ADV SCR will be broken and useless. So i wont play, simple enough. Im not the one needing the respec, more like CCP actually....Im just one of many...
DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:54:00 - [46] - Quote I think one more wont hurt, but ccp should tell players that if you want suits that haven't come out yet to save that sp an wait so that people don't want another one when it does. If you think it's unbalanced now wait till 20 mill sp tankers go full infantry with all knowledge of the propper things to spec into, it's gonna be madness . Everyone should have the same advantage, these people if their smart will skill just mods, core skills an save for new suits an weapons an run bpo untill this content is released an go proto cal heavys first day an we're gonna get smoked for months while we're waiting for balance since these people will have perfect fits with no sp lost in the abyss of broken gear. Just wait its coming, an it's gonna make non vehicle respec players so mad they ll quit
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2362	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:02:00 - [47] - Quote Might "take a break" if weapon balance is ignored, but wouldn't do so over a lack of Respec. Reason being, it doesn't look like we'll get the missing Racial Suits in 1.7.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7878	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:04:00 - [48] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. They have the entire part of the playerbase that says, "No more respecs because people will just use it to hop on the next FOTM!" That's a large amount of players. FoTM is a short sighted argument at best considering plenty of people have the SP banked to just grab the newest weapons at proto anyways, and already are sitting on a strong build that is likely based around what's best in the game right now. Respecs do nothing but help the game while it's still trying to establish a foundation to build off of. From the looks of it, 1.7 / 1.8 could be shaping up to be that stable foundation we've been waiting nearly two years to achieve. The future is bright, quit being so afraid of it. Read / Vid / Stream
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 983	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:08:00 - [49] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? Because as it is CCP changed/nerefd so much taht my Skill book which i previously planned for is useless. Im a 20 mill character with not a single 100% useful suit. They all lack a lot of stuff and soon,even more of my skill set is going to be useful. Im not saying CCP MUST give us a respec , im saying they should for costumer satisfaction sake. If i dont get a respec i dont have a reason to keep playing since every single thing im using escept my ADV SCR will be broken and useless. So i wont play, simple enough. Im not the one needing the respec, more like CCP actually....Im just one of many... Eeek! Lay of the bold please your readers will appreciate you more for it. It seems like your issue is that you kept switching every time something was nerfed. If you had just stuck with one specialization, regardless of what nerfs were being layed down you would be doing okay. The fully proto scouts do fine. Heavies who are highly skilled are extremely useful, the same can be said for either of the med. suits. Remember specialize or die. You shouldn't start diversifying until after 20 mil sp. when your primary is fully skilled. Edit: I'd also like to point out that your threat of taking a break isn't a substantial one. None of us really cares what you do. Its harsh, but true. Fun > Realism
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1349	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:20:00 - [50] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Humbugging reserved for 1.8, maybe 1.9 and racial dropsuits. If we don't get one then I may have to throw it into Passives for a while, like til the PS4 version comes out and I've grown tired of Destiny and maybe Elder Scrolls Online. yup. i've got to catch up on my Anime and Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. not to mention how much i've been slacking in practicing guitar Yeah, the guitars have taken a backseat to Dusting. I forced myself to play the other day. OK, an hour and a half of driving off-road with Pantera turned up to 11 forced me to do it. It had to be done. Cheeseburgers.

ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 177	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:33:00 - [51] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Eeek! Lay of the bold please your readers will appreciate you more for it. It seems like your issue is that you kept switching every time something was nerfed. If you had just stuck with one specialization, regardless of what nerfs were being layed down you would be doing okay. The fully proto scouts do fine. Heavies who are highly skilled are extremely useful, the same can be said for either of the med. suits. Remember specialize or die. You shouldn't start diversifying until after 20 mil sp. when your primary is fully skilled. Edit: I'd also like to point out that your threat of taking a break isn't a substantial one. None of us really cares what you do. Its harsh, but true. GÖªIm blind, i use BOLD to fnd my own posts and replies like THIS one :3 GÖª''It seems like your issue is that you kept switching every time something was nerfed'' Not quite. I used SCR from release. After the Respec i specced into Scouts sincein Chromo,i was a scout. Its been recieving nerfs or stealth refs over and over again.I dont even NEED to point which are these... GÖª''The fully proto scouts do fine. '' I dont think is fair the need to use PROTO SCOUT to do '''''FINE''''' when a STD or MLT suit can still kill me in 1 second. Im risking 150k vs their 5k and they have better chances.Also, you forgot PROTO GAL SCOUTS do fine, Mk.0 dont.PLUS , only the most ELITE of the ELITE scouts....do ''''fine'''' , everyone except the geniouses is forced to run 15-8 games with LUCK.... GÖª''Heavies who are highly skilled are extremely useful'' A game should not required for one to be HIGHLY skilled to have fun. Yes i was also a heavy before going into FOTM Med frames. (again , im mostly scout and AV, AV being FGs). GÖª''You shouldn't start diversifying until after 20 mil sp. when your primary is fully skilled.'' I didnt diversify, i was or either TESTING stuff (which the only way to test stuff SADLY in this game si speccing INTO it and wasting SP you'll never see again , as it is.) or getting followed by the nerf hammer. I remember when FLAYLOCK pistols were being dual wielded.Thats when i stopped using scouts,because it was literally impossible. The addition of a Proto scanner with 15db is an instant secret nerf to ALL scout suits.This is only one reason they are not being used in PC matches. GÖª''I'd also like to point out that your threat of taking a break isn't a substantial one. None of us really cares what you do. Its harsh, but true'' - Oh but i know. I've been around the internet for enough time. But if its not only ME, but a larger part of our already small and decreasing playerbase,even if you dont care,CCP should. GÖªIm considering leaving if around 1.8 i dont get at least a SP respec in all my AV weapons. I still ahve n00bs that need my help...
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 263	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:50:00 - [52] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ i have caldari logi to 1 for uplinks. i dont even own a LLAV. i have EVERY sidearm to 5 with at least proficiency 3, so the flaylock is inevitably included in that. I was referring to the FoTM'ers in general ..
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1260	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:08:00 - [53] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: unusable unless you are crazy skilled.... I am not crazy skilled. And i want a respec. So because you didn't specialize you want a re-specialization? Makes sense. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 747	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:29:00 - [54] - Quote I hate the idea of respecs, personally. However, I only hate them when there is a relatively solid game, which is only being minimally tweaked for balance and already has the full racial content.... this sure isn't that game yet. I think CCP should just let people respec until they're done with the drastic "balancing" and releasing the rest of the racial content. It's not fair to the guys that specced heavies (Amarr) to be competitive, or the scouts who had to go Gallente or Minmitar, or the guys that went A/R because the combat rifle wasn't out, or the guys that went scrambler pistol because there isn't a Gallente sidearm... seriously, not everyone wants to run militia gear and focus on core skills for a YEAR or TWO just waiting for their racial content, only to finally breakdown and skill into something which is rendered largely ineffective..... And when CCP increases range on the SCR by what, 30m in 1.7? When they drastically alter the gameplay/TTK and compound the issue with AA? That's major game changing stuff..... Man, this game is still such a moving target.... and hell, there aren't even militia variants of all weapons. Give your players a break, man! Let the noobs figure stuff out, then respec... let the vets switch it up when you nerf stuff into the ground or when they finally get the racial content they want; they need to stay competitive in FW or PC. Let people spec out of nova knives when they are broken for months. Let people get out of their suits if you are going to re-work all the racial bonuses.... I'd be steamed if my gallente scout racial bonus was changed. PS - All that being said I probably wouldn't spend my SP any differently and don't really need a respec, but just because I don't doesn't mean that it isn't needed. And I'd be bummed if Ace, Tranquil and Shotty took a break. Too few scouts as it is!
