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Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1492	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:38:00 - [1] - Quote CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2239	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:40:00 - [2] - Quote Assault logis already fill their spare slots with compact hives. This idea will make actual logis like my speed-hacker less viable. No.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1492	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:42:00 - [3] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Assault logis already fill their spare slots with compact hives. This idea will make actual logis like my speed-hacker less viable. Still, I think it would be a move in the right direction. I dont wanna see a Logi Nerf, but I have a bad feeling that is going to happen. Either a lost of slots or light weapons.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 355	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:56:00 - [4] - Quote The problem is that CCP will look at the situation and the thought pattern will probably go like this: People are using the Logistics suit as an Assault Suit what should we do? Nerf the Logistics Suit. Instead of going, why are people using the Logistics suits over the Assault suits? Slot Layout among other things. Maybe the assault suits simply need to be more effective then? Potentially, maybe give them something like oh idk, damage output increase for the assault skill instead of something that makes no sense like shield recharge? Would be a good place to start. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1492	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:03:00 - [5] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: The problem is that CCP will look at the situation and the thought pattern will probably go like this: People are using the Logistics suit as an Assault Suit what should we do? Nerf the Logistics Suit. Instead of going, why are people using the Logistics suits over the Assault suits? Slot Layout among other things. Maybe the assault suits simply need to be more effective then? Potentially, maybe give them something like oh idk, damage output increase for the assault skill instead of something that makes no sense like shield recharge? Would be a good place to start. Its a great way to look at it, thing is we need to do something to prevent a Logi Nerf. Just to be clear, I'm a Assault/Scout.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7143	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:08:00 - [6] - Quote So fear-mongering to get people to support your specific idea. (Fix TTK first) give assaults 1% damage bonus per level as the general assault bonus. Doing more damage reinforces the role of the assault. Give each assault bonuses to their specific race's weaponry. Minmatar could get explosive/projectile clip size, Amarr assault keeps laser bonus, Caldari could get more effective range for railgun weapons, etc. Bam! now assaults are better at assaulting. Give logi bonuses to equipment. General logi bonus should be PG/CPU reduction of equipment, and each logi could have an equipment related racial bonus. More details here. Logis would still have less speed, less stamina, less base shields (meaning depending on how you use the extra low slot, they may have less HP than assaults), and less shield recharge. Also having no sidearm is a pretty big deal if you're using a weapon like the plasma cannon, swarm launcher, laser rifle, or sniper rifle. The only benefit a logi would have when assaulting is PG/CPU, and that extra low slot. Everything else would be better on assault suits when assaulting. Logis would still be able to tank more, making them good at defense, but less agile, and bonuses would make them more geared towards equipment use. Assaults would be more offense oriented with damage and weapon bonuses, and more agile, and versatile in combat because of sidearm. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 321	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:10:00 - [7] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit! There is no thing as a GÇ£true logi.GÇ¥ Get over this dispossessive attitude that is based upon stereotyping and pejorative biases that do nothing for this game. I can use my suit how ever I want and the support that I give as a logistics officer is functional for the goals on the battlefield. Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism. Another example of STFU +10 needed. This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 781	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:10:00 - [8] - Quote i run my medium frame low hp armor stack high armor regen dmg mod stack with logi gear because i use the laser unless ccp buffs the viziam this would break my logi...damage mods are ok for amarians..i dunno what your talking about the assault suits need a buff to their racial bonuses...and logi suits need to be forced to run 2/3 of thier equip with EQUAL LVL gear to avoid assault logis just filling with compact nanos
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1492	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:11:00 - [9] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So fear-mongering to get people to support your specific idea. (Fix TTK first) give assaults 1% damage bonus per level as the general assault bonus. Doing more damage reinforces the role of the assault. Give each assault bonuses to their specific race's weaponry. Minmatar could get explosive/projectile clip size, Amarr assault keeps laser bonus, Caldari could get more effective range for railgun weapons, etc. Bam! now assaults are better at assaulting. Give logi bonuses to equipment. General logi bonus should be PG/CPU reduction of equipment, and each logi could have an equipment related racial bonus. More details here. Logis would still have less speed, less stamina, less base shields (meaning depending on how you use the extra low slot, they may have less HP than assaults), and less shield recharge. Also having no sidearm is a pretty big deal if you're using a weapon like the plasma cannon, swarm launcher, laser rifle, or sniper rifle. The only benefit a logi would have when assaulting is PG/CPU, and that extra low slot. Everything else would be better on assault suits when assaulting. Logis would still be able to tank more, making them good at defense, but less agile, and bonuses would make them more geared towards equipment use. Assaults would be more offense oriented with damage and weapon bonuses, and more agile, and versatile in combat because of sidearm. please, I'm really not out for anything. Its a attempt to insight fear or rally to my cause. its to drum up awareness!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1004	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:13:00 - [10] - Quote Oh dear, you guys don't think like you're supposed to in EVE. Forcing people to fit gear is just not good, a class should never be FORCED, only encouraged. It's quite simple really, you lower the base PG and CPU of the Logistics suit by a considerable amount, and then all Logistics suits should get that lovely Gallente Bonus which lowers their gear cost by a significant margin. That way you can equip a full gambit of gear because the suit makes it cheap, and still fit your defenses with whats left. You can of course choose to NOT equip gear but that would only allow you fit offense/defense that is slightly below that of an assault. This way your EFFECTIVE PG/CPU is brought up because the gear is easy to fit, while to the TOTAL PG/CPU remains too low to fit your Logi to be better than an assault in terms of attack and defense. While this encourages people use gear since its easy to fit, it does not require them to, and thus much less restrictive. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 483	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:13:00 - [11] - Quote We should have it so all suits get an invalid fitting if all slots aren't filled. While we're at it lets get rid of the standard suits fitting proto weaponry by leaving the 1 equipment and/or side arm slot empty. I am going to be pissed when these gallente logi's with more HP than a heavy get me nerfed while I'm just trying to carry my advanced equipment a proto weapon and armor and shield extenders enough to keep me alive
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1492	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:15:00 - [12] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: We should have it so all suits get an invalid fitting if all slots aren't filled. While we're at it lets get rid of the standard suits fitting proto weaponry by leaving the 1 equipment and/or side arm slot empty. I'd be fine with that, tho I doubt anybody else would be. Wait is that a crack?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7145	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:21:00 - [13] - Quote I don't like these arbitrary fitting restrictions. They are completely against the sort of freedom the fitting system is meant to provide. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1126	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:26:00 - [14] - Quote Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1492	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:27:00 - [15] - Quote Fine I withdraw my suggestion.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 483	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:29:00 - [16] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: We should have it so all suits get an invalid fitting if all slots aren't filled. While we're at it lets get rid of the standard suits fitting proto weaponry by leaving the 1 equipment and/or side arm slot empty. I'd be fine with that, tho I doubt anybody else would be. Wait is that a crack? Nope, I'm serious
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1585	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:32:00 - [17] - Quote I may be more of an Assault Logi, but I do not support this idea. I like the idea of the overall Logi bonus being the Gallente Logi bonus, then go from there. ö/\ö :D
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7146	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:33:00 - [18] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months, given how long it takes to deliver new content. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1008	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:36:00 - [19] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. Sadly people don't really think big picture. Honestly the best way to balance just about anything in this game is through PG/CPU and bonuses. My manipulating these you can modify how people use the suits and encourage them to play the role as initially intended without restricting them so much. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 362	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:40:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. Sadly people don't really think big picture. Honestly the best way to balance just about anything in this game is through PG/CPU and bonuses. By manipulating these you can modify how people use the suits and encourage them to play the role as initially intended without restricting them so much. Step 1: Give Assault Suits Damage Bonus per level Step 2: Watch Metrics Step 3: Balance Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.

hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 498	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:52:00 - [21] - Quote I would rather just have my light weapon switched with a sidearm... Minnie Scout & Logi Greatness achieved through persistance.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1722	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:17:00 - [22] - Quote Here's my idea: 1. Remove all damage mods and refund the sp 2. Make every logi have a max of 1 unfilled equipment slot to be usable (a logi can only have 1 unfilled equipment slot to be usable) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1126	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:31:00 - [23] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. No, actually it wouldn't. There is already a tag system in place denoting Heavy, Light and Sidearm weapons. Add a Logi tag and slip it between Light and Sidearm. After that, retag certain weapons as Logi weapons. Personally, I'd suggest the following: Laser Rifle, Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, Sniper Rifle and Swarm Launcher. Voila, Logi weapons in maybe an hour or two of coding. It'd be just as easy to add Logi Weapon Damage Modifiers. This would take care of the AR Assport Logis without taking away support style Light Weapon Logis. Assport logis in large majority carry the bullethose known as an AR. If they couldn't carry it on a Logi, they'd either migrate back to Assault Dropsuits or ragequit altogether, either option is a "Mission Accomplished" in my eyes. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7150	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:46:00 - [24] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. No, actually it wouldn't. Still have yet to provide reasoning why that would be preferable to just changing bonuses. Changing bonuses is still more sensible then creating a new weapon category and reclassifying a bunch of weapons. Even without balance issues, bonus changes would still be needed. Bonuses are a mess right now. Assault shield recharge bonus is useless for the armor-based Gallente assault Caldari assault gets a shield extender HP bonus, something like that makes more sense for a heavy. Minmatar scout melee+bonus is still weaker than a medium frame melee even when maxed out Sentinel bonus is useless for current heavy weapons without feedback damage & only useful if you're careless enough to overheat. Logi bonuses seem completely random and arbitrary, they should have bonuses to equipment fitting instead of repairs. I can go on, but basically balancing by changing the bonuses is more sensible since the bonuses are in need of change anyway. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2242	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:52:00 - [25] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Assault logis already fill their spare slots with compact hives. This idea will make actual logis like my speed-hacker less viable. Still, I think it would be a move in the right direction. I dont wanna see a Logi Nerf, but I have a bad feeling that is going to happen. Either a lost of slots or light weapons. How is it a step in the right direction when it doesn't do anything to address the problem? No.
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 576	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:55:00 - [26] - Quote CCP just needs to handle it the same way it's done in EVE. Logi ships get bonus to remote reps and energy transfer, if you tried to fit it for DPS it would suck compared to DPS cruisers. DPS cruisers get bonuses (application and/or projection) to certain weapons based on race and hull. There are no hard restrictions, but the CPU/PG and bonuses make it hard to fit effectively. Translating this to DUST assault suits should get bonuses similar to how the Amarr assault suit has, logistics need to have their CPU/PG crippled, with a huge fitting bonus to certain equipment (e.g. -50% CPU/PG of all hives, uplinks, needles, and remote reppers). Logi suits can also have bonuses to their equipment like (random example) Minmatar Logi have 5% per level to effectiveness of nanohives resupply rate and hacking speed modules. Maybe Caldari Logi get a 5% per level to nanohive repair rate and remote shield repairer (I know they don't exist yet, but you get the idea). The point isn't the actual bonuses I pulled out of my ass, but the way they could be implemented to incentivize (but not require) certain play styles. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1126	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:59:00 - [27] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. No, actually it wouldn't. Still have yet to provide reasoning why that would be preferable to just changing bonuses. Changing bonuses is still more sensible then creating a new weapon category and reclassifying a bunch of weapons. Even without balance issues, bonus changes would still be needed. Bonuses are a mess right now. Assault shield recharge bonus is useless for the armor-based Gallente assault Caldari assault gets a shield extender HP bonus, something like that makes more sense for a heavy. Minmatar scout melee+bonus is still weaker than a medium frame melee even when maxed out Sentinel bonus is useless for current heavy weapons without feedback damage & only useful if you're careless enough to overheat. Logi bonuses seem completely random and arbitrary, they should have bonuses to equipment fitting instead of repairs. I can go on, but basically balancing by changing the bonuses is more sensible since the bonuses are in need of change anyway. Yes, because a whole new set of bonuses for all suits (some of which we still don't have) would be quicker than adding a couple of tags as a temporary solution.... I agree that all bonuses need reworked, but that is far more long-term than my proposed solution. Which would work in the short-term to fix the problem of Assport AR Logis which correct me if I am wrong, is the problem that is being discussed here and in other threads with Sidearm-Only Logis being seen as an unwanted alternative. I am really starting to think that every logi against this (any tweak o logi weapon selection) only wants to keep their OP, overused bullethose.... Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Hecarim Van Hohen Knights of Eternal Darkness 253	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:16:00 - [28] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism. You seem to be a bit on the mad side, need a cookie? D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7154	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:31:00 - [29] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. No, actually it wouldn't. Still have yet to provide reasoning why that would be preferable to just changing bonuses. Changing bonuses is still more sensible then creating a new weapon category and reclassifying a bunch of weapons. Even without balance issues, bonus changes would still be needed. Bonuses are a mess right now. Assault shield recharge bonus is useless for the armor-based Gallente assault Caldari assault gets a shield extender HP bonus, something like that makes more sense for a heavy. Minmatar scout melee+bonus is still weaker than a medium frame melee even when maxed out Sentinel bonus is useless for current heavy weapons without feedback damage & only useful if you're careless enough to overheat. Logi bonuses seem completely random and arbitrary, they should have bonuses to equipment fitting instead of repairs. I can go on, but basically balancing by changing the bonuses is more sensible since the bonuses are in need of change anyway. Yes, because a whole new set of bonuses for all suits (some of which we still don't have) would be quicker than adding a couple of tags as a temporary solution.... I agree that all bonuses need reworked, but that is far more long-term than my proposed solution. Which would work in the short-term to fix the problem of Assport AR Logis which correct me if I am wrong, is the problem that is being discussed here and in other threads with Sidearm-Only Logis being seen as an unwanted alternative. I am really starting to think that every logi against this (any tweak o logi weapon selection) only wants to keep their OP, overused bullethose.... It may take longer, but I'm willing to bet you its going to happen anyway based on some things CCP said about bonuses a long while ago, so adding your gun reclassification idea as well in addition to the bonus changes is a bit overkill. What may sound like a simple tweak can actually be far more complex to actually implement then you realize. Game development tends to be annoying like that. Also, sounds like your problem is the AR, not the logi. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1127	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:05:00 - [30] - Quote @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

The Shadow Prince Harimau Malaya. 2	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:47:00 - [31] - Quote MAYBE if the restriction is that Logis have to fill in all equipment slots with a different type of equipment. this means slayer logis cant only carry nanohives. It would also reduce the spamming of nanohives & uplinks
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:51:00 - [32] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So fear-mongering to get people to support your specific idea. (Fix TTK first) give assaults 1% damage bonus per level as the general assault bonus. Doing more damage reinforces the role of the assault. Give each assault bonuses to their specific race's weaponry. Minmatar could get explosive/projectile clip size, Amarr assault keeps laser bonus, Caldari could get more effective range for railgun weapons, etc. Bam! now assaults are better at assaulting. Give logi bonuses to equipment. General logi bonus should be PG/CPU reduction of equipment, and each logi could have an equipment related racial bonus. More details here. Logis would still have less speed, less stamina, less base shields (meaning depending on how you use the extra low slot, they may have less HP than assaults), and less shield recharge. Also having no sidearm is a pretty big deal if you're using a weapon like the plasma cannon, swarm launcher, laser rifle, or sniper rifle. The only benefit a logi would have when assaulting is PG/CPU, and that extra low slot. Everything else would be better on assault suits when assaulting. Logis would still be able to tank more, making them good at defense, but less agile, and bonuses would make them more geared towards equipment use. Assaults would be more offense oriented with damage and weapon bonuses, and more agile, and versatile in combat because of sidearm. please, I'm really not out for anything. Its a attempt to insight fear or rally to my cause. its to drum up awareness! Did you even just read what you wrote before you posted it? Take a look at syntax and your form. Just saying it seems a bit confusing, is it an attempt to insight fear, rally people to your cause and drum up awareness? If you are not out for anything, then how is it you are not recognizing the fact that you typed out and posted 3 (three) declarations of expectations about your own action? Confused the man child is.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:52:00 - [33] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism. You seem to be a bit on the mad side, need a cookie? DonGÇÖt poke at the animals. It may come over the fence and devour your face.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:56:00 - [34] - Quote The Shadow Prince wrote: MAYBE if the restriction is that Logis have to fill in all equipment slots with a different type of equipment. this means slayer logis cant only carry nanohives. It would also reduce the spamming of nanohives & uplinks Again. Does any ship in eve have to fill all of its slots to function??? Not that I have ever seen while playing. So, is DUST part of EVE? Last time I checked we are in New Eden. Can I do just about anything I want within this sand box???? Sure as SHITE I can. IF you want to PLAY in a SMALL BOX, go play BF3/4, COD, or any of the other limited games. You are of an apparently limited and diminished imagination. Go back to kindergarden, do some finger painting, let the hair grow, the voice deepen, and then come play with the adults. This just may not be the game for you.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:09:00 - [35] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: I would rather just have my light weapon switched with a sidearm... Why are you buying into this obvious oppression of the free spirit of the LOGI????? DonGÇÖt give in to the small minded and those aligned to the DARK SIDE!!!!! Fear is the mind killer. Free your self of this dispossession of your choices and the ability to preform in the battlefield as you see fit. DonGÇÖt be bullied by the likes of those with constricted imagination and stunted breath of vision. If they are unable to adapt to the environment, they desire to be liquidated for biomass ad sold. There is no room for the weak and maladapted. The universe only helps those along that help themselves through the strategic manipulation of the conditions and circumstances. All those that are begging the crashing waves of freedom should die on the shores of their barren minds and dull intellects. I could have used those tools and your cloned bodies BETTER!!!
