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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:06:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:27:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Wow.... I had not seen those devices before. It is so freaking sad how people will do anything for a advantage (i.e. cheat) in a damn video game.
How in the world can you have a competitive game when they very basis of it, they method of input, is not equal from player to player? I mean there is a reason why they ban steroids in any sport worth anything.
TBH I don't have an answer for attempting to balance a mouse versus a controller. Since they operate on completely different principles (acceleration versus precision), I do not see a way to make them equal without seriously gimping one or the other.
Turn speed limits and momentum definitely make sense from a realism standpoint.... but then you make mouse and keyboard users unhappy because they like the unrealistic behavior they are used too (turn 180 degrees in a split second with a 100 kg weapon).
Then you have aim assist which to counteract the precision of a mouse and keyboard need to artificially increase the skill of the user. I mean if you were to do raw input mouse versus a controller I am sure aim assist would have to be to be turn so high that as long as you were facing your target you would be hitting it.
So what is the right answer? Gimp the mouse or make the controllers half man half AI?
How is that "cheating?" Anyone can go out and buy a different controller or control mechanism. Hell I would hope that many do because the ones that come with the PS3 suck as they are designed for a child's hands! What about people that are physically disabled in some way? Are you gonna deny them some kind of different input device because you believe it to be cheating? They are not providing preferential treatment or and are not catering to one or the other or saying you must buy this to win. Only you guys are saying this.
I too use a KBM, however after the last fix to hit detection plus the AA addition, I've had to switch back to using a controller while waiting for the fragfx shark I ordered from splitfish to come in:
http://www.splitfish.com/index.php/en/products/fragfx-shark-ps3-v2013
Oh noes... that's pay to win! No it's not. By doing this it no way guarantees that I'll win anything. It only provides my hands with some of the ergonomic comfort that I'm seeking while still taking advantage of the AA benefits that CCP has coded into the game for EVERYONE to be able to use.
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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:40:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:Wow, chill out there man, you don't have to get so defensive. You also completely missed my point. In order to have competetive gameplay, certain standards must be adhered to. By knowingly order the fragFX in order to utilize third party software (well firmware in the dongle) in conjunction with aim assits, you are in fact cheating. You are using specific hardware meant to circumvent restrictions made by CCP in order to game the system. How is this not cheating?
Aim assist (which is not that strong[see battlefield or COD]) is meant to allow acceleration based controllers to compete with precision controllers. What you are doing is bypassing CCP's balancing attempts by using a precision based controller with aim assist.
I love that "anyone can buy it" argument, it is so disingenuous. Allow me a corollary: anyone can go out and buy steroids, therefor all athletes should be able to use them.
BRZZTTT wrong. In sports they specifically disallow the drugs and state such. CCP has not disallowed 3rd party anything. They only say that you cannot gain profit off of it.
And I understand what you are saying about AA trying to "even things out" due to differing types of controls, but my point is I have to use a KBM because my hands cannot operate the dumb-ass controllers designed for little kids' hands. They cause me to cramp up and not want to play anymore.
So not a cheat, not even close. And you have no idea what level of "meta" CCP allows in their games if you believe that a simple little controller is "cheating".
As for your "competitive" argument, try telling that one to the huge alliances that crush the little corps in EVE online. Once they make battles in DUST result in larger and more meaningful consequences in EVE, you better believe that DUST corps/alliances backed/supported by huge EVE alliances will start a whole new level of stomping all over this game. I'm not talking just "gameplay" but also logistics, funding, spying, logging, coercion, diplomacy, market war, production blocking, transport blockading, and more... This game has only just begun to see some of the smaller things that can be done with it, but it's tied to a much larger universe of possibilities and all it takes is for someone to just open themselves up to them and take advantage of it. Boxing yourself into the notions of "fairplay", "competitive combat", and "right/wrong" will only get you even more frustrated than you already are.
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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:57:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:Jadd Hatchen wrote:As for your "competitive" argument, try telling that one to the huge alliances that crush the little corps in EVE online. Once they make battles in DUST result in larger and more meaningful consequences in EVE, you better believe that DUST corps/alliances backed/supported by huge EVE alliances will start a whole new level of stomping all over this game. I'm not talking just "gameplay" but also logistics, funding, spying, logging, coercion, diplomacy, market war, production blocking, transport blockading, and more... This game has only just begun to see some of the smaller things that can be done with it, but it's tied to a much larger universe of possibilities and all it takes is for someone to just open themselves up to them and take advantage of it. Boxing yourself into the notions of "fairplay", "competitive combat", and "right/wrong" will only get you even more frustrated than you already are.
Are you telling me there is no honour in New Eden?! WHAT?! I paid good money for E-Bushido and furthermore Just so everyone ITT is aware: You must own some form of cheaty 3rd party controller to be in goonfeet. We regularly discuss which device guarantees the most face wrecking. Currently the fragfx shark holds favor, but eagle eye is an old favorite and it's not that far behind.
Wow, never thought I'd be thanking a goon for backing up my point so well. Well played. ;)
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