DUST Search - How Many People Will Be Taking A Break If There's No FULL Respec In 1.7?

Mobius Kaethis wrote:

ACE OF JOKERS wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

ACE OF JOKERS wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET!

I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out.

So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? !

Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout .

the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released.
I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted?

Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked....

Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense?

Because as it is CCP changed/nerefd so much taht my Skill book which i previously planned for is useless. Im a 20 mill character with not a single 100% useful suit. They all lack a lot of stuff and soon,even more of my skill set is going to be useful.

Im not saying CCP MUST give us a respec , im saying they should for costumer satisfaction sake.

If i dont get a respec i dont have a reason to keep playing since every single thing im using escept my ADV SCR will be broken and useless.

So i wont play, simple enough.

Im not the one needing the respec, more like CCP actually....Im just one of many...

Eeek! Lay of the bold please your readers will appreciate you more for it.

It seems like your issue is that you kept switching every time something was nerfed. If you had just stuck with one specialization, regardless of what nerfs were being layed down you would be doing okay. The fully proto scouts do fine. Heavies who are highly skilled are extremely useful, the same can be said for either of the med. suits. Remember specialize or die. You shouldn't start diversifying until after 20 mil sp. when your primary is fully skilled.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that your threat of taking a break isn't a substantial one. None of us really cares what you do. Its harsh, but true.

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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 203	Posted - 2013.11.22 09:39:00 - [61] - Quote seeing as how we KNOW there isnt a full SP respec in 1.7 why does this thread start with "IF"
maeth-01 2501 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.11.22 09:59:00 - [62] - Quote Never thought about respecting before as I have only been playing 2 or 3 months and still consider myself a noob.. of couse to use a heavy weapon I hat to spec into Ammar even though I wanted to be straight Caldari.... Do you reckon (to anyone out there reading this) that if the racial suits do come out that we should get a Respec ?? so we can stay pure to our race.... I only went Ammar heavy because there was no choice at the time.... always fancied being a scout or giving it ago, then I heard about all the different suits coming out I stopped myself from spending precious SP Laugh, and the world laughs with you;Weep, and you weep alone.............
maeth-01 2501 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:03:00 - [63] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: seeing as how we KNOW there isnt a full SP respec in 1.7 why does this thread start with "IF" Is there??.... have to admit I have not been on here in a while and im down on the gossip.... where did it say that, please .... Not that I want to respect really. Out of 9mil SP probably less then 900'000 is in stuff I don't really use guess it would come in handy though. Laugh, and the world laughs with you;Weep, and you weep alone.............
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 203	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:07:00 - [64] - Quote maeth-01 2501 wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: seeing as how we KNOW there isnt a full SP respec in 1.7 why does this thread start with "IF" Is there??.... have to admit I have not been on here in a while and im down on the gossip.... where did it say that, please .... Not that I want to respect really. Out of 9mil SP probably less then 900'000 is in stuff I don't really use guess it would come in handy though. remember that whole official "no more full respecs" thing? yah, still in effect. and CCP specifically stated that whats happening is an SP refund of skills effected by the vehicle changes. putting those two things together.... AND, no damn respecs, EVER
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 465	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:16:00 - [65] - Quote because the next patch (which will actually be in 4 patches) will be infantry focussed: infantry respect. BOOOM
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 203	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:29:00 - [66] - Quote RKKR wrote: because the next patch (which will actually be in 4 patches) will be infantry focussed: infantry respect. BOOOM i belive the word you were looking for is REFUND. and only if a skill is removed or its function is durastically changed and no longer functions in the same maner
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 90	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:39:00 - [67] - Quote Why, so you can skill into the flavor of the month?
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2180	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:42:00 - [68] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: just wondering. i know alot of us have been talking about this, but i want to get it all in one thread. if 1.7 sucks, and they stick with this Vehicle Respec only bullshit, then how many people will say, "enough is enough?" after extensive reading of the thread about the Vehicle Respecs in the Announcements and Events, i've come to the conclusion that not only does infantry want a full respec, but vehicle users do as well. with so much of the community wanting a full respec, how could they still not give one? they can even make us pay for it. i don't care. i just want ONE last respec in 1.7. I really disagree with the full respec thing. To me, respec should only be done when there's a large overhaul of a specific aspect of the game : vehicle rebalalance, new heavy suits, new scout suits and only for the skills affected by the changes. Why ? because medium frame user got that opportunity to get a respec and choose between what they felt was best for them with complete array of racial suits. So it would only make sense to offer that same choice to users of other frames or vehicles. yes at that time it was a complete respec but the circumstances were very different. On the other hand, any completely new addition (new role, new type of vehicle, new weapon) shouldnt motivate a respec in my opinion. Otherwhise, you simply kill the value of SP and new content. Anyway, this debate over respec has to end with CCP monetizing it with failsafe to avoid players being able to respec too often. That way, the endless cry for respec will get money, and players an option to change their character orientation every now and then. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1467	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:46:00 - [69] - Quote hehehe respec theads make me giggle... The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Bunny Demon Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 8	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:52:00 - [70] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: If 1.8 is a blow im done,delete,forget,unrecognized Dust will be that one game that could but never listen..... See what the forums have done to me :( Can I have your isk if that happens? Donate isk to the guy above ^ (Or me, whichever you prefer)

