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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:08:00 -
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So fear-mongering to get people to support your specific idea.
(Fix TTK first) give assaults 1% damage bonus per level as the general assault bonus. Doing more damage reinforces the role of the assault.
Give each assault bonuses to their specific race's weaponry. Minmatar could get explosive/projectile clip size, Amarr assault keeps laser bonus, Caldari could get more effective range for railgun weapons, etc.
Bam! now assaults are better at assaulting.
Give logi bonuses to equipment. General logi bonus should be PG/CPU reduction of equipment, and each logi could have an equipment related racial bonus.
More details here.
Logis would still have less speed, less stamina, less base shields (meaning depending on how you use the extra low slot, they may have less HP than assaults), and less shield recharge. Also having no sidearm is a pretty big deal if you're using a weapon like the plasma cannon, swarm launcher, laser rifle, or sniper rifle.
The only benefit a logi would have when assaulting is PG/CPU, and that extra low slot. Everything else would be better on assault suits when assaulting.
Logis would still be able to tank more, making them good at defense, but less agile, and bonuses would make them more geared towards equipment use.
Assaults would be more offense oriented with damage and weapon bonuses, and more agile, and versatile in combat because of sidearm.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:21:00 -
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I don't like these arbitrary fitting restrictions. They are completely against the sort of freedom the fitting system is meant to provide.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:33:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Down with light weapon logis
Up with logi weapon logis
You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does.
Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months, given how long it takes to deliver new content.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2013.11.21 02:46:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Down with light weapon logis
Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. No, actually it wouldn't.
Still have yet to provide reasoning why that would be preferable to just changing bonuses. Changing bonuses is still more sensible then creating a new weapon category and reclassifying a bunch of weapons. Even without balance issues, bonus changes would still be needed. Bonuses are a mess right now.
Assault shield recharge bonus is useless for the armor-based Gallente assault
Caldari assault gets a shield extender HP bonus, something like that makes more sense for a heavy.
Minmatar scout melee+bonus is still weaker than a medium frame melee even when maxed out
Sentinel bonus is useless for current heavy weapons without feedback damage & only useful if you're careless enough to overheat.
Logi bonuses seem completely random and arbitrary, they should have bonuses to equipment fitting instead of repairs.
I can go on, but basically balancing by changing the bonuses is more sensible since the bonuses are in need of change anyway.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:31:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Down with light weapon logis
Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. No, actually it wouldn't. Still have yet to provide reasoning why that would be preferable to just changing bonuses. Changing bonuses is still more sensible then creating a new weapon category and reclassifying a bunch of weapons. Even without balance issues, bonus changes would still be needed. Bonuses are a mess right now. Assault shield recharge bonus is useless for the armor-based Gallente assault
Caldari assault gets a shield extender HP bonus, something like that makes more sense for a heavy.
Minmatar scout melee+bonus is still weaker than a medium frame melee even when maxed out
Sentinel bonus is useless for current heavy weapons without feedback damage & only useful if you're careless enough to overheat.
Logi bonuses seem completely random and arbitrary, they should have bonuses to equipment fitting instead of repairs.
I can go on, but basically balancing by changing the bonuses is more sensible since the bonuses are in need of change anyway. Yes, because a whole new set of bonuses for all suits (some of which we still don't have) would be quicker than adding a couple of tags as a temporary solution....  I agree that all bonuses need reworked, but that is far more long-term than my proposed solution. Which would work in the short-term to fix the problem of Assport AR Logis which correct me if I am wrong, is the problem that is being discussed here and in other threads with Sidearm-Only Logis being seen as an unwanted alternative. I am really starting to think that every logi against this (any tweak o logi weapon selection) only wants to keep their OP, overused bullethose....
It may take longer, but I'm willing to bet you its going to happen anyway based on some things CCP said about bonuses a long while ago, so adding your gun reclassification idea as well in addition to the bonus changes is a bit overkill.
What may sound like a simple tweak can actually be far more complex to actually implement then you realize. Game development tends to be annoying like that.
Also, sounds like your problem is the AR, not the logi.
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