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:25:00 - [36] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you??? Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥ All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them. And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥ I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon??? Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN. IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever. Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB.
Cosgar ParagonX 7974	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:26:00 - [37] - Quote Logis aren't going to get nerfed. Even when the witch hunt started, it wasn't all about one logi suit, but the CaLogi with an ungodly amount of CPU/PG, the most module slots out of any suit class at prototype, and a racial bonus that perpetuated the shield > armor imbalance. That one suit could do it all, and did it all short of using a forge gun. CCP doesn't nerf stuff based on forum whining. (at least not on Dust) What we have here is a bit of a repeat of the CaLogi issue with the exception of the GaLogi not having an ungodly slot layout and CPU/PG. Instead, it's armor >shield imbalance with a massive problem with core mechanics that makes brick tanking the end all, be all. Fix TTK so that a brick tanking GaLogi isn't the best suit in the game and the problem is solved. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 977	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:39:00 - [38] - Quote I am just sick of seeing logi assaults doing a better job than assaults can. It is F**** stupid a Amarr Logi can load up on armor and what ever the F* else and still carry a side arm. I said it once I will say it again, reduce the slots by 1 each, side arm weapon only. You are support not a slayer act like one and stop running around the battlefield like an assault and be the D* support you are supposed to be. If you do not like the idea, well spec into assault and run an assault class. You cant have both sides of the coin, its F** stupid. Do not eat the yellow snow
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1127	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:41:00 - [39] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you??? Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥ All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them. And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥ I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon??? Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN. IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever. Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB. LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF beats chest I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it. Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging. LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two. LOL Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:44:00 - [40] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: The problem is that CCP will look at the situation and the thought pattern will probably go like this: People are using the Logistics suit as an Assault Suit what should we do? Nerf the Logistics Suit. Instead of going, why are people using the Logistics suits over the Assault suits? Slot Layout among other things. Maybe the assault suits simply need to be more effective then? Potentially, maybe give them something like oh idk, damage output increase for the assault skill instead of something that makes no sense like shield recharge? Would be a good place to start. I liked this post for only this reason. see the emboldened above. The addition of the damage to the assaults is not the way to go. People roll logiGÇÖs because of the spectrum of equipment they carry. It is simple; more options. The single equip on an assault (which didnGÇÖt use to be that way with proto assaults back before Uprising) is what makes people so attracted to them on top of the additional ability to tank. But is comes at a price - slower movement and the lack of a sidearm. It is a game of give and take and it seems that those that are stubbornly attached to one definition or another of what a GÇ£logiGÇ¥ is supposed to be should maybe take a step back and look around them. They are not the only people. They are not in the majority, even when a person considers the small size of our community at this moment. And this is EVE. ADJUST< ADAPT AND OVERCOME. Is this to say that some rounds, or even some days donGÇÖt completely frustrate the crap out of me. NO. I have those days myself. But I also have some great fun with the mates in my corp. One of the ways that is possible is because of how I PLAY LOGI. Some games I slay and pick up the slack, other matches I am doing nothing but reviving clones and getting my arse shot off. What ever gap that needs filling in my pack, I am there. That is what a logi is designed to do; is the jack of all trades and bright yellow, which screams GÇ£SHOOT THE SH!T OUT OF ME!!!!" Wait until after the new weapons come out and after the new dropsuits. More variety on that end will end up leveling the entire field. At least in the number of potential solutions one has to the changing battlefield environment. Plus it may bring in a few more players. The issue is that the AR is king, and the SCR has begun to creep up on it as a go-to weapon. This has created some issues in the perceived choices available to players in the means of how they deal with threats on the battlefield. Greater weapon and suit variety will help with this feeling of being trapped in a mind limited in the number of perceivable solutions or tools for a completing specified tasks. I may have sacked you out not he battlefield, but it is Business. Grow up and be an adult. Stop being a child. Welcome to NEW EDEN and HTFU!

Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:51:00 - [41] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you??? Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥ All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them. And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥ I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon??? Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN. IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever. Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB. LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF beats chest I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it. Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging. LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two. LOL Even with the juvenile sarcasm you still failed to read that I addressed everyone of your arguments. The bounty on you was a joke. The fact that you think that you have the authority to interpret and impose a lane upon others was the primary issue I was addressing. But you did give so much ammunition that I had to make sure that I used every shot you left out. An issue I see is that you seems to believe that your bias and narrow interpretation of GÇ£what a logiGÇ¥ should be is what sang out to me. You see, you even mentioned out your self that logi should be a team player, yet the corralling of opponents and killing them is the most minimal of expected behaviors from a team mate. If you donGÇÖt like that, then either donGÇÖt play, or get into a squad. Also get over the fact that your OCD for control can never be realized in a public arena. If you have control issues, you may want to vista a professional and seek help for it if you find that it is impeding upon the enjoyment of this piece of entertainment. Put on your big boy pants when you are ready to play with the adults. Till then, donGÇÖt jump into adult conversations, let alone adult entertainment. It may damage your child like mind.
Cosgar ParagonX 7974	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:52:00 - [42] - Quote calvin b wrote: I am just sick of seeing logi assaults doing a better job than assaults can. It is F**** stupid a Amarr Logi can load up on armor and what ever the F* else and still carry a side arm. I said it once I will say it again, reduce the slots by 1 each, side arm weapon only. You are support not a slayer act like one and stop running around the battlefield like an assault and be the D* support you are supposed to be. If you do not like the idea, well spec into assault and run an assault class. You cant have both sides of the coin, its F** stupid. This isn't an RPG where you shove robes and a staff into the support class' hands. Dust is a FPS, we're all slayers first and whatever our secondary role is second. Would you rather have a banana man by your side, helping you take that objective or dead weight following you around with a repper? The problem is assaults aren't worth the SP investment. All you get is a white basic medium frame with 2 bonuses. Give the assaults more base stats, slightly more CPU and/or PG, and maybe even a different slot layout from the basic frames to make them worth that SP sink. This was never about assault vs logi, but assault vs basic medium frame. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 140	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:54:00 - [43] - Quote Giving the Logi's a huge role bonus to reduce the PG/CPU of equipment, and then reducing base CPU/PG to compensate is a great idea to instantly fix the problem of super-tanked logi's with no equipment whatsoever. Hell instead of a 'per-level' bonus, just make it a flat 50% (or whatever is appropriate) and then give it per-level bonuses to equipment effectiveness and something racially flavored. Just a thought.
