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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:What most people fail to realize that when people say "logi is OP", they don't mean that logi is simply a better fighter. It's that they're pretty much the same as the assault (with a few swaps, like less speed but more eHP) BUT get 3-4 equipment slots. When people stack plates and extenders in these threads to show that logis aren't that far ahead eHP wise, they fail to realize that stacking plates and extenders is not the best of suits. Here are my logi and assault suits, each are designed to push it to the maximum, I have been tweaking my suits for ages and these are the optimal one's I found: Note: I have CPU/PG skills maxed, I could not push this suit further.
Gallente Assault: High: Complex damage mod Complex shield extender Complex damage mod
Low: Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced armor rep Enhanced armor rep
Weapons: GEK 38 Assault rifle Syndicate SMG
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Allotek Nanohive
Armor: 449 Shield: 217 Combined: 666 (huehuehue) Damage bonus (skills not included): 20% Regen rate: 7.5hp/s Movement speed: 4.81 Sprint speed: 7.08 Stamina: 157.50 Stamina regen: 15.75
Not bad right?
Now let's look at the Gallente logi: High: Complex damage mod Complex damage mod Complex shield extender
Low: Enhanced ferroscale plate Basic plate Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced Cardiac regulator
Weapon: Duvolle Assault Rifle
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Wiyrkomi Triage hives Wiyrkomi Triage hives A-86 active scanner Ishukone Gauged hive
Shield: 181 Armor: 560 Combined: 741 Damage bonus (skills not included): 25% (I could fit a duvolle on my logi, which has +5% damage over a gek) Regen rate: 5hp/s (Inherent logi regen) Movement speed: 4.54 m/s Sprint speed: 6.67m/s Stamina: 198.19 Stamina regen: 22.89
Conclusion: Seems pretty legit right? The logi has more damage, more eHP, more stamina and more stamina regen for the price of speed and a sidearm right? Oh wait, but that would only be legit if both were combat focused suits, I.E both have one equipment. But the logi has 4 equipment slots, making it far far more verastile and just a better deal overall. Especially with the 6x triage hives I fit on my logi, I am ******* invincible inside one of those. Low on health? Plop a triage hive, return to battle faster than shields can recharge. I also couldn't fit a scanner on my assault, making me much more blind. Also, I could fit a kin cat instead of a regulator to be even faster than my assault, but I prefer the sustainability that regulators provide.
How I think this should be solved: Two problems that I see here: 1. Logis get 5hp/s on armor inherent, which allows me to give up on a armor rep and put on an extra plate, increasing the eHP gap further. HOWEVER CCP said they will change it once they have the infastracture to do it (something about the code doesn't allow them to put on a more logi orientated bonus)
2. The CPU/PG gap is just damn too high. Could solve it by either reducing the CPU/PG on logis, forcing them to decide on either being a combat suit or a logi suit, not both, OR increasing the CPU/PG on the assault. (Should also buff the scout CPU/PG and heavy CPU/PG if this is done, just to be fair)
Or we could just reduce their damage output.......
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Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
218
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:00:00 -
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What does nerfing a gun have to do with the stats of a suit? if it is nerfed it is nerf consistantly across the board it wont magicly make the logi worse unless they nerf it to a point where it takes a full mag+ to kill anyone but thats a bit of a over nerf by like a lot.
As far as i can tell cats point is that the logi suit is op because it is as like 90% as effective as a assualt suit at least for combat yet 3 to 4 times as effective at being a support because of superior hp and equipment slots while not having a weakness to justify how effective it is at its role.
Either the assualt needs a buff say bonus to raw dps as for a offencive suit it cant out shoot a suport suit or the logi needs some sort of nerf perhaps side arm only would be the best way to enforce the fact they are designed for support but that is possibly a little drastic but it is something i personally think would be a uniqueish addition to the game. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
797
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:04:00 -
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that gallente assault fit is just bad beside that the assault is cheaper to fit with 4 slots less to fill and faster to max out SP wise.
the shield recharge bonus on the gallente assault is just bad for this suit and the armor repair bonus on the logi too good, that is the actual problem but it is not as bad as cat merc tries to make it look. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
189
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:08:00 -
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The sidearm is easily worth two or even three extra equipment slots. However many nanohives you have you can't start shooting redberries with them when you've got through your duvolle clip.
I still think the suits are nicely balanced. I would've specced into one or the other rather than agonising for days over min assault versus min logi if they weren't. |
Scheherazade VII
82
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:19:00 -
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they already nerfed CPU.
if they nerfed it any further logis would be paper weights. just useless and also paper thin.
but they would still want to use good equipment! so they'd just die and lose ISK.
leave the logi alone.
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Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
442
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:29:00 -
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Meow.
