Wow, chill out there man, you don't have to get so defensive. You also completely missed my point. In order to have competetive gameplay, certain standards must be adhered to. By knowingly order the fragFX in order to utilize third party software (well firmware in the dongle) in conjunction with aim assits, you are in fact cheating. You are using specific hardware meant to circumvent restrictions made by CCP in order to game the system. How is this not cheating?

Aim assist (which is not that strong[see battlefield or COD]) is meant to allow acceleration based controllers to compete with precision controllers. What you are doing is bypassing CCP's balancing attempts by using a precision based controller with aim assist.

I love that "anyone can buy it" argument, it is so disingenuous. Allow me a corollary: anyone can go out and buy steroids, therefor all athletes should be able to use them.

As for your "competitive" argument, try telling that one to the huge alliances that crush the little corps in EVE online. Once they make battles in DUST result in larger and more meaningful consequences in EVE, you better believe that DUST corps/alliances backed/supported by huge EVE alliances will start a whole new level of stomping all over this game. I'm not talking just "gameplay" but also logistics, funding, spying, logging, coercion, diplomacy, market war, production blocking, transport blockading, and more... This game has only just begun to see some of the smaller things that can be done with it, but it's tied to a much larger universe of possibilities and all it takes is for someone to just open themselves up to them and take advantage of it. Boxing yourself into the notions of "fairplay", "competitive combat", and "right/wrong" will only get you even more frustrated than you already are.

Are you telling me there is no honour in New Eden?! WHAT?! I paid good money for E-Bushido and furthermore

Just so everyone ITT is aware: You must own some form of cheaty 3rd party controller to be in goonfeet. We regularly discuss which device guarantees the most face wrecking. Currently the fragfx shark holds favor, but eagle eye is an old favorite and it's not that far behind.

You want your raw input, fine. Give DS3 stick acceleration and customizable ADS sensitivity.
By acceleration i mean if i hold the stick left, it starts out slowly, allowing for precision. Then at about 25 degree turn it accelerates so that i can do those goddamned 180's you kb/m users are so proud of. Equality bitches.

Tl:dr raw input allows for CQC tracking, stick acceleration allows for DS3 to pull the CoD 180's that kb/m has already.

Are you telling me there is no honour in New Eden?! WHAT?! I paid good money for E-Bushido and furthermore

Just so everyone ITT is aware: You must own some form of cheaty 3rd party controller to be in goonfeet. We regularly discuss which device guarantees the most face wrecking. Currently the fragfx shark holds favor, but eagle eye is an old favorite and it's not that far behind.

You want your raw input, fine. Give DS3 stick acceleration and customizable ADS sensitivity.
By acceleration i mean if i hold the stick left, it starts out slowly, allowing for precision. Then at about 25 degree turn it accelerates so that i can do those goddamned 180's you kb/m users are so proud of. Equality bitches.

Tl:dr raw input allows for CQC tracking, stick acceleration allows for DS3 to pull the CoD 180's that kb/m has already.

BRZZTTT wrong. In sports they specifically disallow the drugs and state such. CCP has not disallowed 3rd party anything. They only say that you cannot gain profit off of it.

And I understand what you are saying about AA trying to "even things out" due to differing types of controls, but my point is I have to use a KBM because my hands cannot operate the dumb-ass controllers designed for little kids' hands. They cause me to cramp up and not want to play anymore.

So not a cheat, not even close. And you have no idea what level of "meta" CCP allows in their games if you believe that a simple little controller is "cheating".

As for your "competitive" argument, try telling that one to the huge alliances that crush the little corps in EVE online. Once they make battles in DUST result in larger and more meaningful consequences in EVE, you better believe that DUST corps/alliances backed/supported by huge EVE alliances will start a whole new level of stomping all over this game. I'm not talking just "gameplay" but also logistics, funding, spying, logging, coercion, diplomacy, market war, production blocking, transport blockading, and more... This game has only just begun to see some of the smaller things that can be done with it, but it's tied to a much larger universe of possibilities and all it takes is for someone to just open themselves up to them and take advantage of it. Boxing yourself into the notions of "fairplay", "competitive combat", and "right/wrong" will only get you even more frustrated than you already are.