Sarcastic Dreamkiller Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 65	Posted - 2013.11.22 06:50:00 - [55] - Quote I'll just AFK for the most part, though I'll still play a game every couple of hours.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 954	Posted - 2013.11.22 07:06:00 - [56] - Quote useless av grenades , useless sl, useless laser.......... bench time for dust or delete black friday has plenty of game deals. read my sig. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 247	Posted - 2013.11.22 07:16:00 - [57] - Quote What of the scouts waiting for an amarr variant? What of the minmatar scouts waiting for it to be relevant? What of the heavies that are CONSTANTLY reminded by caldaris that they are irrevalent? What of the scouts that are outdone by a minmatar logi? What of the logis that shall have half their SP nullified by weapon slot replacements? I say: ** you all, i cared about this game, that is, until EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS RUINED IT. I like minmatar **, and how do i get rewarded for being racially loyal? The assault's only benefit is nullified by caldaris with godlike AA. My scout is outdone by my logi, my logi is outdone by gallentes. My heavy hasn't been shipped yet, and i'm starting to worry about my weapons- Md- theyre planning on addng minimum arm distance. Smg- you're all bitching about it being competitive. Flaylock- you already bitched it to death, yet i still hear bitching about it. Anything else i should add? -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 41	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:22:00 - [58] - Quote i will suicide my self into CCP hq if i don't recive my full sp respec since im entitled to it for unknown reasons Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 399	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:42:00 - [59] - Quote There will be no full respec ever again. Skills that change get refunded (like vehicles right now). Why you still make threads?
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 100	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:44:00 - [60] - Quote Well seeing that I'm already on my break that started over a month ago, it wouldn't effect me lol. Also stop asking for respecs, learn how to live with your mistakes. "Do not underestimate the power you have."

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 203	Posted - 2013.11.22 09:39:00 - [61] - Quote seeing as how we KNOW there isnt a full SP respec in 1.7 why does this thread start with "IF"
maeth-01 2501 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.11.22 09:59:00 - [62] - Quote Never thought about respecting before as I have only been playing 2 or 3 months and still consider myself a noob.. of couse to use a heavy weapon I hat to spec into Ammar even though I wanted to be straight Caldari.... Do you reckon (to anyone out there reading this) that if the racial suits do come out that we should get a Respec ?? so we can stay pure to our race.... I only went Ammar heavy because there was no choice at the time.... always fancied being a scout or giving it ago, then I heard about all the different suits coming out I stopped myself from spending precious SP Laugh, and the world laughs with you;Weep, and you weep alone.............
maeth-01 2501 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:03:00 - [63] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: seeing as how we KNOW there isnt a full SP respec in 1.7 why does this thread start with "IF" Is there??.... have to admit I have not been on here in a while and im down on the gossip.... where did it say that, please .... Not that I want to respect really. Out of 9mil SP probably less then 900'000 is in stuff I don't really use guess it would come in handy though. Laugh, and the world laughs with you;Weep, and you weep alone.............
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 203	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:07:00 - [64] - Quote maeth-01 2501 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: seeing as how we KNOW there isnt a full SP respec in 1.7 why does this thread start with "IF" Is there??.... have to admit I have not been on here in a while and im down on the gossip.... where did it say that, please .... Not that I want to respect really. Out of 9mil SP probably less then 900'000 is in stuff I don't really use guess it would come in handy though. remember that whole official "no more full respecs" thing? yah, still in effect. and CCP specifically stated that whats happening is an SP refund of skills effected by the vehicle changes. putting those two things together.... AND, no damn respecs, EVER
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 465	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:16:00 - [65] - Quote because the next patch (which will actually be in 4 patches) will be infantry focussed: infantry respect. BOOOM
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 203	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:29:00 - [66] - Quote RKKR wrote: because the next patch (which will actually be in 4 patches) will be infantry focussed: infantry respect. BOOOM i belive the word you were looking for is REFUND. and only if a skill is removed or its function is durastically changed and no longer functions in the same maner
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 90	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:39:00 - [67] - Quote Why, so you can skill into the flavor of the month?
