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bolsh lee
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:46:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:If there was raw input, there would be no stopping M/K players. I'm saying that as someone who spent the first YEARS of his FPS life playing counter strike. The accuracy I can get with a DS3 + Aim assist is still no way near ot what I can get with a M/K. So no to raw input, unless DS3 had auto aim to the head, because that's basically what I would do to you 
Catmerc, we bassicly had raw input in chromosome and mouse users didn't excell over ds3, - per the leader boards- how do you explain that ? I get better accuracy with aim assist because my iron site barley moves away from the target even while straffing because of aim assist...
Raw input is only fair vs the current aim assist in fact the same can be said for AA.. Since AA has been implemented nothing is stopng DS3 users from walking all over mouse user just a flick of the thumb and its instant headshot. .
I'm not saying remove AA leave it the way it is but give mouse users chromosome/raw input back..
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bolsh lee
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:57:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:bolsh lee wrote:Cat Merc wrote:If there was raw input, there would be no stopping M/K players. I'm saying that as someone who spent the first YEARS of his FPS life playing counter strike. The accuracy I can get with a DS3 + Aim assist is still no way near ot what I can get with a M/K. So no to raw input, unless DS3 had auto aim to the head, because that's basically what I would do to you Catmerc, we bassicly had raw input in chromosome and mouse users didn't excell over ds3, - per the leader boards- how do you explain that ? I get better accuracy with aim assist because my iron site barley moves away from the target even while straffing because of aim assist... Raw input is only fair vs the current aim assist in fact the same can be said for AA.. Since AA has been implemented nothing is stopng DS3 users from walking all over mouse user just a flick of the thumb and its instant headshot. . I'm not saying remove AA leave it the way it is but give mouse users chromosome/raw input back.. I tried M/K in chromo. That was no where near a PC, I can tell you that for a fact. It wasn't raw input, if it was I would tell.
You must not be as good as you think with a kb/m then because I was surgical with the AR in chromosome.. Not to mention many others said the same thing about chromosome "It felt like damn near raw input".. |
bolsh lee
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:00:00 -
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Eversor Beercase wrote:KBM raw input would be great, but then it would become OP in the eyes of DS3 players. From what I've seen of the squad cup clips the overall tracking of players is, how should I put it nicely ... casual at best?
I hear this argument a lot and how could they complain when they have auto tracking aim assist.. I'm sure they will, but wouldn't the response be you have aim assist we don't ? |
bolsh lee
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:02:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:So by raw input you mean, "turn 360 degrees in a split second?"
Nope not at all because I can do that right now with a high DPI mouse. CCP's hadicap to kb/m only hurt precision aiming while implementation of Aim Assist improved DS3 fine aiming.. |
bolsh lee
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:51:00 -
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Acturus Galaxy wrote:I find the balance between DS3 and keyboard/mouse good today. I remember how you needed keyboard/mouse pre Uprising to compete and now both have their advantages and disadvantages. Mouse users have precision on long range and very quick tracking speeds, keyboards users have godly adadada strafing, DS3 users have the cqc advantage and better movement capabilities due to analogues input.
Giving mouse/keyboard raw input will remove the only advantage ds3 users have and make mouse/keyboard the best input device as in previous builds. I used mouse in Chromosome and still use mouse today when forge gunning, sniping or needing quick precision aiming at longer distances. And it is still better for weapons that do not have AA at all distances like plasma canons and MD. DS3 finally have its place and can compete against the mouse/keyboard.
You should do as I and probably many others, have both input devices ready at hand and use DS3 if it is as good as you say within 10 meters and your mouse when you are engaging at longer distances.
EDIT: You mention all keyboard/mouse users will leave, that is exactly what happened to many DS3 users in protest over the advantage mouse/keyboards had, they left as they felt it was impossible to compete on equal terms. I still remember some of the old discussions on this subject, the only response from mouse/keyboards users war, "noobs", "HTFU", "harden up" etc
Please link me this "Protest" DS3 users had vs the Kb/M you're speaking of ? Was it in Chromosome when kb/m was damn near raw input, if so I must of been playing a different game ? The only compliant I can remrmber was kb/m having quicker turn speeds do to suit limitations (Even then the DS3 users excelled via the leaderboards) CCP attempted to fix turn speeds by removing suit restrictions for all... At the same time also handicapping kb/m users at the start of Uprising..
If you remember at the launch of Uprising DS3 users realized they couldn't aim because what little aim assist they had in Chromosome was gone.. Holy **** these forums were flooded with DS3 tears, because they weren't able to aim in CQC, after CCP busted out the riot gear the new and improved aim assist was born..
Sorry but you're incredibly bad if you think the DS3 only excels at CQC.. Dust is my first console shooter and with aim assist being the go to for competitive play I had to switch and Im able to pick up a DS3 and drop 30+ kill games... As where when I use the kb/m something that I've been extremely proficient with (in chromosome and outside of Dust) for the past 15yrs, I can't even track my target because like others have stated CCP has ruined the kb/m its like you constantly have a force (under water etc) fighting against your aim/fine movements. .
So please know what you're talking about before spreading wild accusations especially now adays, its pretty comical to read a DS3 users claim the current mouse settings are OP or even useable.. Especially when scrub DS3 users continuously get mudered on the field and assume it's kb/m they are going up against.. (not saying that's you but you sure sound like the type) |
bolsh lee
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Posted - 2013.11.22 23:07:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:You want your raw input, fine. Give DS3 stick acceleration and customizable ADS sensitivity.
By acceleration i mean if i hold the stick left, it starts out slowly, allowing for precision. Then at about 25 degree turn it accelerates so that i can do those goddamned 180's you kb/m users are so proud of. Equality bitches.
Tl:dr raw input allows for CQC tracking, stick acceleration allows for DS3 to pull the CoD 180's that kb/m has already. Fair enough. Hell you guys can have whatever you damn well please if CCP would just implement raw freaking input.
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