DUST Search - How Many People Will Be Taking A Break If There's No FULL Respec In 1.7?

ACE OF JOKERS wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

ACE OF JOKERS wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET!

I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out.

So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? !

Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout .

the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released.
I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted?

Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked....

Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense?

Because as it is CCP changed/nerefd so much taht my Skill book which i previously planned for is useless. Im a 20 mill character with not a single 100% useful suit. They all lack a lot of stuff and soon,even more of my skill set is going to be useful.

Im not saying CCP MUST give us a respec , im saying they should for costumer satisfaction sake.

If i dont get a respec i dont have a reason to keep playing since every single thing im using escept my ADV SCR will be broken and useless.

So i wont play, simple enough.

Im not the one needing the respec, more like CCP actually....Im just one of many...

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Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1349	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:14:00 - [31] - Quote Humbugging reserved for 1.8, maybe 1.9 and racial dropsuits. If we don't get one then I may have to throw it into Passives for a while, like til the PS4 version comes out and I've grown tired of Destiny and maybe Elder Scrolls Online. Cheeseburgers.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 428	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:14:00 - [32] - Quote Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? A month later? I swear some people here have less patience than my 3 year old. You can QQ about how CCP does things all you want but they've actually been very consistent. When the skill tree gets reworked -> refund or respec. Simple. Vehicle respec now, suit respec when they come out, weapon respec when a bunch of them come out. Chill! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 654	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:17:00 - [33] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? A month later? I swear some people here have less patience than my 3 year old. You can QQ about how CCP does things all you want but they've actually been very consistent. When the skill tree gets reworked -> refund or respec. Simple. Vehicle respec now, suit respec when they come out, weapon respec when a bunch of them come out. Chill! how are we impatient? i've been waiting for this game to get fixed since november, and spent a very large amount of money in the process. its not a crime to want a game that you've committed so much time and money into to feel worth it. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 655	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:19:00 - [34] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Humbugging reserved for 1.8, maybe 1.9 and racial dropsuits. If we don't get one then I may have to throw it into Passives for a while, like til the PS4 version comes out and I've grown tired of Destiny and maybe Elder Scrolls Online. yup. i've got to catch up on my Anime and Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. not to mention how much i've been slacking in practicing guitar Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 429	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:23:00 - [35] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? A month later? I swear some people here have less patience than my 3 year old. You can QQ about how CCP does things all you want but they've actually been very consistent. When the skill tree gets reworked -> refund or respec. Simple. Vehicle respec now, suit respec when they come out, weapon respec when a bunch of them come out. Chill! how are we impatient? i've been waiting for this game to get fixed since november, and spent a very large amount of money in the process. its not a crime to want a game that you've committed so much time and money into to feel worth it. People are impatient because they are so addicted to the idea of a respec that they threaten to leave the game if there isn't one rightnowdamnit even though this just might not be an optimal time to do it. Just answer this question: if we assume for the sake of argument that 1.8 will have all the racial suits, what exactly would be the point of doing a full respec right now? No point, you say? You are correct. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 175	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:25:00 - [36] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: Eh, when it's all said and done, i'll have 12 mill given back to me. But that 12 mill was enough to fully Max out armor and shield with all proto turrets. Hopefully that 12 mill can get me somewhat fully maxed armor skills and at least one proto turret. I don't know if i'll like it, but i'm going to do the same thing I did at the beginning of this build, and that's fully spec into armor tanks and hope for the best. I CAN MAKE IT WORK, I WILL MAKE THOSE 3 LOW SLOTS PUT FEAR INTO ALL YOU GUYS ON THE GROUND. FG, byes. And I flip on my active module making me invincible for 1min and kill you. And the rest of the map killing your team mates and hiding behind corners until my active mod is back, I can do it all day buddy. Then i'll yell nerf and get you nerfed same as tankers got nerfed my AV, byes.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1646	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:25:00 - [37] - Quote If they are refunding SP, then fine. If they choose to do so, then good. But, I find it to be demeaning, and tell-tale of a community, if they force-bar the development staff to something they don't see the game as doing. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 175	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:26:00 - [38] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked....
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 365	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:29:00 - [39] - Quote The only time I want a respec is when all content currently in the game gets their respective racial counterparts. If we get a respec now with all of the missing core content, people will ask for a respec when the next major content patch comes out, filling in more of the missing racial things.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 431	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:30:00 - [40] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!

ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 175	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:32:00 - [41] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: The only time I want a respec is when all content currently in the game gets their respective racial counterparts. If we get a respec now with all of the missing core content, people will ask for a respec when the next major content patch comes out, filling in more of the missing racial things. This is reasonable EXCEPT, for the fact that NO ONE knows WHEN most of the racial content will be out.It might be this year, or in 10. And i dont want to wait so damn long to be able to enjoy dust514 a little....
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 175	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:34:00 - [42] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? Because its not because i want the amarr scout NOW,its not even out. Its because out of my 20 Mill i have around 15 Mill in Nerfed stuff or things that will be nerfed in 1.7. I want to be competitive and play at my fullest,but i havnt played for more than 2 weeks without having something nerfed/stealth nerfed.... What? Just beacuse i wanted to try something different as Scouts and AV now in 1.7 i dont deserve to play at the same level as other players? Is this MY fault?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 911	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:38:00 - [43] - Quote all the dbags who cry on the forums for something that's unnecessary?
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1058	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:39:00 - [44] - Quote I will probably deplete my last clone if i do not get a full respec by 1.8 bye bye 500 million isk bye bye 21 million SP CLONE :-( My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 176	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:46:00 - [45] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? Because as it is CCP changed/nerefd so much taht my Skill book which i previously planned for is useless. Im a 20 mill character with not a single 100% useful suit. They all lack a lot of stuff and soon,even more of my skill set is going to be useful. Im not saying CCP MUST give us a respec , im saying they should for costumer satisfaction sake. If i dont get a respec i dont have a reason to keep playing since every single thing im using escept my ADV SCR will be broken and useless. So i wont play, simple enough. Im not the one needing the respec, more like CCP actually....Im just one of many...
DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 64	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:54:00 - [46] - Quote I think one more wont hurt, but ccp should tell players that if you want suits that haven't come out yet to save that sp an wait so that people don't want another one when it does. If you think it's unbalanced now wait till 20 mill sp tankers go full infantry with all knowledge of the propper things to spec into, it's gonna be madness . Everyone should have the same advantage, these people if their smart will skill just mods, core skills an save for new suits an weapons an run bpo untill this content is released an go proto cal heavys first day an we're gonna get smoked for months while we're waiting for balance since these people will have perfect fits with no sp lost in the abyss of broken gear. Just wait its coming, an it's gonna make non vehicle respec players so mad they ll quit
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2362	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:02:00 - [47] - Quote Might "take a break" if weapon balance is ignored, but wouldn't do so over a lack of Respec. Reason being, it doesn't look like we'll get the missing Racial Suits in 1.7.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7878	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:04:00 - [48] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: They may as well just give everyone a respec to shut them up, as a good deal of content is getting overhauled. That said, I still feel like they shouldn't give out respecs because they stated they gave out the 'last one' the last time, and it would look bad on CCP for them to break their word on that. that's the thing. what does CCP have to lose at this point? if they were worried about their reputation, then the history of DUST would be very different than what it is now. They have the entire part of the playerbase that says, "No more respecs because people will just use it to hop on the next FOTM!" That's a large amount of players. FoTM is a short sighted argument at best considering plenty of people have the SP banked to just grab the newest weapons at proto anyways, and already are sitting on a strong build that is likely based around what's best in the game right now. Respecs do nothing but help the game while it's still trying to establish a foundation to build off of. From the looks of it, 1.7 / 1.8 could be shaping up to be that stable foundation we've been waiting nearly two years to achieve. The future is bright, quit being so afraid of it. Read / Vid / Stream
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 983	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:08:00 - [49] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Jesus Christ people, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHATS IN IT YET! I love how everyone acts like they've been play testing 1.7 for weeks and know it inside and out. So lets say they end up releasing all the racial suits in 1.8. Then what? Moar respects? ! Yes ,so i can change into Amarr Scout . the thing you realize is people hate to grind. and its NOT our fault they gave a respec WITHOUT having all racial variants released. I already worked for a Proto scout, why do i have to grind all over again to get the one i ACTUALLY wanted? Yes, we should get ANOTHER respec...well you asked.... Then why do you need a respec now before the Amarr scout (p.s., totally want it too) even comes out? WTF do you need a respec twice in a months time? How does that even make sense? Because as it is CCP changed/nerefd so much taht my Skill book which i previously planned for is useless. Im a 20 mill character with not a single 100% useful suit. They all lack a lot of stuff and soon,even more of my skill set is going to be useful. Im not saying CCP MUST give us a respec , im saying they should for costumer satisfaction sake. If i dont get a respec i dont have a reason to keep playing since every single thing im using escept my ADV SCR will be broken and useless. So i wont play, simple enough. Im not the one needing the respec, more like CCP actually....Im just one of many... Eeek! Lay of the bold please your readers will appreciate you more for it. It seems like your issue is that you kept switching every time something was nerfed. If you had just stuck with one specialization, regardless of what nerfs were being layed down you would be doing okay. The fully proto scouts do fine. Heavies who are highly skilled are extremely useful, the same can be said for either of the med. suits. Remember specialize or die. You shouldn't start diversifying until after 20 mil sp. when your primary is fully skilled. Edit: I'd also like to point out that your threat of taking a break isn't a substantial one. None of us really cares what you do. Its harsh, but true. Fun > Realism
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1349	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:20:00 - [50] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Humbugging reserved for 1.8, maybe 1.9 and racial dropsuits. If we don't get one then I may have to throw it into Passives for a while, like til the PS4 version comes out and I've grown tired of Destiny and maybe Elder Scrolls Online. yup. i've got to catch up on my Anime and Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. not to mention how much i've been slacking in practicing guitar Yeah, the guitars have taken a backseat to Dusting. I forced myself to play the other day. OK, an hour and a half of driving off-road with Pantera turned up to 11 forced me to do it. It had to be done. Cheeseburgers.

ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 177	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:33:00 - [51] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Eeek! Lay of the bold please your readers will appreciate you more for it. It seems like your issue is that you kept switching every time something was nerfed. If you had just stuck with one specialization, regardless of what nerfs were being layed down you would be doing okay. The fully proto scouts do fine. Heavies who are highly skilled are extremely useful, the same can be said for either of the med. suits. Remember specialize or die. You shouldn't start diversifying until after 20 mil sp. when your primary is fully skilled. Edit: I'd also like to point out that your threat of taking a break isn't a substantial one. None of us really cares what you do. Its harsh, but true. GÖªIm blind, i use BOLD to fnd my own posts and replies like THIS one :3 GÖª''It seems like your issue is that you kept switching every time something was nerfed'' Not quite. I used SCR from release. After the Respec i specced into Scouts sincein Chromo,i was a scout. Its been recieving nerfs or stealth refs over and over again.I dont even NEED to point which are these... GÖª''The fully proto scouts do fine. '' I dont think is fair the need to use PROTO SCOUT to do '''''FINE''''' when a STD or MLT suit can still kill me in 1 second. Im risking 150k vs their 5k and they have better chances.Also, you forgot PROTO GAL SCOUTS do fine, Mk.0 dont.PLUS , only the most ELITE of the ELITE scouts....do ''''fine'''' , everyone except the geniouses is forced to run 15-8 games with LUCK.... GÖª''Heavies who are highly skilled are extremely useful'' A game should not required for one to be HIGHLY skilled to have fun. Yes i was also a heavy before going into FOTM Med frames. (again , im mostly scout and AV, AV being FGs). GÖª''You shouldn't start diversifying until after 20 mil sp. when your primary is fully skilled.'' I didnt diversify, i was or either TESTING stuff (which the only way to test stuff SADLY in this game si speccing INTO it and wasting SP you'll never see again , as it is.) or getting followed by the nerf hammer. I remember when FLAYLOCK pistols were being dual wielded.Thats when i stopped using scouts,because it was literally impossible. The addition of a Proto scanner with 15db is an instant secret nerf to ALL scout suits.This is only one reason they are not being used in PC matches. GÖª''I'd also like to point out that your threat of taking a break isn't a substantial one. None of us really cares what you do. Its harsh, but true'' - Oh but i know. I've been around the internet for enough time. But if its not only ME, but a larger part of our already small and decreasing playerbase,even if you dont care,CCP should. GÖªIm considering leaving if around 1.8 i dont get at least a SP respec in all my AV weapons. I still ahve n00bs that need my help...
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 263	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:50:00 - [52] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Nope, you're keeping Flaylock Operations lvl 5, Caldari Logistics lvl 5, and Caldari Logistics LAV skills like it or not only reason people want respecs is to get rid of those skills ^^ i have caldari logi to 1 for uplinks. i dont even own a LLAV. i have EVERY sidearm to 5 with at least proficiency 3, so the flaylock is inevitably included in that. I was referring to the FoTM'ers in general ..
