DUST Search - How Many People Will Be Taking A Break If There's No FULL Respec In 1.7?

Luna Angelo wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Luna Angelo wrote:

Greasepalms wrote:

Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not Blink

only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^

Wrong. I want a respec, a full one, so I can get INTO CalLogi (up higher than currently, anyways), RR (instead of AR), and my Logi toys.

But, but surely you want to run away from the Calogi as soon as possible because of the nerf.

Seriously though, I have been running the calogi with two regulators instead of plates lately. Adjusted my play style away from brawler while wearing it and I've had success. If you are running with a good squad it can still be nasty running only shields.

Say what?!!? I call a nerf. Nerf CalLogi into the ground. Oh, wait....
Seriously, CalLogi is great for long distance, let me out of those mid-close range AR's and into my mid-long range RR's. I have Prof2 and some other things. I can get the EXACT SAME LEVEL with the points from Vehicles. Maybe I should run Commando with Proto AR's and Proto RR's, and a nano....

Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

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Scheherazade VII 185	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:27:00 - [91] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. Not me. 11.6m SP on my main, I find it fun experimenting with random weapons etc. I won't ever play on my mass driver alt again though cos I specced into 2 advanced suits, minmatar after I realised it had more pg/cpu and speed than caldari. I need the SP for the PG upgrades, core skills, CPU upgrade, fitting, if I'm ever to fit my modules onto an advanced suit. It will be an awesome suit once it's done but I don't feel like grinding 1m SP! CCP taught us that actions have consequences, which is a real-world philosophy and can be applied as such. But really, this is a video game. With that said I think they should have a respec only when the new weapons and suits are introduced. I understand the vehicle respec but imagine if they did an AR respec in light of the new weapons coming out? now THAT would be beating around the bush. I think we should get a full respec, just not now, it would do more harm than good. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Scheherazade VII 185	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:32:00 - [92] - Quote Another point. going by my maths, a respec would be entirely logical in 2.0 GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 664	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:47:00 - [93] - Quote Not me. I don't like the idea of respecs even if ppl get penalized by a sudden change in game mechanics. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 147	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:54:00 - [94] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ Wrong. I want a respec, a full one, so I can get INTO CalLogi (up higher than currently, anyways), RR (instead of AR), and my Logi toys. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1999	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:56:00 - [95] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. They have the entire part of the playerbase that says, "No more respecs because people will just use it to hop on the next FOTM!" That's a large amount of players. I believe an equally large portion of the player base thinks that worry is unwarranted. I firmly believe that the anti-RESPEC crowd is largely made up of folks that play Eve. I think it's important to bring that up because I think the long term success of this game will depend on CCP adopting ideals more familiar with FPS and console players. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1999	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:59:00 - [96] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ Wrong. I want a respec, a full one, so I can get INTO CalLogi (up higher than currently, anyways), RR (instead of AR), and my Logi toys. But, but surely you want to run away from the Calogi as soon as possible because of the nerf. Seriously though, I have been running the calogi with two regulators instead of plates lately. Adjusted my play style away from brawler while wearing it and I've had success. If you are running with a good squad it can still be nasty running only shields. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Robocop Junior Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 381	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:01:00 - [97] - Quote I will take a break from the battlefield but not the MCC. Thiking of just stacking SP with my logi and heavy while I have fun with my scout.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1999	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:04:00 - [98] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: at this point they better give full respecs... they are gonna lose a lot of people due to the theft of bpo's i was thinking about how people were saying how bad it would look on CCP if they gave another respec, and then i realized. they said they wouldn't ever remove bpos, but look at it now. double standard much? if we cant take ccp at their word, how can we ever give them the level of trust they need for us to part with our money to keep them in business? I see this a lot and I can only find where CCP said no more RESETS. Also we should hope that CCP adjusts to the needs of the changing video game market. They should do their thing, but there's no way a company can be successful being stubborn if an opportunity presents itself. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 142	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:14:00 - [99] - Quote I wonder what all these anti-respec people's fits are and how much sp they have. Pretty sure they won't say.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1005	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:16:00 - [100] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: I wonder what all these anti-respec people's fits are and how much sp they have. Pretty sure they won't say. I, Mobius Kaethis, run with a Gallente assault fit, have 21 mill sp, and am anti-repsec. Funny. I think we would all gladly say what our sp numbers and fits are. Edit: Would you like more detail about my fittings? I don't mind sharing its not a state secret or anything. How about a picture of my skill tree? Us wanting not wanting respecs actually has nothing to do with how we spent our skill points or what fits we run and is much more about preventing FOTM insanity and preserving the "choices matter" philosophy of the game. Fun > Realism