dogmanpig black market bank 50	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:05:00 - [44] - Quote in short the reason why logis are used over assault is simple. lets take a assault suit (proto) vs logi suit(proto) assault 1 LW 1 SW 3 secondary 4 tanking 1 equipment thats 10 slots, 11 if your count sidearm as 2 slots logi 1 LW 4secondary 5 tanking 3equipment thats 13 slots and the you get into players not needing their sidearms because the light weapons works in just about every case(you know which ones) and you get 9slots vs 13 i didn't count nades because both have the same amount but its still 10 vs 14 then and you see why the rise of assault logis has came, it just has more to ofter with very limited negatives over assault suits. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Lorhak Gannarsein 619	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:42:00 - [45] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you??? Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥ All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them. And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥ I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon??? Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN. IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever. Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB. LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF beats chest I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it. Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging. LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two. LOL soooo. I run a Gallente Logistics with two damage mods on an Imperial ScR. Does that make me an AssaultLogi? (ps. I've been doing this since loooong before 1.6 - although I was using a Carthum before hit detection was good XD) Guess what my equipment slots are filled with? Wrong! It's not compact nanohives! I use quite a few different types of equipment, shockingly enough! I always have a scanner, of course, and some kind of hive that can rep, also of course, but my usual layout looks like this: ADV Quantum Scanner, Wiyrkomi Nanohive, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, R-9 Drop uplinks. Another layout is scanner + Alloteks + Wyka needle + Core Focused. Often I drop the scanner for a Core Focused on the first, or to allow me to fit dedicated nanohives on the second. I run a proper logistical setup (my hives are usually used for my squadmates - my own healing is incidental), and I'm running a prototype weapon. Is that really a problem for you? If so, why? Do you actually have a problem with me fitting my suit in such a way as to maximise both my equipment slots and my offensive capability? Why can't I do both?
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 323	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:32:00 - [46] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Assault logis already fill their spare slots with compact hives. This idea will make actual logis like my speed-hacker less viable. Still, I think it would be a move in the right direction. I dont wanna see a Logi Nerf, but I have a bad feeling that is going to happen. Either a lost of slots or light weapons. How is it a step in the right direction when it doesn't do anything to address the problem? Who said there was even a problem in the first place? A couple of kids crying about the fact that this game doesnGÇÖt play like COD or BF3 with their GÇ£predefined classes?GÇ¥ I thought this was supposed to be a thinking adultGÇÖs immersive FPS. Not just a rehash of every other POS iteration of what the last developing publisher thinks it should be. This argument is old as the day is long and it makes me tired and weary from listing to all of the kids cry about solving a problem where there is really no problem. If there is a problem it is a personal on for those of you that seem to continue to lack the ability to find a solution that works for you. And IF that solution works for you, it more than likely WILL NOT work for lots of other people. That is the nature of life and the immersive universe that CCP is bringing to us. That is New Eden. HTFU people. This conversation is boring and old. It really is not even a conversation. It is a bunch of spoiled brats whining about how they should get what they want and the hell with everyone else. That to me sounds suspiciously like a narcissistic rant of a manic. The only time that you are going to get your Burger King Moments of your way right away, is to do the math, identify the issues that require your attention and create a dynamic solution that can address it.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 127	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:48:00 - [47] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: hackerzilla wrote: I would rather just have my light weapon switched with a sidearm... Why are you buying into this obvious oppression of the free spirit of the LOGI????? DonGÇÖt give in to the small minded and those aligned to the DARK SIDE!!!!! Fear is the mind killer. Free your self of this dispossession of your choices and the ability to preform in the battlefield as you see fit. DonGÇÖt be bullied by the likes of those with constricted imagination and stunted breath of vision. If they are unable to adapt to the environment, they desire to be liquidated for biomass ad sold. There is no room for the weak and maladapted. The universe only helps those along that help themselves through the strategic manipulation of the conditions and circumstances. All those that are begging the crashing waves of freedom should die on the shores of their barren minds and dull intellects. I could have used those tools and your cloned bodies BETTER!!! "Fear is the mind killer"? Are you a Dune fan? Logi bonuses are better than logi nerfs. Rephrase, class bonuses that make sense are better. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 775	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:56:00 - [48] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Do you actually have a problem with me fitting my suit in such a way as to maximise both my equipment slots and my offensive capability? Why can't I do both? Because, nobody else can. Simple as that. Why can't Scouts carry Heavy weapons? Why can't Heavies carry equipment? Why can't assault carry to light weapons? Why does every other suit have to sacrifice except yours? inb4 you claim not having a sidearm(besides Amaar) is a sacrifice, lol. I'm all for logis, and they can have all the WP they desire, but why do we have assault suits in the game? A logi can scan, resuplly and heal for himself as well as being just as effective at assaulting... FPS needs counters and balance. If you really stretch it, it's like saying why can't Lance Armstrong get his medals back? He used every exploit to win, so why not just let him have it and f*ck everyone else? A game of endless choices, but it has come down to one suit, and all the other suits aren't even in the game yet... CCP really needs to take a look at balance.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 254	Posted - 2013.11.21 09:25:00 - [49] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: in short the reason why logis are used over assault is simple. lets take a assault suit (proto) vs logi suit(proto) assault 1 LW 1 SW 3 secondary 4 tanking 1 equipment thats 10 slots, 11 if your count sidearm as 2 slots logi 1 LW 4secondary 5 tanking 3equipment thats 13 slots and the you get into players not needing their sidearms because the light weapons works in just about every case(you know which ones) and you get 9slots vs 13 i didn't count nades because both have the same amount but its still 10 vs 14 then and you see why the rise of assault logis has came, it just has more to ofter with very limited negatives over assault suits. The sidearm is worth two slots, as is the assault base stat advantage (movement speed, sprint speed, HP, usually shield regen). So that makes it 13 versus 13. I think a good fix for anti-logi QQ might be giving assaults an extra slot or two in exchange for equalization of base stats. Since most assaults either don't know that they have a base stat advantage over logis, or think its so worthless its not worth mentioning in these comparisons, they shouldn't mind giving it up in exchange for the extra slots that they crave.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1127	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:25:00 - [50] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you??? Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥ All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them. And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥ I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon??? Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN. IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever. Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB. LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF beats chest I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it. Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging. LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two. LOL soooo. I run a Gallente Logistics with two damage mods on an Imperial ScR. Does that make me an AssaultLogi? (ps. I've been doing this since loooong before 1.6 - although I was using a Carthum before hit detection was good XD) Guess what my equipment slots are filled with? Wrong! It's not compact nanohives! I use quite a few different types of equipment, shockingly enough! I always have a scanner, of course, and some kind of hive that can rep, also of course, but my usual layout looks like this: ADV Quantum Scanner, Wiyrkomi Nanohive, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, R-9 Drop uplinks. Another layout is scanner + Alloteks + Wyka needle + Core Focused. Often I drop the scanner for a Core Focused on the first, or to allow me to fit dedicated nanohives on the second. I run a proper logistical setup (my hives are usually used for my squadmates - my own healing is incidental), and I'm running a prototype weapon. Is that really a problem for you? If so, why? Do you actually have a problem with me fitting my suit in such a way as to maximise both my equipment slots and my offensive capability? Why can't I do both? TBH, IDGAF anymore, I've started running in other suits, I'll be ready when all of the ubersuit assport logi get nerfed into obsolescence cause they wanted to do everything while screaming "ITS MY SUIT I'LL DO WHAT I WANT!!" in cartmans voice. I'll lend my silent support through likes to to those willing to fight the good fight as I've become exasperated yet again with this argument. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 661	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:54:00 - [51] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat. In EvE every ship has a specific role. Logistics ships like the basilisc or the now popular guardians do not have any notable assault capabilities. They are class specific therefore your comment leaves me to believe that you haven't played eve. TBH I don't care if CCP takes my light weapon slot and replaces it with a side arm. My weapons are my teammates and they get stuff done better if I'm repping rather than shooting. Plasma Cannon Advocate
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 254	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:26:00 - [52] - Quote The simplest solution to the whole 'Assault Logi' problem is make the AR, SrR, LR, CR, and RR a brand new weapon category, lets say Assault Weapons, and make that wearable only by the Basic Medium, Assault and Commando frames. The remaining Light Weapon would be changed to Specialist Weapons, wearable by everyone else. Apply suit bonuses as needed. Any of the weapon that done damage exceeding fast are considered broken in the hands of a LOgi because of the extra fitting resources that we have. I'd rather that lose those, as I actually do my job as a Logi. I am willing to not be able to wield AR/ScR on my Logi suits. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Kaughst 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 40	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:30:00 - [53] - Quote I think they already said that they will redo the logi suit bonuses to become more equipment based. Every go-to weapon and suit will ends up that way, CCP will obviously change it to be less of a confrontational suit. It was absolutely hilarious when I saw all the caldari suits people were using the day before it was nerfed. To this day the same people I hear wanting a respec are usually the same people who speced into caldari logi. Kaughst, kost, kogist, kaust, kahst, kog. I go by many names. Mostly because people do not know how to pronounce my name
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 243	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:47:00 - [54] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: The simplest solution to the whole 'Assault Logi' problem is make the AR, SrR, LR, CR, and RR a brand new weapon category, lets say Assault Weapons, and make that wearable only by the Basic Medium, Assault and Commando frames. The remaining Light Weapon would be changed to Specialist Weapons, wearable by everyone else. Apply suit bonuses as needed. Any of the weapon that done damage exceeding fast are considered broken in the hands of a LOgi because of the extra fitting resources that we have. I'd rather that lose those, as I actually do my job as a Logi. I am willing to not be able to wield AR/ScR on my Logi suits. This would be basicly the end of the sandbox approach that makes Dust different from other shooters. The next Question is why stop there? Make plates heavy exclusive, make kincats scout exclusive etc.