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2180	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:42:00 - [68] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. I really disagree with the full respec thing. To me, respec should only be done when there's a large overhaul of a specific aspect of the game : vehicle rebalalance, new heavy suits, new scout suits and only for the skills affected by the changes. Why ? because medium frame user got that opportunity to get a respec and choose between what they felt was best for them with complete array of racial suits. So it would only make sense to offer that same choice to users of other frames or vehicles. yes at that time it was a complete respec but the circumstances were very different. On the other hand, any completely new addition (new role, new type of vehicle, new weapon) shouldnt motivate a respec in my opinion. Otherwhise, you simply kill the value of SP and new content. Anyway, this debate over respec has to end with CCP monetizing it with failsafe to avoid players being able to respec too often. That way, the endless cry for respec will get money, and players an option to change their character orientation every now and then. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1467	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:46:00 - [69] - Quote hehehe respec theads make me giggle... The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Bunny Demon Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 8	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:52:00 - [70] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: If 1.8 is a blow im done,delete,forget,unrecognized Dust will be that one game that could but never listen..... See what the forums have done to me :( Can I have your isk if that happens? Donate isk to the guy above ^ (Or me, whichever you prefer)

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 808	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:06:00 - [71] - Quote I am already doing a break. I am simply waiting for new content. If I would ever get a respec I then I would just fill out my core skills again and hold the rest of my SP till everything is fixed. Zero Harpuia wrote: That's the thing. A good number of people researched and planned and specced into what they knew they want. All they'd get out of a respec is having to re-apply their points in the same places. They don't GET ANYTHING. THAT is the problem. It's CCP giving those that screwed their respective pooches a free ride, while those that didn't get to eat biomass. If they offered a choice, or gave respecs AND some candy (free booster, some AURUM, maybe a free half a grand of SP) then the anti-respeccers would be ok with it. that is wrong, CCP forces some players to choose what they did not want (lack of content) and ruined the choices of other players. I am not talking about cadlari logi nerf, it is fine, it still is able to run with 500 shields and armor. i am talking about scouts getting ninja nerfs patch after patch due to mechanics changes like movement speed or aim assist. or heavies getting outgunned by ARs on any suit up close due to weapon changes. and everyone and their mother already got a proto suit with an AR, saying people are skilling up into the the FOTM is ******** because everyone already did that on day one. in short, your point is null and void.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 800	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:26:00 - [72] - Quote im takeing a break indefinitely 1.7 untill laser rifle becomes viable again
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1744	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:31:00 - [73] - Quote I hit 20mil SP and already had what i wanted in vehicles to make me competitive in PC I saved up 8mil for pilot suits which never arrived Was i supposed to save up then 12mil SP and just sit on it until the next vehicle changes came which kept getting pushed back all the time I ended up skilling into infantry stuff because i had maxed out my vehicle tree to where i wanted it Now they increased the vehicle tree and SP needed by a factor of 3 If i had known i would have never spent any SP into infantry, hell i could go full blown infantry and have 3more proto suits and proto stomp everyday and push your **** in Full respec is logical, those who want in vehicles can go in, those who want out still go out I really dont see what the problem is
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1955	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:58:00 - [74] - Quote UVercs yes aa they are changing guns no new its just new stuff being added in so everyone including newbs are on the same playing field. Offer a respec newbs and everyone is going to skill into the new shiny and ***** to no end they want another respec becausee the gun is not the I WIN button they so badly need "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1037	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:02:00 - [75] - Quote Considerably less than you think! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 920	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:11:00 - [76] - Quote How many people will take a break if I fart?
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 738	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:16:00 - [77] - Quote Ima shoot da statue in Jita yo! If you don't think sniping is the greatest thing everGÇª I will fight you. That's no lie. -GÇö Ron Burgundy paraphrased
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 269	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:26:00 - [78] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: [quote=Greasepalms]Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not Caldari LLAV skills are getting refunded, Mr. Facepalms.
