With regard to mouse getting some sort of limiting input delay, I'm not sure what it was, but I was definitely getting a delay with a controller for a long while during chromosome, and maybe into uprising 1.2. It could have largely been a result of what I found to be network latency, but it REALLY screwed up the ability to reliably use my mass driver, as I'd often spin just a hair too much and shoot the wall killing myself rather than strafe just outside of it to fire at the target.

With regard to the above posters reference to precision vs. acceleration, I see this as the biggest point. I think the idea of 'raw input' is a white elephant. What do you mean by raw input?

I honestly don't really get what x,000 dpi in mouse speed corresponds to. Could someone clarify? Are you saying that if you move your mouse 1 inch in one second, and that rotates your charachter 25% of the screen, raw input would imply that if you move 4x that speed then you would rotate 100% in the same time. Then theoretically, you could probably move your mouse 10x+ that speed spinning extremely fast...?

So what is the right answer? Gimp the mouse or make the controllers half man half AI?

Noone is stopping you go out and buy a 300$ Mechanical Keyboard....then find out its not the keyboard...

Catmerc, we bassicly had raw input in chromosome and mouse users didn't excell over ds3, - per the leader boards- how do you explain that ? I get better accuracy with aim assist because my iron site barley moves away from the target even while straffing because of aim assist...


Raw input is only fair vs the current aim assist in fact the same can be said for AA.. Since AA has been implemented nothing is stopng DS3 users from walking all over mouse user just a flick of the thumb and its instant headshot. .

I'm not saying remove AA leave it the way it is but give mouse users chromosome/raw input back..

Didn't the mouse and the DS3 have aim friction in Chromosome and early Uprising?

Not having friction anymore is what makes CQC horrible for mouse users (well for me anyway...).
At range the precision of the mouse can almost compete with aim assist but in CQC you don't stand a chance of keeping your aim on target.

Because you're the minority.
Like it or not, this is a console shooter, if DS3 is the weakest way to control this game is fail.

Do you guys truly believe that RAW input is no better then DS3?

Do you guys truly believe that with RAW input you will not have a huge advantage?

DS3 is better than M/KB for anything <10m in almost every scenario.

Please go tell that to Regnyum, Kalante Schifer, 13ear, LordChaos...name after name All DS3 users. seriously... and everyone of those guys where BETTER, IMO.... when mouse had raw input and the now aim assist wasn't in the game.

There is aiming with a DS3 like there was in chromosome... and then there is what we have now where it's not really based on aiming at all, or even helping... or even training wheel's for an inspiring FPS player... it's straight up toggled aim bot.

I find the balance between DS3 and keyboard/mouse good today. I remember how you needed keyboard/mouse pre Uprising to compete and now both have their advantages and disadvantages. Mouse users have precision on long range and very quick tracking speeds, keyboards users have godly adadada strafing, DS3 users have the cqc advantage and better movement capabilities due to analogues input.

Giving mouse/keyboard raw input will remove the only advantage ds3 users have and make mouse/keyboard the best input device as in previous builds. I used mouse in Chromosome and still use mouse today when forge gunning, sniping or needing quick precision aiming at longer distances. And it is still better for weapons that do not have AA at all distances like plasma canons and MD. DS3 finally have its place and can compete against the mouse/keyboard.

You should do as I and probably many others, have both input devices ready at hand and use DS3 if it is as good as you say within 10 meters and your mouse when you are engaging at longer distances.

EDIT: You mention all keyboard/mouse users will leave, that is exactly what happened to many DS3 users in protest over the advantage mouse/keyboards had, they left as they felt it was impossible to compete on equal terms. I still remember some of the old discussions on this subject, the only response from mouse/keyboards users war, "noobs", "HTFU", "harden up" etc

Please link me this "Protest" DS3 users had vs the Kb/M you're speaking of ? Was it in Chromosome when kb/m was damn near raw input, if so I must of been playing a different game ? The only compliant I can remrmber was kb/m having quicker turn speeds do to suit limitations (Even then the DS3 users excelled via the leaderboards) CCP attempted to fix turn speeds by removing suit restrictions for all... At the same time also handicapping kb/m users at the start of Uprising..

If you remember at the launch of Uprising DS3 users realized they couldn't aim because what little aim assist they had in Chromosome was gone.. Holy **** these forums were flooded with DS3 tears, because they weren't able to aim in CQC, after CCP busted out the riot gear the new and improved aim assist was born..

Sorry but you're incredibly bad if you think the DS3 only excels at CQC.. Dust is my first console shooter and with aim assist being the go to for competitive play I had to switch and Im able to pick up a DS3 and drop 30+ kill games... As where when I use the kb/m something that I've been extremely proficient with (in chromosome and outside of Dust) for the past 15yrs, I can't even track my target because like others have stated CCP has ruined the kb/m its like you constantly have a force (under water etc) fighting against your aim/fine movements. .

So please know what you're talking about before spreading wild accusations especially now adays, its pretty comical to read a DS3 users claim the current mouse settings are OP or even useable.. Especially when scrub DS3 users continuously get mudered on the field and assume it's kb/m they are going up against.. (not saying that's you but you sure sound like the type)

Well that's cool guys just wanted to know what you thought about it all.

I am more than happy for you guys to get RAW input, but only if the servers are split and M/KB guys only play against each other.

Other then that there is a reason that they are deliberately gimping your mouse...

Aim assist as it is now is more than competent enough to combat a pro KB/M user with raw input.

In fact, I would still give the edge to the DS3 with the exception of sniper rifles and forge guns, as they are basically the only weapons that do not benefit from aim assist. Mass driver doesn't matter because people with mass drivers can't aim to begin with.

DS3 is better than M/KB for anything <10m in almost every scenario. Aim assist compounded with bad framerates and awful mouse controls makes tracking targets at close ranges about as slippery as it can get. I tried it with a DS3 and it is SO much easier to track targets. I was initially puzzled as to why I seemed to be dying so fast but it really becomes evident when you make the switch from M/KB to DS3.

It's funny because so many people have made claims about M/KB superiority and that they don't belong. Sure we may get a slightly easier method of strafing but that's easily compensated for on the DS3 once you learn how. Something like a sticky reticle and aim tracking is not something that can be learned. It's provided by the game to make it easier for people who haven't learned yet to track targets.

Having raw input would not give us a "huge advantage". I fail to see how that would be the case. It would simply level the playing field by allowing mouse users to compensate for aim assist by having the game actually respond accordingly to the player's input and not be dictated by some awful control scheme.

Fact is we don't have raw input, and whatever they changed back in 1.4 to mouse controls only made things far worse.

A pro KBM user would **** all over the current DS3 + Aim assist.
Maybe below average KBM user.

You want to see toggled aim bot?
Go play COD or Battlefield or Halo (In case you wanted to compare to a tracking shooter).
Compared to those, Dust 514 has the softest aim assist ever.
You guys are seriously overblowing it out of proportion.