DUST Search - Real Logis, hurry up and support this idea so your suit doesn't get nerfed.

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Kazeno Rannaa wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

@Kagehoshi
I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR.

TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision).

/rant

How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you???

Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥

All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them.

And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥

I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon???

Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN.

IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever.

Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB.

LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF *beats chest* I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller

Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it.

Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging.

LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two.

LOL


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Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 321	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:10:00 - [1] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit! There is no thing as a GÇ£true logi.GÇ¥ Get over this dispossessive attitude that is based upon stereotyping and pejorative biases that do nothing for this game. I can use my suit how ever I want and the support that I give as a logistics officer is functional for the goals on the battlefield. Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism. Another example of STFU +10 needed. This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:51:00 - [2] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: So fear-mongering to get people to support your specific idea. (Fix TTK first) give assaults 1% damage bonus per level as the general assault bonus. Doing more damage reinforces the role of the assault. Give each assault bonuses to their specific race's weaponry. Minmatar could get explosive/projectile clip size, Amarr assault keeps laser bonus, Caldari could get more effective range for railgun weapons, etc. Bam! now assaults are better at assaulting. Give logi bonuses to equipment. General logi bonus should be PG/CPU reduction of equipment, and each logi could have an equipment related racial bonus. More details here. Logis would still have less speed, less stamina, less base shields (meaning depending on how you use the extra low slot, they may have less HP than assaults), and less shield recharge. Also having no sidearm is a pretty big deal if you're using a weapon like the plasma cannon, swarm launcher, laser rifle, or sniper rifle. The only benefit a logi would have when assaulting is PG/CPU, and that extra low slot. Everything else would be better on assault suits when assaulting. Logis would still be able to tank more, making them good at defense, but less agile, and bonuses would make them more geared towards equipment use. Assaults would be more offense oriented with damage and weapon bonuses, and more agile, and versatile in combat because of sidearm. please, I'm really not out for anything. Its a attempt to insight fear or rally to my cause. its to drum up awareness! Did you even just read what you wrote before you posted it? Take a look at syntax and your form. Just saying it seems a bit confusing, is it an attempt to insight fear, rally people to your cause and drum up awareness? If you are not out for anything, then how is it you are not recognizing the fact that you typed out and posted 3 (three) declarations of expectations about your own action? Confused the man child is.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:52:00 - [3] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism. You seem to be a bit on the mad side, need a cookie? DonGÇÖt poke at the animals. It may come over the fence and devour your face.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:56:00 - [4] - Quote The Shadow Prince wrote: MAYBE if the restriction is that Logis have to fill in all equipment slots with a different type of equipment. this means slayer logis cant only carry nanohives. It would also reduce the spamming of nanohives & uplinks Again. Does any ship in eve have to fill all of its slots to function??? Not that I have ever seen while playing. So, is DUST part of EVE? Last time I checked we are in New Eden. Can I do just about anything I want within this sand box???? Sure as SHITE I can. IF you want to PLAY in a SMALL BOX, go play BF3/4, COD, or any of the other limited games. You are of an apparently limited and diminished imagination. Go back to kindergarden, do some finger painting, let the hair grow, the voice deepen, and then come play with the adults. This just may not be the game for you.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:09:00 - [5] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: I would rather just have my light weapon switched with a sidearm... Why are you buying into this obvious oppression of the free spirit of the LOGI????? DonGÇÖt give in to the small minded and those aligned to the DARK SIDE!!!!! Fear is the mind killer. Free your self of this dispossession of your choices and the ability to preform in the battlefield as you see fit. DonGÇÖt be bullied by the likes of those with constricted imagination and stunted breath of vision. If they are unable to adapt to the environment, they desire to be liquidated for biomass ad sold. There is no room for the weak and maladapted. The universe only helps those along that help themselves through the strategic manipulation of the conditions and circumstances. All those that are begging the crashing waves of freedom should die on the shores of their barren minds and dull intellects. I could have used those tools and your cloned bodies BETTER!!!
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:25:00 - [6] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you??? Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥ All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them. And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥ I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon??? Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN. IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever. Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:44:00 - [7] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: The problem is that CCP will look at the situation and the thought pattern will probably go like this: People are using the Logistics suit as an Assault Suit what should we do? Nerf the Logistics Suit. Instead of going, why are people using the Logistics suits over the Assault suits? Slot Layout among other things. Maybe the assault suits simply need to be more effective then? Potentially, maybe give them something like oh idk, damage output increase for the assault skill instead of something that makes no sense like shield recharge? Would be a good place to start. I liked this post for only this reason. see the emboldened above. The addition of the damage to the assaults is not the way to go. People roll logiGÇÖs because of the spectrum of equipment they carry. It is simple; more options. The single equip on an assault (which didnGÇÖt use to be that way with proto assaults back before Uprising) is what makes people so attracted to them on top of the additional ability to tank. But is comes at a price - slower movement and the lack of a sidearm. It is a game of give and take and it seems that those that are stubbornly attached to one definition or another of what a GÇ£logiGÇ¥ is supposed to be should maybe take a step back and look around them. They are not the only people. They are not in the majority, even when a person considers the small size of our community at this moment. And this is EVE. ADJUST< ADAPT AND OVERCOME. Is this to say that some rounds, or even some days donGÇÖt completely frustrate the crap out of me. NO. I have those days myself. But I also have some great fun with the mates in my corp. One of the ways that is possible is because of how I PLAY LOGI. Some games I slay and pick up the slack, other matches I am doing nothing but reviving clones and getting my arse shot off. What ever gap that needs filling in my pack, I am there. That is what a logi is designed to do; is the jack of all trades and bright yellow, which screams GÇ£SHOOT THE SH!T OUT OF ME!!!!" Wait until after the new weapons come out and after the new dropsuits. More variety on that end will end up leveling the entire field. At least in the number of potential solutions one has to the changing battlefield environment. Plus it may bring in a few more players. The issue is that the AR is king, and the SCR has begun to creep up on it as a go-to weapon. This has created some issues in the perceived choices available to players in the means of how they deal with threats on the battlefield. Greater weapon and suit variety will help with this feeling of being trapped in a mind limited in the number of perceivable solutions or tools for a completing specified tasks. I may have sacked you out not he battlefield, but it is Business. Grow up and be an adult. Stop being a child. Welcome to NEW EDEN and HTFU!