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 808	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:06:00 - [71] - Quote I am already doing a break. I am simply waiting for new content. If I would ever get a respec I then I would just fill out my core skills again and hold the rest of my SP till everything is fixed. Zero Harpuia wrote: That's the thing. A good number of people researched and planned and specced into what they knew they want. All they'd get out of a respec is having to re-apply their points in the same places. They don't GET ANYTHING. THAT is the problem. It's CCP giving those that screwed their respective pooches a free ride, while those that didn't get to eat biomass. If they offered a choice, or gave respecs AND some candy (free booster, some AURUM, maybe a free half a grand of SP) then the anti-respeccers would be ok with it. that is wrong, CCP forces some players to choose what they did not want (lack of content) and ruined the choices of other players. I am not talking about cadlari logi nerf, it is fine, it still is able to run with 500 shields and armor. i am talking about scouts getting ninja nerfs patch after patch due to mechanics changes like movement speed or aim assist. or heavies getting outgunned by ARs on any suit up close due to weapon changes. and everyone and their mother already got a proto suit with an AR, saying people are skilling up into the the FOTM is ******** because everyone already did that on day one. in short, your point is null and void.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 800	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:26:00 - [72] - Quote im takeing a break indefinitely 1.7 untill laser rifle becomes viable again
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1744	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:31:00 - [73] - Quote I hit 20mil SP and already had what i wanted in vehicles to make me competitive in PC I saved up 8mil for pilot suits which never arrived Was i supposed to save up then 12mil SP and just sit on it until the next vehicle changes came which kept getting pushed back all the time I ended up skilling into infantry stuff because i had maxed out my vehicle tree to where i wanted it Now they increased the vehicle tree and SP needed by a factor of 3 If i had known i would have never spent any SP into infantry, hell i could go full blown infantry and have 3more proto suits and proto stomp everyday and push your **** in Full respec is logical, those who want in vehicles can go in, those who want out still go out I really dont see what the problem is
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1955	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:58:00 - [74] - Quote UVercs yes aa they are changing guns no new its just new stuff being added in so everyone including newbs are on the same playing field. Offer a respec newbs and everyone is going to skill into the new shiny and ***** to no end they want another respec becausee the gun is not the I WIN button they so badly need "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1037	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:02:00 - [75] - Quote Considerably less than you think! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 920	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:11:00 - [76] - Quote How many people will take a break if I fart?
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 738	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:16:00 - [77] - Quote Ima shoot da statue in Jita yo! If you don't think sniping is the greatest thing everGÇª I will fight you. That's no lie. -GÇö Ron Burgundy paraphrased
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 269	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:26:00 - [78] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: [quote=Greasepalms]Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not Caldari LLAV skills are getting refunded, Mr. Facepalms.
Justice Prevails 103	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:49:00 - [79] - Quote Don't need a respec, but I have no problem with anyone else getting one. This was my third character that I created in my first month because I had to get a feel for the skill tree. I still made a couple mistakes but this char was created during the REAL 3x sp week, so was too far in. So I can imagine lots of other people made some mistakes when they first started. You guys who don't want one, don't use it. Stop worrying about what other people are doing. I believe this was the argument that guys were using in 3X wp debate when some of us would not be able to cap out.("You don't have to cap") Somebody else getting a respec should not threaten your status at the top. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 686	Posted - 2013.11.22 15:29:00 - [80] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Patrick57 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. They have the entire part of the playerbase that says, "No more respecs because people will just use it to hop on the next FOTM!" That's a large amount of players. i highly doubt that they are going to quit, because they still get a respec as well, so they can skill into whatever they please. most of the people who say that are already skilled into something they are happy with and think that since they have what they want, then no more respecs should come. to be honest, they need to SHUT THE HELL UP. they are so damn annoying, and are ruining the game for everyone but themselves. That's the thing. A good number of people researched and planned and specced into what they knew they want. All they'd get out of a respec is having to re-apply their points in the same places. They don't GET ANYTHING. THAT is the problem. It's CCP giving those that screwed their respective pooches a free ride, while those that didn't get to eat biomass. If they offered a choice, or gave respecs AND some candy (free booster, some AURUM, maybe a free half a grand of SP) then the anti-respeccers would be ok with it. Planning is OP. Free instantaneous total respecs on demand for all.