If you wanna play Dust 514 with a mouse and keyboard get a PC lol !!! consoles use controllers, it's that simple.

Fair enough.

Hell you guys can have whatever you damn well please if CCP would just implement raw freaking input.

A pro KBM user would **** all over the current DS3 + Aim assist.
Maybe below average KBM user.

If you wanna play Dust 514 with a mouse and keyboard get a PC lol !!! consoles use controllers, it's that simple.

You want your raw input, fine. Give DS3 stick acceleration and customizable ADS sensitivity.
By acceleration i mean if i hold the stick left, it starts out slowly, allowing for precision. Then at about 25 degree turn it accelerates so that i can do those goddamned 180's you kb/m users are so proud of. Equality bitches.

Tl:dr raw input allows for CQC tracking, stick acceleration allows for DS3 to pull the CoD 180's that kb/m has already.

False and unproven speculation. You have no grounds from which to make that claim..

Irrelevant. Aim assist was not nearly as powerful in shadowrun, and movement was far slower in Halo 2 which gave KB/M the edge.

Dust has far faster movement, and far stronger aim assist. It is immune from the issues of its predecessors.

Actually, I'm pretty sure (It is possible I am incorrect though) that we /do/ have raw input enabled for Dust. It was disabled for the longest time, then enabled (or at least was supposed to be to the best of my knowledge) in Uprising 1.3

The lower DPI/Speed can sometimes be accounted for by people not changing their mouse settings in the PS3 settings itself, as it's defaulted to "slow" if memory serves.

I play with a KB/M and it took me quite a while to figure out how to configure my mouse so that it didn't feel like total garbage while playing Dust. The biggest improvement to precision for me was reducing my mouse's polling rate from 1000Hz to 125Hz. Anything above 125Hz seems to cause fast movements to get "dampened". I'm not sure if this is purely a Dust issue, as high polling rates also cause mouse control of the PS3 XMB to behave somewhat erratically too. As for latency, I've always assumed that it was a result of bad/inconsistent framerates, coupled with Dust 514's implementation of server-side hit detection.

I definitely agree that playing another FPS (on PC or console) after logging some hours in Dust feels like easy mode simply because you're no longer fighting the various input/framerate/hit detection issues with the game.

I checked around and looks like the ps3 polling rate is 100Hz and Xbox is 125Hz
either way when i set to 100Hz the mouse moves much faster which in theory it should have no impact on, so i assume you are correct

However after a few games like this the mouse stopped responding, i can still fire but in Dust there is no aim with the mouse now, still moves fine on the XMB

I have changed sensitivity down to 20 but thats the only other change

I have since set it to 125Hz Still the same issue, very odd its only in Dust, Will keep playing with setting see if i can get it back

I remember playing Shadowrun it had a stronger aim assist then dust. It even had a tech upgrade skill that increased aim assist further, you clearly never played it.

I thought you were arguing for KB/M.
So i don't understand your point about movement was far slower in Halo 2 which gave KB/M the edge.
If movement is faster it would give KB/M the edge because they strafe better.
How would it give KB/M the edge if it was slower too?

Actually, I'm pretty sure (It is possible I am incorrect though) that we /do/ have raw input enabled for Dust. It was disabled for the longest time, then enabled (or at least was supposed to be to the best of my knowledge) in Uprising 1.3

The lower DPI/Speed can sometimes be accounted for by people not changing their mouse settings in the PS3 settings itself, as it's defaulted to "slow" if memory serves.

Actually, I'm pretty sure (It is possible I am incorrect though) that we /do/ have raw input enabled for Dust. It was disabled for the longest time, then enabled (or at least was supposed to be to the best of my knowledge) in Uprising 1.3

The lower DPI/Speed can sometimes be accounted for by people not changing their mouse settings in the PS3 settings itself, as it's defaulted to "slow" if memory serves.

Maybe "RAW" is the incorrect term then.

What I'm noticing is acceleration(which we can't turn off or adjust), the ignoring of fine movements(particularly while sniping), and a general sensation of slipperiness while in close quarters (might be the acceleration).