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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:33:00 -
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Amarr Logi A/1 series is THE BEST MED FRAME at ADV level.Sh*t. The BEST suit at ADV level. Think of it, 6 low /high slots, 3 eq slots, sidearm , Light weapon,grenade slot. It does EVERYTHING,from tanking up to 900 HP, to be profile dampned with 650 HP,to be a true logi, etc... (mi personal favourite Logi)
At proto level, nothing beats Caldari and Gallente Logis.
-Logis need their Repair Bonus CHANGED to the Gal Logi default bonus: GÖª All logis get 5% reduction in equipment CPU/PG cost.
OR
-Logis need to have the SAME amound of high / low slots as Assaults. Leave CPU and PG as they are since they will need them for good equipment.
At proto: Gÿ+ Cal Logi: 4 highs 3 lows 3 equipment slots Gÿ+ Gal Logis: 3 Highs 4 Lows 4 Equipment slots Gÿ+ Minmatar Logis : 4 Highs 3 Lows 4 Equipment slots Gÿ+ Amarr Logis : 3 Highs 3 Lows 3 Equipment slots + Sidearm (@ adv level 3 Highs and 2 Lows {So there is a point going into Proto})
BOTH these options come with a Side dish of:
-Logis need to have all equipment slots full in order to be a valid Fitting.
BALANCE
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:45:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote: I want to agree with you, but I also want to say that making them fill their equips is very restricting.
However, I actually want option A and B.
The logi bonus now is stupid for what they are doing.
And by equalizing the potential HP values, you get a good balance between the 3 med frames.
Not if the CPU and PG is left the same. (remember would be the same CPU/PG but with less High or Low slots and with the restriction to have to equip all EQ slots.) They can actually equip the whole 3-4 eq slots full,and have enough to tank very good. Just not the 900-1100+ EHP good they have now while ignoring equipment slots for Ammo/A.Scanners/Grenades/Proto weapons/Proto Modules, etc...
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:49:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea.
Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:50:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea. Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3 But I dumped the majority of my sp into logis and sniping (not because logis are OP but because if I'm on the frontlines I'll be doing repping instead of shooting) :( I still would like to see an assault buff before a logi nerf
Then Join our Respec pettition army.
/Solved :3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:56:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:
That's your balance.
Whut? Havnt you seen me around lately? I Run a 650 / Profile Dampned Amarr Logi with ASCR or a 900 HP With a LAser. The only times i use assault is while using my Imperial... Im not complaining in a QQ , im asking to blaance it so every suit has their utility. as it is, they dont.
Quote: All I keep seeing on here is "Mom! He has more HP than me!" FFS we all die just about the same with how screwed up this game is anyway when most weapons' DPS damn near matches or surpasses an average suit's EHP.
This is not true. My Amarr Assault has around 630 HP and my Logi 900 (This is at ADV level mind you). PLUS innate Armor regen. I dO feel the HP difference a lot.
Quote:Give it a rest. I'm sick of getting hate mail for using my "noob suit" from some butthurt punk that thought logi = easy kill. (I run ADV fittings with ~550EHP and ADV weapons)
Logis might not be always EZ kill suit, but they SURE ARE EZ to stay alive suit....
Quote:Tossing around the nerf bat freely while core gameplay is borked is what ruined the flaylock pistol. THE FP now is a little UP but still usable. Does it need a slight buff? Sure. Does it need o be a 1HKO Dual wielded mass driver as it was ? NO.
Quote:And I'll be damned if the logistics is going to wind up like that. Give it a rest. The problem is on the assault's side more than anything but unlike scouts and heavies that want buffs, assaults have to drag everything down. This community makes me sick. You'll be damned becaues you know its the best suit. You cant call me a sore assault QQer because Logi IS my main suit. I would just like to feel for once , i cannot do everything my scouts / heavies/ Assault fits do with just 1 dropsuit. Im looking for diversity here, NOT Personal gain.
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:57:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:
But I like my fits and stuff....my logi ak0 is so incredibly powerful
It would be a pain to Re-allocate all of my sp, it's been used in such a precise way that if anything is changed it'll mess up at least half my fits
Fixed that for you bro.
AGAIN, if logis wont get a rebalance its fine by me, i use Logis myself. Just saying, Death of diversity right here...
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:59:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea. Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3 That logic contradicts with skill customization. The main thing that's driving Dust right now. That was going to be my next point, +1 to you sir :)
It might, but The amount of slots/CPU-PG and ''assault oriented bonus'' for armor repair contradicts with BALANCE.