Jak'Saan Edge Regiment 114	Posted - 2013.11.22 15:46:00 - [81] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: If 1.8 is a blow im done,delete,forget,unrecognized Dust will be that one game that could but never listen..... See what the forums have done to me :( I'm already there. Deleted yesterday. Will check release notes every so often. But not because of no-respect, because game play sucks since HD fix and CCP has not even addressed the issue.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7901	Posted - 2013.11.22 15:48:00 - [82] - Quote I spent my SP with the understanding that CCP might make the wrong decision and not respec us when they release all the racial material. I didn't quite anticipate the AR being the worst of the rifles (or so it seems) but I'll still put in work with it. A full respec would however give me the chance to go back to being the best dropship pilot I can be, like I was before the Uprising debacle and respec. Read / Vid / Stream
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 667	Posted - 2013.11.22 16:08:00 - [83] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Might "take a break" if weapon balance is ignored, but wouldn't do so over a lack of Respec. Reason being, it doesn't look like we'll get the missing Racial Suits in 1.7. I've gotten over weapon balance. i know what's OP and how to deal with it now. i can't keep dealing with being butt Fcked by CCP time and time again Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?*
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 667	Posted - 2013.11.22 16:11:00 - [84] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Why, so you can skill into the flavor of the month? you OBVIOUSLY have no idea who you're talking to. i'm a full time scout who's favorite weapon is nova knives. is that OP? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 667	Posted - 2013.11.22 16:22:00 - [85] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? Because as it is CCP changed/nerefd so much taht my Skill book which i previously planned for is useless. Im a 20 mill character with not a single 100% useful suit. They all lack a lot of stuff and soon,even more of my skill set is going to be useful. Im not saying CCP MUST give us a respec , im saying they should for costumer satisfaction sake. If i dont get a respec i dont have a reason to keep playing since every single thing im using escept my ADV SCR will be broken and useless. So i wont play, simple enough. Im not the one needing the respec, more like CCP actually....Im just one of many... Eeek! Lay of the bold please your readers will appreciate you more for it. It seems like your issue is that you kept switching every time something was nerfed. If you had just stuck with one specialization, regardless of what nerfs were being layed down you would be doing okay. The fully proto scouts do fine. Heavies who are highly skilled are extremely useful, the same can be said for either of the med. suits. Remember specialize or die. You shouldn't start diversifying until after 20 mil sp. when your primary is fully skilled. Edit: I'd also like to point out that your threat of taking a break isn't a substantial one. None of us really cares what you do. Its harsh, but true. first, i am a proto scout, and i do very well every match. with the gallente scout. the mk.0 is trash right now. secondly, how am i supposed to test things without spending sp? i would LOVE to hear your answer for that one. lastly, caring what other people think about my alledged "threats" is not high on my priority list. in other words, just stop while you're ahead this is what all of us are thinking right now. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 65	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:42:00 - [86] - Quote at this point they better give full respecs... they are gonna lose a lot of people due to the theft of bpo's SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 677	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:43:00 - [87] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: at this point they better give full respecs... they are gonna lose a lot of people due to the theft of bpo's i was thinking about how people were saying how bad it would look on CCP if they gave another respec, and then i realized. they said they wouldn't ever remove bpos, but look at it now. double standard much? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 479	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:53:00 - [88] - Quote Nah, I'm happy with my amarrian suit... A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 157	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:09:00 - [89] - Quote please leave kid, and take butthurt luca brasi. THATS WHAT WERE ALL THINKING (seeing how you keep using the phase)
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 106	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:24:00 - [90] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: at this point they better give full respecs... they are gonna lose a lot of people due to the theft of bpo's i was thinking about how people were saying how bad it would look on CCP if they gave another respec, and then i realized. they said they wouldn't ever remove bpos, but look at it now. double standard much? if we cant take ccp at their word, how can we ever give them the level of trust they need for us to part with our money to keep them in business? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!



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