Whut? Havnt you seen me around lately? I Run a 650 / Profile Dampned Amarr Logi with ASCR or a 900 HP With a LAser. The only times i use assault is while using my Imperial...
Im not complaining in a QQ , im asking to blaance it so every suit has their utility. as it is, they dont.

This is not true. My Amarr Assault has around 630 HP and my Logi 900 (This is at ADV level mind you). PLUS innate Armor regen. I dO feel the HP difference a lot.

THE FP now is a little UP but still usable. Does it need a slight buff? Sure. Does it need o be a 1HKO Dual wielded mass driver as it was ? NO.

You'll be damned because you know its the best suit. You cant call me a sore assault QQer because Logi IS my main suit. I would just like to feel for once , i cannot do everything my scouts / heavies/ Assault fits do with just 1 dropsuit. Im looking for diversity here, NOT Personal gain.

What does nerfing a gun have to do with the stats of a suit? if it is nerfed it is nerf consistantly across the board it wont magicly make the logi worse unless they nerf it to a point where it takes a full mag+ to kill anyone but thats a bit of a over nerf by like a lot.

As far as i can tell cats point is that the logi suit is op because it is as like 90% as effective as a assualt suit at least for combat yet 3 to 4 times as effective at being a support because of superior hp and equipment slots while not having a weakness to justify how effective it is at its role.

Either the assualt needs a buff say bonus to raw dps as for a offencive suit it cant out shoot a suport suit or the logi needs some sort of nerf perhaps side arm only would be the best way to enforce the fact they are designed for support but that is possibly a little drastic but it is something i personally think would be a uniqueish addition to the game.

It does and it doesn't, when you think about it, who reps a logi? Surely not another logi because the other one is busy repping 2 other people.

But I can see what you mean, the advantage of the logis bonus is like 20 times better than the assault bonus (for the most part)

I still think that assaults need some sort of buff (nothing to drastic but something enough to make them just as viable as some logis)

Who reps me? NO ONE. I deal with it. Plus you know VER Y well we are talking about assault logis here no true logibros.
Who reps Commandos?Heavies?assaults,scouts? NO ONE. So there is no excuse for such a gamebreaking bonus.

The problem is people NOT carrying Reps,Needles,etc...just to carry a A.Scanner and nanos for themselves and use the rest of the massive CPU/PG to tank...


If only, the problem is that in a game where dropsuits have to spend 1 LOW slot in order to get armor repair, Logis Have MORE SLOTS AND can avoid using it.


Well if you buff assaults and leave logis as they are i ASSURE you, 100% , You just killed heavy and Light frames...



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Meow.

Assaults don't need a second EQ slot, Scouts should have that way more than Assaults.

Heavy = 0
Assault = 1
Scout = 2
Logi = 3/4

That should be the EQ slot formula.

That is a darn good idea.

I want balance too, but this nerf everything mentality needs to stop. You said it earlier that Amarr don't really have a logistics suits. They're both assaults with different slot layouts and bonuses. Working as intened.

Survivability > firepower. That's how it works. Assaults are assaulting, and logis are good at defending. The majority of my kills as a logi come from point defense.

And if logis get nerfed to uselessness and later down the road people say "logis need a buff," what then?

I've been a Minmatar logi since Chrome and I converted from assault because I was bored with it. I had to take some time to weigh the options between Minmatar and Gallente logi after the Uprising 1.0 respec, but I chose Minmatar again because I trust in the rust.

If I wanted the best suit, I would have picked CaLogi back then. The "do everything suit got neutered months ago. Everyone is still carrying pitchforks because they don't understand the concept of tradeoffs.