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Posted - 2013.11.07 04:42:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote: It does and it doesn't, when you think about it, who reps a logi? Surely not another logi because the other one is busy repping 2 other people.
Who reps me? NO ONE. I deal with it. Plus you know VER Y well we are talking about assault logis here no true logibros. Who reps Commandos?Heavies?assaults,scouts? NO ONE. So there is no excuse for such a gamebreaking bonus.
The problem is people NOT carrying Reps,Needles,etc...just to carry a A.Scanner and nanos for themselves and use the rest of the massive CPU/PG to tank...
Quote:But I can see what you mean, the advantage of the logis bonus is like 20 times better than the assault bonus (for the most part) If only, the problem is that in a game where dropsuits have to spend 1 LOW slot in order to get armor repair, Logis Have MORE SLOTS AND can avoid using it.
Quote:I still think that assaults need some sort of buff (nothing to drastic but something enough to make them just as viable as some logis) Well if you buff assaults and leave logis as they are i ASSURE you, 100% , You just killed heavy and Light frames...
:3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 04:57:00 -
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Cosgar wrote: I want balance too, but this nerf everything mentality needs to stop. You said it earlier that Amarr don't really have a logistics suits. They're both assaults with different slot layouts and bonuses. Working as intened.
ACtually , you sound like an assault logi scared that he will get a nerf, not as someone seeking for balance. Any Logi with some sense of balance knows the Logis need a tweak.The Amarr Logi might be the exception, But how come Gallente And Caldari Logis Outpreform their assault versions in every way possible?
Quote:Survivability > firepower. That's how it works. Assaults are assaulting, and logis are good at defending. The majority of my kills as a logi come from point defense. hahahaha , no man please SRSLY.We are both adults you are not kidding anyone. LOGIS are assaulting , Assaults follow. Logis are good at EVERYTHING not just defending, they do however , outpreform heavies in point defense,scouts in scouting and Assaults at...whatever assaults are supossed to do in this game...
Quote:And if logis get nerfed to uselessness and later down the road people say "logis need a buff," what then? My options will not nerf the Logis to uselesness.I think they are pretty fair to be quite honest.Will make HOWEVER, MurderLogi fit harder.
Quote:I've been a Minmatar logi since Chrome and I converted from assault because I was bored with it. I had to take some time to weigh the options between Minmatar and Gallente logi after the Uprising 1.0 respec, but I chose Minmatar again because I trust in the rust. Nice good for you. not relevant thou.Im not calling you FOTM chaser.
Quote: If I wanted the best suit, I would have picked CaLogi back then. The "do everything suit got neutered months ago. Everyone is still carrying pitchforks because they don't understand the concept of tradeoffs. Whats the point in having Disadvantages if you have enough CPU-PG-Slots to fix all of them? do not come to me with those trade offs, there is a REASON why MOST GOOD clans have a HUGE Majority of Logi slayers.Its not for discussion here, its a FACT.
''I use both my Minmatar assault and logi.'' And i can bet with which one you do better.
''I like them both and recognize the strengths and weaknesses. I stick with the logi primarily because it's more beneficial to the people I squad with on the regular. We need more assaults like someone needs a hole in their head and I never see them complaining about OP logis.''
Look., Amarr assaults have their laser weaponry bonus that its the ONLY reason in the heavens above someone would go proto Amarr assault insteado of Logi.
But Going Proto Cal assault instead of Logi? Gal As intead of Gal Logi? Minma As intead of Minma Logi?
ONLY A MADMAN....
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:35:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
I like this human
I feel highly comfortable around cats....
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Posted - 2013.11.07 05:43:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Speed and Stamina is about strafe speed and in dust strafe is about avoid bullets. So YES it's really important.
Extremely High Hit detection denies my 10.5 Sprint speed Minnie scout from dodging a GEK at 60 mts around a corner... How much will your strafing save you from 2 AR spammers? LOL
So no... HP is more important than Stamina and speed. Plus Logis reach HIGH Hp values WHILE still being able to Be Fast and have enough stamina, so no...
Why people cant Just admit they are biased here!? HAve you seen Tournament videos from DUST514? COUNT THE Godd**** LOGIS there. The only heavies are TANKERs, no SCOUTS ,no commandos, 1 or 2 assaults. The rest are MURDER-LOGIS.Out of 16 dudes, 13 are Logis so far as seeing in PC videos Full teams of logis.
THERE IS A REASON FOR THIS, dont deny it....
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