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1260	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:08:00 - [53] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: unusable unless you are crazy skilled.... I am not crazy skilled. And i want a respec. So because you didn't specialize you want a re-specialization? Makes sense. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 747	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:29:00 - [54] - Quote I hate the idea of respecs, personally. However, I only hate them when there is a relatively solid game, which is only being minimally tweaked for balance and already has the full racial content.... this sure isn't that game yet. I think CCP should just let people respec until they're done with the drastic "balancing" and releasing the rest of the racial content. It's not fair to the guys that specced heavies (Amarr) to be competitive, or the scouts who had to go Gallente or Minmitar, or the guys that went A/R because the combat rifle wasn't out, or the guys that went scrambler pistol because there isn't a Gallente sidearm... seriously, not everyone wants to run militia gear and focus on core skills for a YEAR or TWO just waiting for their racial content, only to finally breakdown and skill into something which is rendered largely ineffective..... And when CCP increases range on the SCR by what, 30m in 1.7? When they drastically alter the gameplay/TTK and compound the issue with AA? That's major game changing stuff..... Man, this game is still such a moving target.... and hell, there aren't even militia variants of all weapons. Give your players a break, man! Let the noobs figure stuff out, then respec... let the vets switch it up when you nerf stuff into the ground or when they finally get the racial content they want; they need to stay competitive in FW or PC. Let people spec out of nova knives when they are broken for months. Let people get out of their suits if you are going to re-work all the racial bonuses.... I'd be steamed if my gallente scout racial bonus was changed. PS - All that being said I probably wouldn't spend my SP any differently and don't really need a respec, but just because I don't doesn't mean that it isn't needed. And I'd be bummed if Ace, Tranquil and Shotty took a break. Too few scouts as it is!
Sarcastic Dreamkiller Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 65	Posted - 2013.11.22 06:50:00 - [55] - Quote I'll just AFK for the most part, though I'll still play a game every couple of hours.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 954	Posted - 2013.11.22 07:06:00 - [56] - Quote useless av grenades , useless sl, useless laser.......... bench time for dust or delete black friday has plenty of game deals. read my sig. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 247	Posted - 2013.11.22 07:16:00 - [57] - Quote What of the scouts waiting for an amarr variant? What of the minmatar scouts waiting for it to be relevant? What of the heavies that are CONSTANTLY reminded by caldaris that they are irrevalent? What of the scouts that are outdone by a minmatar logi? What of the logis that shall have half their SP nullified by weapon slot replacements? I say: ** you all, i cared about this game, that is, until EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS RUINED IT. I like minmatar **, and how do i get rewarded for being racially loyal? The assault's only benefit is nullified by caldaris with godlike AA. My scout is outdone by my logi, my logi is outdone by gallentes. My heavy hasn't been shipped yet, and i'm starting to worry about my weapons- Md- theyre planning on addng minimum arm distance. Smg- you're all bitching about it being competitive. Flaylock- you already bitched it to death, yet i still hear bitching about it. Anything else i should add? -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 41	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:22:00 - [58] - Quote i will suicide my self into CCP hq if i don't recive my full sp respec since im entitled to it for unknown reasons Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 399	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:42:00 - [59] - Quote There will be no full respec ever again. Skills that change get refunded (like vehicles right now). Why you still make threads?
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 100	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:44:00 - [60] - Quote Well seeing that I'm already on my break that started over a month ago, it wouldn't effect me lol. Also stop asking for respecs, learn how to live with your mistakes. "Do not underestimate the power you have."



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