Justice Prevails 103	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:49:00 - [79] - Quote Don't need a respec, but I have no problem with anyone else getting one. This was my third character that I created in my first month because I had to get a feel for the skill tree. I still made a couple mistakes but this char was created during the REAL 3x sp week, so was too far in. So I can imagine lots of other people made some mistakes when they first started. You guys who don't want one, don't use it. Stop worrying about what other people are doing. I believe this was the argument that guys were using in 3X wp debate when some of us would not be able to cap out.("You don't have to cap") Somebody else getting a respec should not threaten your status at the top. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 686	Posted - 2013.11.22 15:29:00 - [80] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Patrick57 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. They have the entire part of the playerbase that says, "No more respecs because people will just use it to hop on the next FOTM!" That's a large amount of players. i highly doubt that they are going to quit, because they still get a respec as well, so they can skill into whatever they please. most of the people who say that are already skilled into something they are happy with and think that since they have what they want, then no more respecs should come. to be honest, they need to SHUT THE HELL UP. they are so damn annoying, and are ruining the game for everyone but themselves. That's the thing. A good number of people researched and planned and specced into what they knew they want. All they'd get out of a respec is having to re-apply their points in the same places. They don't GET ANYTHING. THAT is the problem. It's CCP giving those that screwed their respective pooches a free ride, while those that didn't get to eat biomass. If they offered a choice, or gave respecs AND some candy (free booster, some AURUM, maybe a free half a grand of SP) then the anti-respeccers would be ok with it. Planning is OP. Free instantaneous total respecs on demand for all.

Jak'Saan Edge Regiment 114	Posted - 2013.11.22 15:46:00 - [81] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: If 1.8 is a blow im done,delete,forget,unrecognized Dust will be that one game that could but never listen..... See what the forums have done to me :( I'm already there. Deleted yesterday. Will check release notes every so often. But not because of no-respect, because game play sucks since HD fix and CCP has not even addressed the issue.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7901	Posted - 2013.11.22 15:48:00 - [82] - Quote I spent my SP with the understanding that CCP might make the wrong decision and not respec us when they release all the racial material. I didn't quite anticipate the AR being the worst of the rifles (or so it seems) but I'll still put in work with it. A full respec would however give me the chance to go back to being the best dropship pilot I can be, like I was before the Uprising debacle and respec. Read / Vid / Stream
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 667	Posted - 2013.11.22 16:08:00 - [83] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Might "take a break" if weapon balance is ignored, but wouldn't do so over a lack of Respec. Reason being, it doesn't look like we'll get the missing Racial Suits in 1.7. I've gotten over weapon balance. i know what's OP and how to deal with it now. i can't keep dealing with being butt Fcked by CCP time and time again Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?*
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 667	Posted - 2013.11.22 16:11:00 - [84] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Why, so you can skill into the flavor of the month? you OBVIOUSLY have no idea who you're talking to. i'm a full time scout who's favorite weapon is nova knives. is that OP? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 667	Posted - 2013.11.22 16:22:00 - [85] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? Because as it is CCP changed/nerefd so much taht my Skill book which i previously planned for is useless. Im a 20 mill character with not a single 100% useful suit. They all lack a lot of stuff and soon,even more of my skill set is going to be useful. Im not saying CCP MUST give us a respec , im saying they should for costumer satisfaction sake. If i dont get a respec i dont have a reason to keep playing since every single thing im using escept my ADV SCR will be broken and useless. So i wont play, simple enough. Im not the one needing the respec, more like CCP actually....Im just one of many... Eeek! Lay of the bold please your readers will appreciate you more for it. It seems like your issue is that you kept switching every time something was nerfed. If you had just stuck with one specialization, regardless of what nerfs were being layed down you would be doing okay. The fully proto scouts do fine. Heavies who are highly skilled are extremely useful, the same can be said for either of the med. suits. Remember specialize or die. You shouldn't start diversifying until after 20 mil sp. when your primary is fully skilled. Edit: I'd also like to point out that your threat of taking a break isn't a substantial one. None of us really cares what you do. Its harsh, but true. first, i am a proto scout, and i do very well every match. with the gallente scout. the mk.0 is trash right now. secondly, how am i supposed to test things without spending sp? i would LOVE to hear your answer for that one. lastly, caring what other people think about my alledged "threats" is not high on my priority list. in other words, just stop while you're ahead this is what all of us are thinking right now. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 65	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:42:00 - [86] - Quote at this point they better give full respecs... they are gonna lose a lot of people due to the theft of bpo's SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 677	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:43:00 - [87] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: at this point they better give full respecs... they are gonna lose a lot of people due to the theft of bpo's i was thinking about how people were saying how bad it would look on CCP if they gave another respec, and then i realized. they said they wouldn't ever remove bpos, but look at it now. double standard much? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 479	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:53:00 - [88] - Quote Nah, I'm happy with my amarrian suit... A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 157	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:09:00 - [89] - Quote please leave kid, and take butthurt luca brasi. THATS WHAT WERE ALL THINKING (seeing how you keep using the phase)