trraacx Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 27	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:48:00 - [55] - Quote I don't see what the problem is, if the logi is the better assault suit, who cares. If it is a problem that for some reason logi suits shouldn't be better assult suits, there is a simple solution. Give logi suits a separate CPU and PG for their logi gear.
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 255	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:56:00 - [56] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Vin Mora wrote: The simplest solution to the whole 'Assault Logi' problem is make the AR, SrR, LR, CR, and RR a brand new weapon category, lets say Assault Weapons, and make that wearable only by the Basic Medium, Assault and Commando frames. The remaining Light Weapon would be changed to Specialist Weapons, wearable by everyone else. Apply suit bonuses as needed. Any of the weapon that done damage exceeding fast are considered broken in the hands of a LOgi because of the extra fitting resources that we have. I'd rather that lose those, as I actually do my job as a Logi. I am willing to not be able to wield AR/ScR on my Logi suits. This would be basicly the end of the sandbox approach that makes Dust different from other shooters. The next Question is why stop there? Make plates heavy exclusive, make kincats scout exclusive etc. Fine, split the weapons up, and give bonuses as needed, but none to Logis. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 243	Posted - 2013.11.21 14:07:00 - [57] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Vin Mora wrote: The simplest solution to the whole 'Assault Logi' problem is make the AR, SrR, LR, CR, and RR a brand new weapon category, lets say Assault Weapons, and make that wearable only by the Basic Medium, Assault and Commando frames. The remaining Light Weapon would be changed to Specialist Weapons, wearable by everyone else. Apply suit bonuses as needed. Any of the weapon that done damage exceeding fast are considered broken in the hands of a LOgi because of the extra fitting resources that we have. I'd rather that lose those, as I actually do my job as a Logi. I am willing to not be able to wield AR/ScR on my Logi suits. This would be basicly the end of the sandbox approach that makes Dust different from other shooters. The next Question is why stop there? Make plates heavy exclusive, make kincats scout exclusive etc. Fine, split the weapons up, and give bonuses as needed, but none to Logis. Why stop with the weapons? Simply make any module, weapon and equipment suit exclusive and there your are. No more Dust just another BF3 clone with predefined classes. I like the freedom of choice, I like to able to tank my scout if I feel the need to do it. Or to create a fast Heavy, a super fast hacking Assault...
R F Gyro Clones 4u 654	Posted - 2013.11.21 14:07:00 - [58] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit! If CCP are planning an assault logi nerf of some sort then I assume (hope) they'll have a discussion thread about it in which we can give feedback on the various options: sidearm-only, penalty to damage mods, no grenade slot, must-use-equipment, etc. This thread will probably vanish unnoticed into the wastebin of forum history like all the others, unfortunately. Also: how about we use the term "support logi" rather than "true logi" to reflect the different focus? It is less inflammatory. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
SteelheadPep Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 0	Posted - 2013.11.21 14:19:00 - [59] - Quote Does anyone remember the Cal logi nerf? 20mil SP, support logi, pitiful KDR to prove it. CCP is looking at how many FOTM slayer logis are out there. Solution #235 to the big bad logi problem; logi suits cannot fit damage mods, but stacking penalties should be increased and/or cpu requirements should be increased for damage mods used on every other suit.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 324	Posted - 2013.11.21 16:05:00 - [60] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat. In EvE every ship has a specific role. Logistics ships like the basilisc or the now popular guardians do not have any notable assault capabilities. They are class specific therefore your comment leaves me to believe that you haven't played eve. TBH I don't care if CCP takes my light weapon slot and replaces it with a side arm. My weapons are my teammates and they get stuff done better if I'm repping rather than shooting. Have played EVE and as for how you deem what is best for you doesnGÇÖt mean it is what works best for me. Like the choices I made when Uprising was released, I specifically chose the suit that I run for the purpose of being a frontline support, i.e., Amarr Logi. It had the best combination of load out, flexibility, and also restrictions that I felt that I could work within and use to my advantage. As for the specificity of roles for the ships in EVE and then doing an across the board tomato to tomato comparison, well there isnGÇÖt one. There are some lines of commonality between DUST and EVE, granted. Yet those are only really superficial. When you look under the hood, DUST and EVE are quite different. The Similarity I draw from is the fact that CCP doesnGÇÖt limit what you can put on your ship, such as they shouldnGÇÖt in regards to Dropsuits. But that is the predominate solution presented by the people crying about how supposedly OP the logiGÇÖs are. The fact of the matter is that CCP usually identifies role specificity through the bonuses. Could those see a change to designate this idea that everyone is running around with of being a GÇ£true logi?GÇ¥ Sure. But, what I havenGÇÖt seen is a determination of what a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is by CCP. What I have seen is a bunch of people that have obviously failed in creating effective solutions to battlefield conditions, they have gotten mercGÇÖd for it, and now they are crying foul. They are crying foul because of their own inability to be adaptive. Personally HTFU. Until I see a thread from the DEVGÇÖs that states their intention to adjust and define the logistics role, I will continue to be a walking tool box of equipment and death for my team, my squad, and MY CORP. If you donGÇÖt like it, GTFOI (i.e., get the fk over it). We are humans. One of the reasons we have developed technology and in the premise of this game have been able to develop this GÇ£clone techGÇ¥ is because of our ability to be adaptive problem solvers. Those that have failed to do so have fallen to dust and are lost in the annuals of history. I for one, at least in the respects of this community REFUSE to do so. Hence the reason why I am so adamantly against the QQ in this thread and every other thread that is bashing the adaptive application of a Logi suit. Grow a spine, some imagination, and produce a solution that works for you. As of right now this is still a sandbox game that is based around choices. Just because you donGÇÖt know how to make adaptive and effective choices doesnGÇÖt mean you get to crap on mine, or my ability to be an operative force for my squad, team, and corp. And before everyone goes around screaming for the nerf hammer to be laid down, why donGÇÖt we show some patience and wait for the majority of gear to rear its head.

XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 663	Posted - 2013.11.21 21:49:00 - [61] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat. In EvE every ship has a specific role. Logistics ships like the basilisc or the now popular guardians do not have any notable assault capabilities. They are class specific therefore your comment leaves me to believe that you haven't played eve. TBH I don't care if CCP takes my light weapon slot and replaces it with a side arm. My weapons are my teammates and they get stuff done better if I'm repping rather than shooting. Have played EVE and as for how you deem what is best for you doesnGÇÖt mean it is what works best for me. Like the choices I made when Uprising was released, I specifically chose the suit that I run for the purpose of being a frontline support, i.e., Amarr Logi. It had the best combination of load out, flexibility, and also restrictions that I felt that I could work within and use to my advantage. As for the specificity of roles for the ships in EVE and then doing an across the board tomato to tomato comparison, well there isnGÇÖt one. There are some lines of commonality between DUST and EVE, granted. Yet those are only really superficial. When you look under the hood, DUST and EVE are quite different. The Similarity I draw from is the fact that CCP doesnGÇÖt limit what you can put on your ship, such as they shouldnGÇÖt in regards to Dropsuits. But that is the predominate solution presented by the people crying about how supposedly OP the logiGÇÖs are. The fact of the matter is that CCP usually identifies role specificity through the bonuses. Could those see a change to designate this idea that everyone is running around with of being a GÇ£true logi?GÇ¥ Sure. But, what I havenGÇÖt seen is a determination of what a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is by CCP. What I have seen is a bunch of people that have obviously failed in creating effective solutions to battlefield conditions, they have gotten mercGÇÖd for it, and now they are crying foul. They are crying foul because of their own inability to be adaptive. Personally HTFU. Until I see a thread from the DEVGÇÖs that states their intention to adjust and define the logistics role, I will continue to be a walking tool box of equipment and death for my team, my squad, and MY CORP. If you donGÇÖt like it, GTFOI (i.e., get the fk over it). We are humans. One of the reasons we have developed technology and in the premise of this game have been able to develop this GÇ£clone techGÇ¥ is because of our ability to be adaptive problem solvers. Those that have failed to do so have fallen to dust and are lost in the annuals of history. I for one, at least in the respects of this community REFUSE to do so. Hence the reason why I am so adamantly against the QQ in this thread and every other thread that is bashing the adaptive application of a Logi suit. Grow a spine, some imagination, and produce a solution that works for you. As of right now this is still a sandbox game that is based around choices. Just because you donGÇÖt know how to make adaptive and effective choices doesnGÇÖt mean you get to crap on mine, or my ability to be an operative force for my squad, team, and corp. And before everyone goes around screaming for the nerf hammer to be laid down, why donGÇÖt we show some patience and wait for the majority of gear to rear its head. I'm pretty sure if they make logis only use sidearms the amar would still have a light weapon slot. It's only fair because you chose to be an assault logi but equipment oriented logis not so much. Ps : still don't believe you've ever played enough eve to know how logis work there. CCP does limit what you can put on your ship hence turret and missile hard points. There are modules specifically for ship types like the covert op cloak for cover ops ships, the micro jump drive only for battleship class... I can go on. Classes need to be defined and tuned or else we have what happens in dust where thing are abused. Plasma Cannon Advocate
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1127	Posted - 2013.11.21 21:54:00 - [62] - Quote @XxGhazbaranxX I hereby put forth that logis only be allowed to fit reps leashes and militia weapons with which to ***** on killmails. That'll show them what Eve logis are really like..... Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 664	Posted - 2013.11.21 22:07:00 - [63] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: @XxGhazbaranxX I hereby put forth that logis only be allowed to fit reps leashes and militia weapons with which to ***** on killmails. That'll show them what Eve logis are really like..... Hahaha true. But to be honest that is exactly how I play. My mate go 20+ and dies maybe once and I go 0 0 sometimes and top the board. Gall logi and gall assault synergy Plasma Cannon Advocate
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1730	Posted - 2013.11.21 22:14:00 - [64] - Quote What's really funny is that outside of the gallente assault, all the other assaults actually do have viable and important advantages to their logi brethren that make them better. You don't find a suit that strafes better with more hp than the mini assault. The caldari is super effective because of it's shields bonus, except to scramblers T_T Amarr are the lazer () and scrambler masters and make the scrambler OP imo, they are suuuuuper useful. All of them have better move speed that the logi aside from the amarr which is slower than the mini logi obviously. All you need to do to fix logi's is give assaults a 2nd equip and let them keep the same cpu/pg and give scouts a bit more cpu/pg and a 2nd equip as well. Also you need to decrease TTK so that the logi's inability to use a sidearm is relevant and plays a role in it's destruction vs other classes vs right now where you stack 3 damage mods and kill them without it no issue. That's Master nader to you scrub. Skype me @ Zatara.Rought CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 465	Posted - 2013.11.21 22:23:00 - [65] - Quote Who wants to join the "every-time-a-logi-thread-gets-posted-you-have-to-take-a-shot"-game?
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 489	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:20:00 - [66] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: What's really funny is that outside of the gallente assault, all the other assaults actually do have viable and important advantages to their logi brethren that make them better. You don't find a suit that strafes better with more hp than the mini assault. The caldari is super effective because of it's shields bonus, except to scramblers T_T Amarr are the lazer () and scrambler masters and make the scrambler OP imo, they are suuuuuper useful. All of them have better move speed that the logi aside from the amarr which is slower than the mini logi obviously. All you need to do to fix logi's is give assaults a 2nd equip and let them keep the same cpu/pg and give scouts a bit more cpu/pg and a 2nd equip as well. Also you need to decrease TTK so that the logi's inability to use a sidearm is relevant and plays a role in it's destruction vs other classes vs right now where you stack 3 damage mods and kill them without it no issue. I think you mean increase TTK, but overall your point is good. It's the all around assault bonus that is lame !0% to shield regen at level 5 is not a very good bonus IMHO. 2% to weapon damage per level would suit the assault suit much better I think so that assault players at level 5 basically are getting a free complex damage mod it kind of has a nice yin to the yang of logi's getting a free complex armor repair mod at level 5.
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 16:46:00 - [67] - Quote No more sniper rifles for logi. Hate 2 die from 1 shot thale or charged one. Proto logi with 20+ kills and little wp score makes me laugh Boy you are not cool you are just another fool. I can do same wp amount as You running militia logi. Using ONLY nanos and links. @assaults Realize that there are 2 kind of logis: -full support have 4 equipments (m & g) -assault logi have 3 equipments ( a & c) As ammar logi there is no problem for me to get more than 2000 wp with few kills only. Most of my wp are healing nades, drop links, injector or scanner. The best thing is that most the time my k/d ratio will be better when I wear dragonfly assault with exile ar, both shields and scanner as eq. Even when on proto logi I wear 1complex dmg with duvolle or on adv one exile ar with 2xcomplex dmg modes. Assaults are faster and less visible. Use it for your advantage. If I can do that as a full logi but wearing dragonfly assault it means that most of U can do it also. Skill is the key. Stop bitching use brain. Everybody have some weaknesses. If U want second eq it's not a problem for me. But ask Ccp to slow down assault a bit. I hate selfish killer logis same. But I'm not bitching forum. I take militia heavy with nikkon forge gun and I'm hunting him. After 1-3 pictures you won't see assault logi with 3 dmg modes.
Preacher Death 2 Stoned Avengers 57	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:01:00 - [68] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit! There is no thing as a GÇ£true logi.GÇ¥ Get over this dispossessive attitude that is based upon stereotyping and pejorative biases that do nothing for this game. I can use my suit how ever I want and the support that I give as a logistics officer is functional for the goals on the battlefield. Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism. Another example of STFU +10 needed. This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat. You sir are trying far to hard for a like. Also a true logi in regards to eve is essentially armor and shield repping, nothing else.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1232	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:19:00 - [69] - Quote This is a stupid idea, shot down multiple times in the past. Compact hives in every slot and BAM, no-one gives a damn. All it restricts are people attempting to make interesting suits. Shields as Weapons
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1515	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:23:00 - [70] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: This is a stupid idea, shot down multiple times in the past. Compact hives in every slot and BAM, no-one gives a damn. All it restricts are people attempting to make interesting suits. So dmg mods and no equipment is a interesting suit?

stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 495	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:39:00 - [71] - Quote Here is how to fix the issue. Give assaults and scouts their second equipment slot back and a majority of the assault logis will return to the assault suit, including myself.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 327	Posted - 2013.11.22 18:41:00 - [72] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Here is how to fix the issue. Give assaults and scouts their second equipment slot back and a majority of the assault logis will return to the assault suit, including myself. RIGHT!!!! The lost of the second slot at Proto may have been one of the catalysts with the release of Uprising in May. That is when all of us that may have been focused on assault and those that were strictly support/triage logistics spilled into each other in the competition for roles and field flexibility. Then readmittance of the secondary slots on proto suits for the Scout and Assault may encourage some people to revert back to previous iterations of themselves, but it is by no means a solution for this conflict over the definition of identity and the associated symbolic imagery. Difference in the visions of reality will always persist. This is a community, of sorts, last time I checked. These things need to be teased out, reshaped, and allow for multiple interpretations of the same canvas. Artistic endeavors, such as the creation of layouts and how they are put into play, require a sense of freedom, not constraint. The reality is this: nerfing the logos is not going to solve the GÇ£problemGÇ¥ because the only problem is a difference in semantical application of labels and how the definition is negotiated and agreed upon. This is no different than the split in Catholics and Lutherans, Reformed and Orthodox Jews, Sunni and ShiGÇÖite, or any other ideological split in a sociopolitical group. Even if a GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ is presented and imposed, somebody is going to be frustrated and angry about the results of said GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ and cry foul. Let the nature of human interaction work it out and if CCP decides to change something, that is the way it may go. For a time. And them something else will change. If the issue is that supposedly GÇ£too manyGÇ¥ people are playing as LogiGÇÖs and CCP would like to see a different distribution of the player base amongst dropsuits or just would like to see a wider variety of suits being used, then change is inevitable. Would I like to have my current dropsuit, the Amarr Logi, nerved? Absolutely not. I think the drawbacks that I have to consider and deal with given the specific advantages the suit has, seems to be fairly balanced and really plays to the strengths of certain players. But it doesnGÇÖt work for everyone. Would I have stayed assault if I didnGÇÖt loose the second equipment slot from my Caldari Assault on this toon? Maybe, maybe not. I was playing strict support MD Minni Logi on another toon while I was cultivating Kaz. In all honestly I have always played support classes since BF 1943, with ammo and suppression fire capabilities. IN the military I was blessed to be taken under the wing of a couple of 18D doing some clinical time in a TMC. Probably would have been happier if I could have had a role in the Real World military like the one I play on Dust. My point is semantics are meant to be negotiated, not imposed. The imposition of perception is what initiated the systemic reality of the cycle of nerf and buff. I donGÇÖt think it is really beneficial to cultivating this community and giving it the opportunity to grow. IT is creating an environment that encourages the abject imposition of narrow-mindedness that seems to be NOT what CCP promotes. We are here to take the tools they give us and we are then supposed to create a role for ourselves and the social groups (i.e., corporation and alliances) we engage with. Why would you want to limit creativity. Allow it to expand.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 327	Posted - 2013.11.22 18:43:00 - [73] - Quote Preacher Death 2 wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit! There is no thing as a GÇ£true logi.GÇ¥ Get over this dispossessive attitude that is based upon stereotyping and pejorative biases that do nothing for this game. I can use my suit how ever I want and the support that I give as a logistics officer is functional for the goals on the battlefield. Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism. Another example of STFU +10 needed. This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat. You sir are trying far to hard for a like. Also a true logi in regards to eve is essentially armor and shield repping, nothing else. There is no such thing in dust though. Too much frontline action for that to work consistently. Another solution has to come into playa and other options need to be available.
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1587	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:24:00 - [74] - Quote Still hope Logis don't lose their Light weapons. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 519	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:39:00 - [75] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Here is how to fix the issue. Give assaults and scouts their second equipment slot back and a majority of the assault logis will return to the assault suit, including myself. Give it to scouts to give themselves an advantage over Assaults. Assaults don't need more than 1 EQ slot.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 932	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:02:00 - [76] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Here is how to fix the issue. Give assaults and scouts their second equipment slot back and a majority of the assault logis will return to the assault suit, including myself. Give it to scouts to give themselves an advantage over Assaults. Assaults don't need more than 1 EQ slot. IMO Assaults should have NO Equipment slots. My Idea of how the classes should work: Assaults: Lots of Slots, Enough CPU/PG to run it, no equipment. Racial bonus is to damage. You are here to kill, and that is what you should focus on. Scouts: Medium amount of slots (screw that 5 at proto crap), Enough CPU/PG to run it, one equipment. You are meant to Reconnaissance or an Infiltrator. Use the dampening to remain hidden while tracking targets or to infiltrate bases and take unguarded installations. Logis: Medium amount of slots. Enough CPU/PG to run it, 3-4 equipment. Racial bonus is to reduce Equipment CPU/PG consumption. Your main goal is to support your teammates. This doesn't mean you SHOULDN'T kill people, it just means that you should focus on supporting the team first. If you see a red-dot running away at 50m and a blue-dot in need of repair and ammo, You should focus on the blue-dot, not killing the enemy. Heavy: Medium Amount of slots. Enough CPU/PG to run it, no equipment. Racial Bonus should be damage resistance on the Sentinel. You should have INSANE eHP, but be slow as HELL. Seriously, if you are going to move from a location, you should seriously consider either a transport, or have a squad cover you. The drawbacks to being hard to take down is the fact that you can't really chase anyone down. If someone decides to run away, there isn't much you can do. This will make a heavy an excellent defender or front-line attacker. In short, a heavy is supposed to force the front line to either deal with him or to run away. Aggro should come to mind here. Just my opinion. Feel free to troll, lol, hate, or debate as you see fit. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 84	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:06:00 - [77] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit! all im saying is ....now LOGI dies alot for the squad leads OB"s and his reward is a lowere KDR ...I dont think so. No...... full respec Closed Beta Tester since Crater Lake My motto regarding haters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8gAb3uc6fk
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1602	Posted - 2013.11.27 02:15:00 - [78] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Here is how to fix the issue. Give assaults and scouts their second equipment slot back and a majority of the assault logis will return to the assault suit, including myself. Give it to scouts to give themselves an advantage over Assaults. Assaults don't need more than 1 EQ slot. Agreed. We don't need to blur the line anymore :) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 68	Posted - 2013.11.27 02:21:00 - [79] - Quote As others have said the problem with the logistics being used as an assault stems from its huge number of slots and its ridiculous amount of cpu and pg... if you lower the cpu and pg, but give a reduction to fitting costs of equipment people are no longer able to simply abandon equipment in favor of putting on as many damage and armor modules as possible.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 328	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:34:00 - [80] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis Sweet, another brown shirt has arrived.

BMSTUBBY 343	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:43:00 - [81] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: The problem is that CCP will look at the situation and the thought pattern will probably go like this: People are using the Logistics suit as an Assault Suit what should we do? Nerf the Logistics Suit. Instead of going, why are people using the Logistics suits over the Assault suits? Slot Layout among other things. Maybe the assault suits simply need to be more effective then? Potentially, maybe give them something like oh idk, damage output increase for the assault skill instead of something that makes no sense like shield recharge? Would be a good place to start. This ^ Buff Assault, and divert the nerf QQer's towards them. Yeah, yeah that's the ticket. I used to play DUST514 but then CCP took a COD arrow to their knee. MMO Someday SoonGäó
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 360	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:47:00 - [82] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit! There is no thing as a GÇ£true logi.GÇ¥ Get over this dispossessive attitude that is based upon stereotyping and pejorative biases that do nothing for this game. I can use my suit how ever I want and the support that I give as a logistics officer is functional for the goals on the battlefield. Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism. Another example of STFU +10 needed. This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat. We can setup battleship's in EVE to run logistic's not as well... because the logistic's have bonus's to being a logi... You can't setup a logi in EVE to be more effective then a DPS ship at DPSING... Freedom in fit's isn't something that negates game design. Everyone went logi originally because they took our two equipment slot's away from as sault suit's... then gave us a 16vs16 planetary conquest mode that was based on clone counts... So everyone went logi to have a needle + something.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1173	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:00:00 - [83] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis Sweet, another brown shirt has arrived. Yep, with the expandable baton of justice in my hand to beat silence into the dissenter. I will take my torch of truth to burn their heretical texts so that their blasphemous lies will not poison the minds of our logi youth. Jackbooted, I will march off to war, sidearm on my hip and nanohive in my hand. Death to all slayerlogis!!! Long Live the Support Nation!! Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1613	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:40:00 - [84] - Quote Lets hope patch notes come soon. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 170	Posted - 2013.11.27 16:05:00 - [85] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit! Filling all our equipement doesn't change anything and will not prevent murder logi. We should use AT LEAST 25% of our Pg/CPU in equipements if not our fit is invalid. This will prevent Logi to use it as a murder suit. Should be better. And we couldn't able to use Damage mods in logi suits. If we do that logi will be stay good at what he do with good eHP (Logi is supposed to have more ehp than Assaults). But will not be able to make great damages (But still can defend himself). And will not e able to make slayers suits after the 25% in equipements.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 930	Posted - 2013.11.27 16:19:00 - [86] - Quote HI WHAT IS THE LOWEST CPU/PG ITEM I CAN USE TO FILL MY EQ SLOTS WITH???