Cat, I see where your numbers are coming from, but here's a more accurate depiction of a fit for Assaulting (i.e. KILL ZEM ALLZ)

Cal Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFRtOEswWGNWcl9ydWFQdHM1SklHUlE&usp=sharing

Cal Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHZWTGNoZTkyTXhMb3BTMm1IdVJvX2c&usp=sharing

Gal Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhvcjJaUDV1Vy1pT1E3UHIxNDJhZGc&usp=sharing

Gal Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDh1STNtRTd1R1pvMlRUbzJsRUFMeHc&usp=sharing

Min Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHctYlcyZk9CbWVwcWUxRGZKMmpRTFE&usp=sharing

Min Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFp1QjA5NFJtdW05ZU11Umh0c0E1b0E&usp=sharing

Amarr Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhFLXlPT3JYY0hoNkt1SEVmazJ5cGc&usp=sharing

Amarr Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdEZqV3MxSUprWWZrNDhaZFFTTGItQmc&usp=sharing

As you can see, for the majority of all the Combat fits (I went full tank here to showcase who the Logi abusers have been abusing the extra slots. Only the Amarr suits have equipment, and that's only a standard needle) of both suits, Logistics provide much more HP for lose of a Sidearm, and speed.

The Amarr Logi loses .24 meters per second. Every 4 seconds its assault counterpart is one meter in front of it.

The Caldari Logi loses .42 meters per second. Every 2 seconds its assault counterpart move one meter in front.

The Minmatar Logi loses .8 meters per second. Roughly every second its assault counterparts move one meter ahead.

The Gallente Logi loses .37 meters per second. Roughly every three seconds, its assault counterpart grows one meter ahead.

However, they have an boost of HP.

Caldari Logi gains 318 HP over its assault variant

Gallente Logi gains 245 HP over its assault variant

Minmatar logi gains 380 over its assault variant.

Amarr logi gains 167 over its assault fit, while retaining the sidearm and Equipment slots

While this may seem like a fair trade, considering that we can spawn 27K LAVs wherever the hell we want, the speed factor is made null. This tactic was, and still is by the select few, used by heavies to make up for their snail pace.

So, for all intents and purposes, the Logistic Suits gain 300 HP over its assault brothers, while losing speed that is used to cross the difference between the LAV parking spot and the Objective.




Balanced you say?

I like this human

I'll just leave this here.

Again.

Speed and Stamina is about strafe speed and in dust strafe is about avoid bullets.
So YES it's really important.

Speed and Stamina is about strafe speed and in dust strafe is about avoid bullets.
So YES it's really important.

Extremely High Hit detection denies my 10.5 Sprint speed Minnie scout from dodging a GEK at 60 mts around a corner...
How much will your strafing save you from 2 AR spammers? LOL

So no... HP is more important than Stamina and speed. Plus Logis reach HIGH Hp values WHILE still being able to Be Fast and have enough stamina, so no...

Why people cant Just admit they are biased here!?
HAve you seen Tournament videos from DUST514? COUNT THE Godd**** LOGIS there. The only heavies are TANKERs, no SCOUTS ,no commandos, 1 or 2 assaults. The rest are MURDER-LOGIS.Out of 16 dudes, 13 are Logis so far as seeing in PC videos Full teams of logis.

THERE IS A REASON FOR THIS, dont deny it....

You know what, we all sit around here like armchair devs and **** never happens. This topic will die and everyone will forget about logis until the next QQ kitten says something and the process starts all over again. Even if by some stroke of ignorance you guys get your way, there's a lot of good players using logi suts and you're still going to die from a mellow fellow in yellow. What then? You still gonna cry when you die to a logi with an Ishukone, or a logi that barely has more HP than a Minmatar scout, or get blown up by RE's from a more cunning logi? What then?

I've said my peace for 6 months to this day. It's in CCP's hands now. I'm just glad none of you are part of that little 1% club that's supposed to represent us.

I have both an assault slayer and a logi slayer.

they have their strengths and weaknesses slayer logi can be killed just as easily by a slayer assault.

I got hit by a proto minnie assault in my gallogi. It tickled so I turned around and killed him.

I kill and get killed by all form of logi and assault proto's, the best of the best are no different in either frame.

Nerf gal logi cpu

I still think a solution would be to make them sidearm only and give them a 75/75 tank boost. Six kin subs are nasty up close and assault subs can kill people at 40m. It would make them nasty up close but reliant on squads for range similar to HMG heavies.

It would take the possibility to be such a effective killer at range compared to assault that need cover where they can not recharge as well as logi in comparisson.

Assault would not be win all but it would make the logi heavy pair tougher in cqc but weaker to lrc.