Assault logis already fill their spare slots with compact hives. This idea will make actual logis like my speed-hacker less viable.

The problem is that CCP will look at the situation and the thought pattern will probably go like this:

People are using the Logistics suit as an Assault Suit what should we do?
Nerf the Logistics Suit.

Instead of going, why are people using the Logistics suits over the Assault suits?
Slot Layout among other things.
Maybe the assault suits simply need to be more effective then?
Potentially, maybe give them something like oh idk, damage output increase for the assault skill instead of something that makes no sense like shield recharge?
Would be a good place to start.

CCP is gonna start swinging that Nerf hammer, and your suit might just get the blunt of it.

Support this idea that I'm quoting


"The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits.

True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.)

And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs."

You DONT need a Nerf, your doing your job. Its the jerkbars using the suit with 3-5 dmg mods and armour plates that are going to ruin your suit!

So fear-mongering to get people to support your specific idea.

(Fix TTK first) give assaults 1% damage bonus per level as the general assault bonus. Doing more damage reinforces the role of the assault.
Give each assault bonuses to their specific race's weaponry. Minmatar could get explosive/projectile clip size, Amarr assault keeps laser bonus, Caldari could get more effective range for railgun weapons, etc.
Bam! now assaults are better at assaulting.

Give logi bonuses to equipment. General logi bonus should be PG/CPU reduction of equipment, and each logi could have an equipment related racial bonus.

More details here.

Logis would still have less speed, less stamina, less base shields (meaning depending on how you use the extra low slot, they may have less HP than assaults), and less shield recharge. Also having no sidearm is a pretty big deal if you're using a weapon like the plasma cannon, swarm launcher, laser rifle, or sniper rifle.

The only benefit a logi would have when assaulting is PG/CPU, and that extra low slot. Everything else would be better on assault suits when assaulting.

Logis would still be able to tank more, making them good at defense, but less agile, and bonuses would make them more geared towards equipment use.
Assaults would be more offense oriented with damage and weapon bonuses, and more agile, and versatile in combat because of sidearm.

We should have it so all suits get an invalid fitting if all slots aren't filled. While we're at it lets get rid of the standard suits fitting proto weaponry by leaving the 1 equipment and/or side arm slot empty.

I'd be fine with that, tho I doubt anybody else would be.

Wait is that a crack?

Down with light weapon logis

Up with logi weapon logis

You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does.
Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content.

Sadly people don't really think big picture. Honestly the best way to balance just about anything in this game is through PG/CPU and bonuses. By manipulating these you can modify how people use the suits and encourage them to play the role as initially intended without restricting them so much.

You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does.
Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content.

No, actually it wouldn't.

Still, I think it would be a move in the right direction. I dont wanna see a Logi Nerf, but I have a bad feeling that is going to happen.

Either a lost of slots or light weapons.

Still have yet to provide reasoning why that would be preferable to just changing bonuses. Changing bonuses is still more sensible then creating a new weapon category and reclassifying a bunch of weapons. Even without balance issues, bonus changes would still be needed. Bonuses are a mess right now.

Assault shield recharge bonus is useless for the armor-based Gallente assault

Caldari assault gets a shield extender HP bonus, something like that makes more sense for a heavy.

Minmatar scout melee+bonus is still weaker than a medium frame melee even when maxed out

Sentinel bonus is useless for current heavy weapons without feedback damage & only useful if you're careless enough to overheat.

Logi bonuses seem completely random and arbitrary, they should have bonuses to equipment fitting instead of repairs.

I can go on, but basically balancing by changing the bonuses is more sensible since the bonuses are in need of change anyway.

Why do you feel the necessity to impose your reality upon me? You are no better than a religious zealot. Get over yourself, your arrogance, your ego, and narcism.

Yes, because a whole new set of bonuses for all suits (some of which we still don't have) would be quicker than adding a couple of tags as a temporary solution....



I agree that all bonuses need reworked, but that is far more long-term than my proposed solution. Which would work in the short-term to fix the problem of Assport AR Logis which correct me if I am wrong, is the problem that is being discussed here and in other threads with Sidearm-Only Logis being seen as an unwanted alternative.

I am really starting to think that every logi against this (any tweak o logi weapon selection) only wants to keep their OP, overused bullethose....