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1615	Posted - 2013.11.27 16:50:00 - [87] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: HI WHAT IS THE LOWEST CPU/PG ITEM I CAN USE TO FILL MY EQ SLOTS WITH??? Compact hives or maybe needles. I wouldn't worry tho if they make you guys only use sidearms, those things do not take up Much CPU/PG. Not trying to get Logis nerfed, just want to prevent the sidearm only thing. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Zaria Min Deir Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 328	Posted - 2013.11.27 17:04:00 - [88] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Assault logis already fill their spare slots with compact hives. This idea will make actual logis like my speed-hacker less viable. Didn't you get the message, the only way to be an "actual" logi is keep your proto rep tool on a heavy/armour tanked assault and hope he sponges all the bullets flying your way, as you're not supposed to have enough HP to survive a fire fight - your post nerf cpu/pg can only go toward the equipment you carry, you'll be lucky to fit a standard sidearm and maybe a basic armourplate or two with what's left over... on your proto suit, full of proto equipment No other play styles are acceptable, apparently. My speed fit logi can outrun a minmatar scout, but to do that I sacrifice on everything else - on a proto suit I can only fit an adv weapon, basic nades (if any), all of 2 shield extenders, so I have less than 400 total HP, and no, I can't use all 4 equipment slots. Then again, that suit is not supposed survive long enough to make use of 4 different equipment, usually I barely get to use even the 3 I have. If I actually live long enough to make it to a supply depot or run out of ammo (lol), that will be due not to the OPness of the logi suit, but either pure luck or the enemy team being terribad. MINA Longstrike wrote: if you lower the cpu and pg, but give a reduction to fitting costs of equipment people are no longer able to simply abandon equipment in favor of putting on as many damage and armor modules as possible. Not a perfect solution, but at least about a million times more sensible than what most people are tossing around. Would still pretty much screw over any speed/hacking fits, though sigh I actually think assault suits should get a buff to their CPU/PG, and damage mod fitting costs should be increased (the only time I've fit a damage mod on a logi suit other than with a SL was when I couldn't fit a shield extender, but could a damage mod, which is just plain silly imho). Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 361	Posted - 2013.11.27 17:26:00 - [89] - Quote Logi's need Dropsuit specific Equipment fitting Bonus, that allow equipment to be fit on their suit almost at no cost. (EVE example Logistic's ship have 99% CPU reduction) They also need an equipment efficacy Bonus... So no assault can out supply ammo or heal the same as a logi. Uplink efficacy would even be helpful allowing a Logi placed uplink to spawn a full team adverse to an assault's that can spawn 6-8 people. The Suit's High and low slot's need major reduction in the amount of slot's available. Also the CPU and PG reduced drastically as equipment is near nothing to fit. Also giving the ability to work out with little variables the max slayer/HP tank a logi can in theory make with modules. In order to balance the slot reduction and keep Logi's alive on battlefield they will need a 25% base suit health boost. allowing CCP to directly control the health point variable.. with the health base of the suit.. more then the max proto modules that can be fitted.
Zaria Min Deir Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 328	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:04:00 - [90] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Logi's need Dropsuit specific Equipment fitting Bonus, that allow equipment to be fit on their suit almost at no cost. (EVE example Logistic's ship have 99% CPU reduction) They also need an equipment efficacy Bonus... So no assault can out supply ammo or heal the same as a logi. Uplink efficacy would even be helpful allowing a Logi placed uplink to spawn a full team adverse to an assault's that can spawn 6-8 people. The Suit's High and low slot's need major reduction in the amount of slot's available. Also the CPU and PG reduced drastically as equipment is near nothing to fit. Also giving the ability to work out with little variables the max slayer/HP tank a logi can in theory make with modules. In order to balance the slot reduction and keep Logi's alive on battlefield they will need a 25% base suit health boost. allowing CCP to directly control the health point variable.. with the health base of the suit.. more then the max proto modules that can be fitted. I get what you are trying to argue here, and I would kind of agree on the most part, but you are, as are most people demanding a logi nerf, forgetting that there are other modules other than shield/armour and damage mods. SO drastically reducing slot counts and cpu/pg on the logi suits doesn't just affect the "high DPS armour tanks", it pretty much destroys certain other play styles entirely. Yes, a role bonus that drastically reduces fitting costs of equipment and a base health buff would be a reasonable change, at least that would be a balance to the other changes you are suggesting, but it would still greatly reduce versatility and variety, which I don't think this game needs. And yes, as a Eve player, I get the point of specialization. However, you can't make direct analogies between dust "specialized" suits and t2 ships in Eve, not when you look at the way CCP has given us assault = basic frame with bonuses and scout = light frame with bonuses. The logi suit is the only actually specialized suit (well, the sentinel and commando too, but to a much lesser degree)... except that for the logi in dust, to initially fully spec into the specialization and all the auxiliaries (equipment and other support skills) is a much bigger SP sink than speccing into Assault (particularly when assault players can choose to save themselves a load of SP by just going basic frame proto and only lose 25% shield recharge and a racial bonus that may or may not even be relevant to them)... and should in my opinion allow for a certain diversity in fits and play styles as well. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"

Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 888	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:06:00 - [91] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Assault logis already fill their spare slots with compact hives. This idea will make actual logis like my speed-hacker less viable. that why you make it so its only viable if 2/3 or 3/4 of their gear is equiv lvl to the suit they are running
dogmanpig black market bank 52	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:55:00 - [92] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: dogmanpig wrote: in short the reason why logis are used over assault is simple. lets take a assault suit (proto) vs logi suit(proto) assault 1 LW 1 SW 3 secondary 4 tanking 1 equipment thats 10 slots, 11 if your count sidearm as 2 slots logi 1 LW 4secondary 5 tanking 3equipment thats 13 slots and the you get into players not needing their sidearms because the light weapons works in just about every case(you know which ones) and you get 9slots vs 13 i didn't count nades because both have the same amount but its still 10 vs 14 then and you see why the rise of assault logis has came, it just has more to ofter with very limited negatives over assault suits. The sidearm is worth two slots, as is the assault base stat advantage (movement speed, sprint speed, HP, usually shield regen). So that makes it 13 versus 13. I think a good fix for anti-logi QQ might be giving assaults an extra slot or two in exchange for equalization of base stats. Since most assaults either don't know that they have a base stat advantage over logis, or think its so worthless its not worth mentioning in these comparisons, they shouldn't mind giving it up in exchange for the extra slots that they crave. did you look at the speeds. do you really think .6+ sprint speed is worth 2 slots with the TTK now, because logis can get more HP and the skill based passive armor regen more then overcomes their slightly slower shield regen. no logis should not get light weapons, only sidearms. and thats all before counting in higher CPU/PG of logis over assaults just widening the gap of power toward logis to be the best slayers. so that what 12 vs 16? logis still beat assualts when you go into the stats to try and stack that into the slot layouts which it doesn't belong in. HTFU and take your nerf. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1646	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:46:00 - [93] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Assault logis already fill their spare slots with compact hives. This idea will make actual logis like my speed-hacker less viable. that why you make it so its only viable if 2/3 or 3/4 of their gear is equiv lvl to the suit they are running Logis wpouled never go for it. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire


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