Bukkake Bill Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:23:00 - [101] - Quote How about they wait until they add in ALL of the dropsuits and Weapons. Asking for a respec now with some vehicle changes and 2 new guns is pointless.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 147	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:25:00 - [102] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ Wrong. I want a respec, a full one, so I can get INTO CalLogi (up higher than currently, anyways), RR (instead of AR), and my Logi toys. But, but surely you want to run away from the Calogi as soon as possible because of the nerf. Seriously though, I have been running the calogi with two regulators instead of plates lately. Adjusted my play style away from brawler while wearing it and I've had success. If you are running with a good squad it can still be nasty running only shields. Say what?!!? I call a nerf. Nerf CalLogi into the ground. Oh, wait.... Seriously, CalLogi is great for long distance, let me out of those mid-close range AR's and into my mid-long range RR's. I have Prof2 and some other things. I can get the EXACT SAME LEVEL with the points from Vehicles. Maybe I should run Commando with Proto AR's and Proto RR's, and a nano.... I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1999	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:34:00 - [103] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ Wrong. I want a respec, a full one, so I can get INTO CalLogi (up higher than currently, anyways), RR (instead of AR), and my Logi toys. But, but surely you want to run away from the Calogi as soon as possible because of the nerf. Seriously though, I have been running the calogi with two regulators instead of plates lately. Adjusted my play style away from brawler while wearing it and I've had success. If you are running with a good squad it can still be nasty running only shields. Say what?!!? I call a nerf. Nerf CalLogi into the ground. Oh, wait.... Seriously, CalLogi is great for long distance, let me out of those mid-close range AR's and into my mid-long range RR's. I have Prof2 and some other things. I can get the EXACT SAME LEVEL with the points from Vehicles. Maybe I should run Commando with Proto AR's and Proto RR's, and a nano.... Commando is a tower campers dream. You with a sniper rifle and a swarm launcher and a Forge gunner buddy. I'd hate you, but that's what one of the top corps in PC has used with great success. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 446	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:46:00 - [104] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: I wonder what all these anti-respec people's fits are and how much sp they have. Pretty sure they won't say. I have just under 18 mil SP, lets say about 5 mil of that is in things I rarely use like Min logi, Cal logi, and Cal assault all to level 3, and heavy suits/HMG at level 1. I'd get everything I do use to full proto with proto AR and ScR with prof 5 (currently prof 3 in AR and not yet to proto ScR) and finally max out my passive skills like engineering if I got a respec. It would benefit me greatly. Is that specific enough for you? So: 1) I agree with the current plan for a vehicle tree respec/refund 2) I agree with a dropsuit tree respec/refund when the racial suits come out (lets hope for 1.8) 3) I'm on the fence about refunding AR/ScR SP because of the new rifles coming out in 1.7. There's a decent argument to be made either way. I lean towards leaving it alone, though. 4) If the majority of the rumored weapons and suits come out in a short period of time (say, by 1.8/1.9) I would support a full respec b/c that's a whole lot of change at once. All of the above are pretty consistent with what CCP has done in the past. Otherwise, no. The potential for personal gain on my part does not trump CCP's vision for this game which was one of the things that drew me into it. I like that decisions matter. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 146	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:59:00 - [105] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. Oh because CCP going back on their word has never happened before and they have never caused outrage as such, especially not recently. I can has ISK
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1007	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:00:00 - [106] - Quote Giving people a respec now will just make them cry more constantly for respecs. By denying the current/ongoing respec calls CCP is setting the bar for their behavior and creating an understood norm of no repsecs. Fun > Realism
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2997	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:01:00 - [107] - Quote Bukkake Bill wrote: How about they wait until they add in ALL of the dropsuits and Weapons. Asking for a respec now with some vehicle changes and 2 new guns is pointless. get outta here with that common sense. tbh the only problem with that is that may take two years. maybe a respec on suits when they come in bundles.
KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 262	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:02:00 - [108] - Quote If you take a break because you didn't get a full respec in 1.7 I'm totally fine with that. Just don't come back. Thanks.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 125	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:15:00 - [109] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Tek Hound wrote: I wonder what all these anti-respec people's fits are and how much sp they have. Pretty sure they won't say. I, Mobius Kaethis, run with a Gallente assault fit, have 21 mill sp, and am anti-repsec. Funny. I think we would all gladly say what our sp numbers and fits are. Edit: Would you like more detail about my fittings? I don't mind sharing its not a state secret or anything. How about a picture of my skill tree? Us not wanting respecs actually has nothing to do with how we spent our skill points or what fits we run and is much more about preventing FOTM insanity and preserving the "choices matter" philosophy of the game. You mean you are scared to death that people would streamline their SP investment to compete with you protostomping ? choices don;t matter when you aren;t given the information you need to actually make the decision ... Pick a number between 1 and .... o.O you picked 58 ? Sorry it was pick a number between 1 and 3 You made a bad decision and will now be punished .. you can also not change your answer either My Theme
R F Gyro Clones 4u 666	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:34:00 - [110] - Quote Please raise your hand if you throw a tantrum when this year's birthday present isn't as good as last year's? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus

hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 515	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:43:00 - [111] - Quote Me The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 682	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:58:00 - [112] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: please leave kid, and take butthurt luca brasi. THATS WHAT WERE ALL THINKING (seeing how you keep using the phase) i don't understand. who is this directed to? me? because i'm pretty sure i used that phrase all of 1 time. and luca brasi is not butthurt. if anything, that title belongs to you. he simply stated his opinion. calm down. why is it that in the world of online, if you give a point of view that not everybody agrees with, you're automatically a kid? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2000	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:43:00 - [113] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Giving people a respec now will just make them cry more constantly for respecs. By denying the current/ongoing respec calls CCP is setting the bar for their behavior and creating an understood norm of no repsecs. With a simple disclaimer that said upcoming respec is coming because due to the late introduction of racial weapons and suits I think they can avoid that rather easily. And I don't see a lot of people crying in here. I for one don't need a respect, but it feels like the logical thing to do given the circumstances. I'm also ready for more capable mercs on the battlefield. Perhaps there will only be 2 or 3 0-10s on the bottom of the leaderboard instead of 6 with streamlined training of skills. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Magpie Raven ZionTCD Public Disorder. 299	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:58:00 - [114] - Quote I won't be. I have 5 mill skill points saved up
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 685	Posted - 2013.11.25 16:03:00 - [115] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: Giving people a respec now will just make them cry more constantly for respecs. By denying the current/ongoing respec calls CCP is setting the bar for their behavior and creating an understood norm of no repsecs. With a simple disclaimer that said upcoming respec is coming because due to the late introduction of racial weapons and suits I think they can avoid that rather easily. And I don't see a lot of people crying in here. I for one don't need a respect, but it feels like the logical thing to do given the circumstances. I'm also ready for more capable mercs on the battlefield. Perhaps there will only be 2 or 3 0-10s on the bottom of the leaderboard instead of 6 with streamlined training of skills. exactly. this is what i'm getting at. some people need a respec in order to get the suits they need to combat the FotM users Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?


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