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 322	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:51:00 - [8] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you??? Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥ All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them. And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥ I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon??? Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN. IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever. Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB. LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF beats chest I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it. Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging. LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two. LOL Even with the juvenile sarcasm you still failed to read that I addressed everyone of your arguments. The bounty on you was a joke. The fact that you think that you have the authority to interpret and impose a lane upon others was the primary issue I was addressing. But you did give so much ammunition that I had to make sure that I used every shot you left out. An issue I see is that you seems to believe that your bias and narrow interpretation of GÇ£what a logiGÇ¥ should be is what sang out to me. You see, you even mentioned out your self that logi should be a team player, yet the corralling of opponents and killing them is the most minimal of expected behaviors from a team mate. If you donGÇÖt like that, then either donGÇÖt play, or get into a squad. Also get over the fact that your OCD for control can never be realized in a public arena. If you have control issues, you may want to vista a professional and seek help for it if you find that it is impeding upon the enjoyment of this piece of entertainment. Put on your big boy pants when you are ready to play with the adults. Till then, donGÇÖt jump into adult conversations, let alone adult entertainment. It may damage your child like mind.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 323	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:32:00 - [9] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Assault logis already fill their spare slots with compact hives. This idea will make actual logis like my speed-hacker less viable. Still, I think it would be a move in the right direction. I dont wanna see a Logi Nerf, but I have a bad feeling that is going to happen. Either a lost of slots or light weapons. How is it a step in the right direction when it doesn't do anything to address the problem? Who said there was even a problem in the first place? A couple of kids crying about the fact that this game doesnGÇÖt play like COD or BF3 with their GÇ£predefined classes?GÇ¥ I thought this was supposed to be a thinking adultGÇÖs immersive FPS. Not just a rehash of every other POS iteration of what the last developing publisher thinks it should be. This argument is old as the day is long and it makes me tired and weary from listing to all of the kids cry about solving a problem where there is really no problem. If there is a problem it is a personal on for those of you that seem to continue to lack the ability to find a solution that works for you. And IF that solution works for you, it more than likely WILL NOT work for lots of other people. That is the nature of life and the immersive universe that CCP is bringing to us. That is New Eden. HTFU people. This conversation is boring and old. It really is not even a conversation. It is a bunch of spoiled brats whining about how they should get what they want and the hell with everyone else. That to me sounds suspiciously like a narcissistic rant of a manic. The only time that you are going to get your Burger King Moments of your way right away, is to do the math, identify the issues that require your attention and create a dynamic solution that can address it.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 324	Posted - 2013.11.21 16:05:00 - [10] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat. In EvE every ship has a specific role. Logistics ships like the basilisc or the now popular guardians do not have any notable assault capabilities. They are class specific therefore your comment leaves me to believe that you haven't played eve. TBH I don't care if CCP takes my light weapon slot and replaces it with a side arm. My weapons are my teammates and they get stuff done better if I'm repping rather than shooting. Have played EVE and as for how you deem what is best for you doesnGÇÖt mean it is what works best for me. Like the choices I made when Uprising was released, I specifically chose the suit that I run for the purpose of being a frontline support, i.e., Amarr Logi. It had the best combination of load out, flexibility, and also restrictions that I felt that I could work within and use to my advantage. As for the specificity of roles for the ships in EVE and then doing an across the board tomato to tomato comparison, well there isnGÇÖt one. There are some lines of commonality between DUST and EVE, granted. Yet those are only really superficial. When you look under the hood, DUST and EVE are quite different. The Similarity I draw from is the fact that CCP doesnGÇÖt limit what you can put on your ship, such as they shouldnGÇÖt in regards to Dropsuits. But that is the predominate solution presented by the people crying about how supposedly OP the logiGÇÖs are. The fact of the matter is that CCP usually identifies role specificity through the bonuses. Could those see a change to designate this idea that everyone is running around with of being a GÇ£true logi?GÇ¥ Sure. But, what I havenGÇÖt seen is a determination of what a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is by CCP. What I have seen is a bunch of people that have obviously failed in creating effective solutions to battlefield conditions, they have gotten mercGÇÖd for it, and now they are crying foul. They are crying foul because of their own inability to be adaptive. Personally HTFU. Until I see a thread from the DEVGÇÖs that states their intention to adjust and define the logistics role, I will continue to be a walking tool box of equipment and death for my team, my squad, and MY CORP. If you donGÇÖt like it, GTFOI (i.e., get the fk over it). We are humans. One of the reasons we have developed technology and in the premise of this game have been able to develop this GÇ£clone techGÇ¥ is because of our ability to be adaptive problem solvers. Those that have failed to do so have fallen to dust and are lost in the annuals of history. I for one, at least in the respects of this community REFUSE to do so. Hence the reason why I am so adamantly against the QQ in this thread and every other thread that is bashing the adaptive application of a Logi suit. Grow a spine, some imagination, and produce a solution that works for you. As of right now this is still a sandbox game that is based around choices. Just because you donGÇÖt know how to make adaptive and effective choices doesnGÇÖt mean you get to crap on mine, or my ability to be an operative force for my squad, team, and corp. And before everyone goes around screaming for the nerf hammer to be laid down, why donGÇÖt we show some patience and wait for the majority of gear to rear its head.

Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 327	Posted - 2013.11.22 18:41:00 - [11] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Here is how to fix the issue. Give assaults and scouts their second equipment slot back and a majority of the assault logis will return to the assault suit, including myself. RIGHT!!!! The lost of the second slot at Proto may have been one of the catalysts with the release of Uprising in May. That is when all of us that may have been focused on assault and those that were strictly support/triage logistics spilled into each other in the competition for roles and field flexibility. Then readmittance of the secondary slots on proto suits for the Scout and Assault may encourage some people to revert back to previous iterations of themselves, but it is by no means a solution for this conflict over the definition of identity and the associated symbolic imagery. Difference in the visions of reality will always persist. This is a community, of sorts, last time I checked. These things need to be teased out, reshaped, and allow for multiple interpretations of the same canvas. Artistic endeavors, such as the creation of layouts and how they are put into play, require a sense of freedom, not constraint. The reality is this: nerfing the logos is not going to solve the GÇ£problemGÇ¥ because the only problem is a difference in semantical application of labels and how the definition is negotiated and agreed upon. This is no different than the split in Catholics and Lutherans, Reformed and Orthodox Jews, Sunni and ShiGÇÖite, or any other ideological split in a sociopolitical group. Even if a GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ is presented and imposed, somebody is going to be frustrated and angry about the results of said GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ and cry foul. Let the nature of human interaction work it out and if CCP decides to change something, that is the way it may go. For a time. And them something else will change. If the issue is that supposedly GÇ£too manyGÇ¥ people are playing as LogiGÇÖs and CCP would like to see a different distribution of the player base amongst dropsuits or just would like to see a wider variety of suits being used, then change is inevitable. Would I like to have my current dropsuit, the Amarr Logi, nerved? Absolutely not. I think the drawbacks that I have to consider and deal with given the specific advantages the suit has, seems to be fairly balanced and really plays to the strengths of certain players. But it doesnGÇÖt work for everyone. Would I have stayed assault if I didnGÇÖt loose the second equipment slot from my Caldari Assault on this toon? Maybe, maybe not. I was playing strict support MD Minni Logi on another toon while I was cultivating Kaz. In all honestly I have always played support classes since BF 1943, with ammo and suppression fire capabilities. IN the military I was blessed to be taken under the wing of a couple of 18D doing some clinical time in a TMC. Probably would have been happier if I could have had a role in the Real World military like the one I play on Dust. My point is semantics are meant to be negotiated, not imposed. The imposition of perception is what initiated the systemic reality of the cycle of nerf and buff. I donGÇÖt think it is really beneficial to cultivating this community and giving it the opportunity to grow. IT is creating an environment that encourages the abject imposition of narrow-mindedness that seems to be NOT what CCP promotes. We are here to take the tools they give us and we are then supposed to create a role for ourselves and the social groups (i.e., corporation and alliances) we engage with. Why would you want to limit creativity. Allow it to expand.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 327	Posted - 2013.11.22 18:43:00 - [12] - Quote Preacher Death 2 wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it. Support this idea that I'm quoting "The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs." You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit! There is no thing as a GÇ£true logi.GÇ¥ Get over this dispossessive attitude that is based upon stereotyping and pejorative biases that do nothing for this game. I can use my suit how ever I want and the support that I give as a logistics officer is functional for the goals on the battlefield. Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism. Another example of STFU +10 needed. This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat. You sir are trying far to hard for a like. Also a true logi in regards to eve is essentially armor and shield repping, nothing else. There is no such thing in dust though. Too much frontline action for that to work consistently. Another solution has to come into playa and other options need to be available.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 328	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:34:00 - [13] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis Sweet, another brown shirt has arrived.