please, I'm really not out for anything. Its a attempt to insight fear or rally to my cause. its to drum up awareness!

You seem to be a bit on the mad side, need a cookie?

MAYBE if the restriction is that Logis have to fill in all equipment slots with a different type of equipment.

this means slayer logis cant only carry nanohives. It would also reduce the spamming of nanohives & uplinks

I would rather just have my light weapon switched with a sidearm...

@Kagehoshi
I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR.

TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision).

/rant

How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you???

Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥

All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them.

And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥

I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon???

Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN.

IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever.

Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB.

The problem is that CCP will look at the situation and the thought pattern will probably go like this:

People are using the Logistics suit as an Assault Suit what should we do?
Nerf the Logistics Suit.

Instead of going, why are people using the Logistics suits over the Assault suits?
Slot Layout among other things.
Maybe the assault suits simply need to be more effective then?
Potentially, maybe give them something like oh idk, damage output increase for the assault skill instead of something that makes no sense like shield recharge?
Would be a good place to start.

LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF *beats chest* I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller

Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it.

Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging.

LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two.

LOL

I am just sick of seeing logi assaults doing a better job than assaults can. It is F****** stupid a Amarr Logi can load up on armor and what ever the F*** else and still carry a side arm. I said it once I will say it again, reduce the slots by 1 each, side arm weapon only. You are support not a slayer act like one and stop running around the battlefield like an assault and be the D*** support you are supposed to be. If you do not like the idea, well spec into assault and run an assault class. You cant have both sides of the coin, its F**** stupid.

LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF *beats chest* I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller

Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it.

Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging.

LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two.

LOL

How is it a step in the right direction when it doesn't do anything to address the problem?

Why are you buying into this obvious oppression of the free spirit of the LOGI?????

DonGÇÖt give in to the small minded and those aligned to the DARK SIDE!!!!!
Fear is the mind killer. Free your self of this dispossession of your choices and the ability to preform in the battlefield as you see fit. DonGÇÖt be bullied by the likes of those with constricted imagination and stunted breath of vision.

If they are unable to adapt to the environment, they desire to be liquidated for biomass ad sold. There is no room for the weak and maladapted.

The universe only helps those along that help themselves through the strategic manipulation of the conditions and circumstances. All those that are begging the crashing waves of freedom should die on the shores of their barren minds and dull intellects.

I could have used those tools and your cloned bodies BETTER!!!

Do you actually have a problem with me fitting my suit in such a way as to maximise both my equipment slots and my offensive capability?
Why can't I do both?

in short the reason why logis are used over assault is simple. lets take a assault suit (proto) vs logi suit(proto)
assault
1 LW
1 SW
3 secondary
4 tanking
1 equipment
thats 10 slots, 11 if your count sidearm as 2 slots
logi
1 LW
4secondary
5 tanking
3equipment
thats 13 slots

and the you get into players not needing their sidearms because the light weapons works in just about every case(you know which ones) and you get 9slots vs 13
i didn't count nades because both have the same amount but its still 10 vs 14 then and you see why the rise of assault logis has came, it just has more to ofter with very limited negatives over assault suits.

soooo. I run a Gallente Logistics with two damage mods on an Imperial ScR.

Does that make me an AssaultLogi? (ps. I've been doing this since loooong before 1.6 - although I was using a Carthum before hit detection was good XD)

Guess what my equipment slots are filled with? Wrong! It's not compact nanohives! I use quite a few different types of equipment, shockingly enough! I always have a scanner, of course, and some kind of hive that can rep, also of course, but my usual layout looks like this: ADV Quantum Scanner, Wiyrkomi Nanohive, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, R-9 Drop uplinks. Another layout is scanner + Alloteks + Wyka needle + Core Focused. Often I drop the scanner for a Core Focused on the first, or to allow me to fit dedicated nanohives on the second.

I run a proper logistical setup (my hives are usually used for my squadmates - my own healing is incidental), and I'm running a prototype weapon. Is that really a problem for you?

If so, why? Do you actually have a problem with me fitting my suit in such a way as to maximise both my equipment slots and my offensive capability?
Why can't I do both?

This game of crying about who or what constitutes a GÇ£true logiGÇ¥ is ANTI-EVE and ANTI-DUST. HTFU and learn how to be a creative problem solver in combat.

The simplest solution to the whole 'Assault Logi' problem is make the AR, SrR, LR, CR, and RR a brand new weapon category, lets say Assault Weapons, and make that wearable only by the Basic Medium, Assault and Commando frames.

The remaining Light Weapon would be changed to Specialist Weapons, wearable by everyone else.

Apply suit bonuses as needed.

Any of the weapon that done damage exceeding fast are considered broken in the hands of a LOgi because of the extra fitting resources that we have. I'd rather that lose those, as I actually do my job as a Logi. I am willing to not be able to wield AR/ScR on my Logi suits.

This would be basicly the end of the sandbox approach that makes Dust different from other shooters.
The next Question is why stop there? Make plates heavy exclusive, make kincats scout exclusive etc.

Fine, split the weapons up, and give bonuses as needed, but none to Logis.

CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it.

Support this idea that I'm quoting


"The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits.

True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.)

And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs."

You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit!

In EvE every ship has a specific role. Logistics ships like the basilisc or the now popular guardians do not have any notable assault capabilities. They are class specific therefore your comment leaves me to believe that you haven't played eve. TBH I don't care if CCP takes my light weapon slot and replaces it with a side arm. My weapons are my teammates and they get stuff done better if I'm repping rather than shooting.