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 106	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:24:00 - [90] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: at this point they better give full respecs... they are gonna lose a lot of people due to the theft of bpo's i was thinking about how people were saying how bad it would look on CCP if they gave another respec, and then i realized. they said they wouldn't ever remove bpos, but look at it now. double standard much? if we cant take ccp at their word, how can we ever give them the level of trust they need for us to part with our money to keep them in business? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!

Scheherazade VII 185	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:27:00 - [91] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. Not me. 11.6m SP on my main, I find it fun experimenting with random weapons etc. I won't ever play on my mass driver alt again though cos I specced into 2 advanced suits, minmatar after I realised it had more pg/cpu and speed than caldari. I need the SP for the PG upgrades, core skills, CPU upgrade, fitting, if I'm ever to fit my modules onto an advanced suit. It will be an awesome suit once it's done but I don't feel like grinding 1m SP! CCP taught us that actions have consequences, which is a real-world philosophy and can be applied as such. But really, this is a video game. With that said I think they should have a respec only when the new weapons and suits are introduced. I understand the vehicle respec but imagine if they did an AR respec in light of the new weapons coming out? now THAT would be beating around the bush. I think we should get a full respec, just not now, it would do more harm than good. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Scheherazade VII 185	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:32:00 - [92] - Quote Another point. going by my maths, a respec would be entirely logical in 2.0 GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 664	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:47:00 - [93] - Quote Not me. I don't like the idea of respecs even if ppl get penalized by a sudden change in game mechanics. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 147	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:54:00 - [94] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ Wrong. I want a respec, a full one, so I can get INTO CalLogi (up higher than currently, anyways), RR (instead of AR), and my Logi toys. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1999	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:56:00 - [95] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. They have the entire part of the playerbase that says, "No more respecs because people will just use it to hop on the next FOTM!" That's a large amount of players. I believe an equally large portion of the player base thinks that worry is unwarranted. I firmly believe that the anti-RESPEC crowd is largely made up of folks that play Eve. I think it's important to bring that up because I think the long term success of this game will depend on CCP adopting ideals more familiar with FPS and console players. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1999	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:59:00 - [96] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ Wrong. I want a respec, a full one, so I can get INTO CalLogi (up higher than currently, anyways), RR (instead of AR), and my Logi toys. But, but surely you want to run away from the Calogi as soon as possible because of the nerf. Seriously though, I have been running the calogi with two regulators instead of plates lately. Adjusted my play style away from brawler while wearing it and I've had success. If you are running with a good squad it can still be nasty running only shields. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Robocop Junior Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 381	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:01:00 - [97] - Quote I will take a break from the battlefield but not the MCC. Thiking of just stacking SP with my logi and heavy while I have fun with my scout.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1999	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:04:00 - [98] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: at this point they better give full respecs... they are gonna lose a lot of people due to the theft of bpo's i was thinking about how people were saying how bad it would look on CCP if they gave another respec, and then i realized. they said they wouldn't ever remove bpos, but look at it now. double standard much? if we cant take ccp at their word, how can we ever give them the level of trust they need for us to part with our money to keep them in business? I see this a lot and I can only find where CCP said no more RESETS. Also we should hope that CCP adjusts to the needs of the changing video game market. They should do their thing, but there's no way a company can be successful being stubborn if an opportunity presents itself. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 142	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:14:00 - [99] - Quote I wonder what all these anti-respec people's fits are and how much sp they have. Pretty sure they won't say.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1005	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:16:00 - [100] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: I wonder what all these anti-respec people's fits are and how much sp they have. Pretty sure they won't say. I, Mobius Kaethis, run with a Gallente assault fit, have 21 mill sp, and am anti-repsec. Funny. I think we would all gladly say what our sp numbers and fits are. Edit: Would you like more detail about my fittings? I don't mind sharing its not a state secret or anything. How about a picture of my skill tree? Us wanting not wanting respecs actually has nothing to do with how we spent our skill points or what fits we run and is much more about preventing FOTM insanity and preserving the "choices matter" philosophy of the game. Fun > Realism

Bukkake Bill Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:23:00 - [101] - Quote How about they wait until they add in ALL of the dropsuits and Weapons. Asking for a respec now with some vehicle changes and 2 new guns is pointless.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 147	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:25:00 - [102] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ Wrong. I want a respec, a full one, so I can get INTO CalLogi (up higher than currently, anyways), RR (instead of AR), and my Logi toys. But, but surely you want to run away from the Calogi as soon as possible because of the nerf. Seriously though, I have been running the calogi with two regulators instead of plates lately. Adjusted my play style away from brawler while wearing it and I've had success. If you are running with a good squad it can still be nasty running only shields. Say what?!!? I call a nerf. Nerf CalLogi into the ground. Oh, wait.... Seriously, CalLogi is great for long distance, let me out of those mid-close range AR's and into my mid-long range RR's. I have Prof2 and some other things. I can get the EXACT SAME LEVEL with the points from Vehicles. Maybe I should run Commando with Proto AR's and Proto RR's, and a nano.... I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1999	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:34:00 - [103] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ Wrong. I want a respec, a full one, so I can get INTO CalLogi (up higher than currently, anyways), RR (instead of AR), and my Logi toys. But, but surely you want to run away from the Calogi as soon as possible because of the nerf. Seriously though, I have been running the calogi with two regulators instead of plates lately. Adjusted my play style away from brawler while wearing it and I've had success. If you are running with a good squad it can still be nasty running only shields. Say what?!!? I call a nerf. Nerf CalLogi into the ground. Oh, wait.... Seriously, CalLogi is great for long distance, let me out of those mid-close range AR's and into my mid-long range RR's. I have Prof2 and some other things. I can get the EXACT SAME LEVEL with the points from Vehicles. Maybe I should run Commando with Proto AR's and Proto RR's, and a nano.... Commando is a tower campers dream. You with a sniper rifle and a swarm launcher and a Forge gunner buddy. I'd hate you, but that's what one of the top corps in PC has used with great success. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 446	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:46:00 - [104] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: I wonder what all these anti-respec people's fits are and how much sp they have. Pretty sure they won't say. I have just under 18 mil SP, lets say about 5 mil of that is in things I rarely use like Min logi, Cal logi, and Cal assault all to level 3, and heavy suits/HMG at level 1. I'd get everything I do use to full proto with proto AR and ScR with prof 5 (currently prof 3 in AR and not yet to proto ScR) and finally max out my passive skills like engineering if I got a respec. It would benefit me greatly. Is that specific enough for you? So: 1) I agree with the current plan for a vehicle tree respec/refund 2) I agree with a dropsuit tree respec/refund when the racial suits come out (lets hope for 1.8) 3) I'm on the fence about refunding AR/ScR SP because of the new rifles coming out in 1.7. There's a decent argument to be made either way. I lean towards leaving it alone, though. 4) If the majority of the rumored weapons and suits come out in a short period of time (say, by 1.8/1.9) I would support a full respec b/c that's a whole lot of change at once. All of the above are pretty consistent with what CCP has done in the past. Otherwise, no. The potential for personal gain on my part does not trump CCP's vision for this game which was one of the things that drew me into it. I like that decisions matter. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 146	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:59:00 - [105] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. Oh because CCP going back on their word has never happened before and they have never caused outrage as such, especially not recently. I can has ISK
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1007	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:00:00 - [106] - Quote Giving people a respec now will just make them cry more constantly for respecs. By denying the current/ongoing respec calls CCP is setting the bar for their behavior and creating an understood norm of no repsecs. Fun > Realism
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2997	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:01:00 - [107] - Quote Bukkake Bill wrote: How about they wait until they add in ALL of the dropsuits and Weapons. Asking for a respec now with some vehicle changes and 2 new guns is pointless. get outta here with that common sense. tbh the only problem with that is that may take two years. maybe a respec on suits when they come in bundles.
KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 262	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:02:00 - [108] - Quote If you take a break because you didn't get a full respec in 1.7 I'm totally fine with that. Just don't come back. Thanks.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 125	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:15:00 - [109] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Tek Hound wrote: I wonder what all these anti-respec people's fits are and how much sp they have. Pretty sure they won't say. I, Mobius Kaethis, run with a Gallente assault fit, have 21 mill sp, and am anti-repsec. Funny. I think we would all gladly say what our sp numbers and fits are. Edit: Would you like more detail about my fittings? I don't mind sharing its not a state secret or anything. How about a picture of my skill tree? Us not wanting respecs actually has nothing to do with how we spent our skill points or what fits we run and is much more about preventing FOTM insanity and preserving the "choices matter" philosophy of the game. You mean you are scared to death that people would streamline their SP investment to compete with you protostomping ? choices don;t matter when you aren;t given the information you need to actually make the decision ... Pick a number between 1 and .... o.O you picked 58 ? Sorry it was pick a number between 1 and 3 You made a bad decision and will now be punished .. you can also not change your answer either My Theme
R F Gyro Clones 4u 666	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:34:00 - [110] - Quote Please raise your hand if you throw a tantrum when this year's birthday present isn't as good as last year's? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus

hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 515	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:43:00 - [111] - Quote Me The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 682	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:58:00 - [112] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: please leave kid, and take butthurt luca brasi. THATS WHAT WERE ALL THINKING (seeing how you keep using the phase) i don't understand. who is this directed to? me? because i'm pretty sure i used that phrase all of 1 time. and luca brasi is not butthurt. if anything, that title belongs to you. he simply stated his opinion. calm down. why is it that in the world of online, if you give a point of view that not everybody agrees with, you're automatically a kid? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2000	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:43:00 - [113] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Giving people a respec now will just make them cry more constantly for respecs. By denying the current/ongoing respec calls CCP is setting the bar for their behavior and creating an understood norm of no repsecs. With a simple disclaimer that said upcoming respec is coming because due to the late introduction of racial weapons and suits I think they can avoid that rather easily. And I don't see a lot of people crying in here. I for one don't need a respect, but it feels like the logical thing to do given the circumstances. I'm also ready for more capable mercs on the battlefield. Perhaps there will only be 2 or 3 0-10s on the bottom of the leaderboard instead of 6 with streamlined training of skills. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Magpie Raven ZionTCD Public Disorder. 299	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:58:00 - [114] - Quote I won't be. I have 5 mill skill points saved up
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 685	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:03:00 - [115] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: Giving people a respec now will just make them cry more constantly for respecs. By denying the current/ongoing respec calls CCP is setting the bar for their behavior and creating an understood norm of no repsecs. With a simple disclaimer that said upcoming respec is coming because due to the late introduction of racial weapons and suits I think they can avoid that rather easily. And I don't see a lot of people crying in here. I for one don't need a respect, but it feels like the logical thing to do given the circumstances. I'm also ready for more capable mercs on the battlefield. Perhaps there will only be 2 or 3 0-10s on the bottom of the leaderboard instead of 6 with streamlined training of skills. exactly. this is what i'm getting at. some people need a respec in order to get the suits they need to combat the FotM users Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?


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