This game needs respecs every month. uMad
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
41
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:30:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:What most people fail to realize that when people say "logi is OP", they don't mean that logi is simply a better fighter. It's that they're pretty much the same as the assault (with a few swaps, like less speed but more eHP) BUT get 3-4 equipment slots. When people stack plates and extenders in these threads to show that logis aren't that far ahead eHP wise, they fail to realize that stacking plates and extenders is not the best of suits. Here are my logi and assault suits, each are designed to push it to the maximum, I have been tweaking my suits for ages and these are the optimal one's I found: Note: I have CPU/PG skills maxed, I could not push this suit further.
Gallente Assault: High: Complex damage mod Complex shield extender Complex damage mod
Low: Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced armor rep Enhanced armor rep
Weapons: GEK 38 Assault rifle Syndicate SMG
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Allotek Nanohive
Armor: 449 Shield: 217 Combined: 666 (huehuehue) Damage bonus (skills not included): 20% Regen rate: 7.5hp/s Movement speed: 4.81 Sprint speed: 7.08 Stamina: 157.50 Stamina regen: 15.75
Not bad right?
Now let's look at the Gallente logi: High: Complex damage mod Complex damage mod Complex shield extender
Low: Enhanced ferroscale plate Basic plate Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced Cardiac regulator
Weapon: Duvolle Assault Rifle
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Wiyrkomi Triage hives Wiyrkomi Triage hives A-86 active scanner Ishukone Gauged hive
Shield: 181 Armor: 560 Combined: 741 Damage bonus (skills not included): 25% (I could fit a duvolle on my logi, which has +5% damage over a gek) Regen rate: 5hp/s (Inherent logi regen) Movement speed: 4.54 m/s Sprint speed: 6.67m/s Stamina: 198.19 Stamina regen: 22.89
Conclusion: Seems pretty legit right? The logi has more damage, more eHP, more stamina and more stamina regen for the price of speed and a sidearm right? Oh wait, but that would only be legit if both were combat focused suits, I.E both have one equipment. But the logi has 4 equipment slots, making it far far more verastile and just a better deal overall. Especially with the 6x triage hives I fit on my logi, I am ******* invincible inside one of those. Low on health? Plop a triage hive, return to battle faster than shields can recharge. I also couldn't fit a scanner on my assault, making me much more blind. Also, I could fit a kin cat instead of a regulator to be even faster than my assault, but I prefer the sustainability that regulators provide.
How I think this should be solved: Two problems that I see here: 1. Logis get 5hp/s on armor inherent, which allows me to give up on a armor rep and put on an extra plate, increasing the eHP gap further. HOWEVER CCP said they will change it once they have the infastracture to do it (something about the code doesn't allow them to put on a more logi orientated bonus)
2. The CPU/PG gap is just damn too high. Could solve it by either reducing the CPU/PG on logis, forcing them to decide on either being a combat suit or a logi suit, not both, OR increasing the CPU/PG on the assault. (Should also buff the scout CPU/PG and heavy CPU/PG if this is done, just to be fair) Cat ....In your senario you've left out the part where The Gallente Logi suit get CPU/PG reduction to equipment and your Gallents Lvl 5 proto Assault suit gives you a reduction of 25% to hybrid weapons IE your AR...
All the other Logi suits dont get those bonuses.....
Sorry but ya gets no plus one.I do not approve of this shikanery
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OwnD07
DUST CORE Zero-Day
36
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:44:00 -
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Woof.
Welcome back, Cat Merc.
+1
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Meeko Fent
Expert Intervention Caldari State
1413
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Posted - 2013.11.07 00:06:00 -
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Cat, I see where your numbers are coming from, but here's a more accurate depiction of a fit for Assaulting (i.e. KILL ZEM ALLZ)
Cal Logi- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFRtOEswWGNWcl9ydWFQdHM1SklHUlE&usp=sharing
Cal Salt- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHZWTGNoZTkyTXhMb3BTMm1IdVJvX2c&usp=sharing
Gal Salt- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhvcjJaUDV1Vy1pT1E3UHIxNDJhZGc&usp=sharing
Gal Logi- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDh1STNtRTd1R1pvMlRUbzJsRUFMeHc&usp=sharing
Min Salt- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHctYlcyZk9CbWVwcWUxRGZKMmpRTFE&usp=sharing
Min Logi- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFp1QjA5NFJtdW05ZU11Umh0c0E1b0E&usp=sharing
Amarr Salt- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhFLXlPT3JYY0hoNkt1SEVmazJ5cGc&usp=sharing
Amarr Logi- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdEZqV3MxSUprWWZrNDhaZFFTTGItQmc&usp=sharing
As you can see, for the majority of all the Combat fits (I went full tank here to showcase who the Logi abusers have been abusing the extra slots. Only the Amarr suits have equipment, and that's only a standard needle) of both suits, Logistics provide much more HP for lose of a Sidearm, and speed.
The Amarr Logi loses .24 meters per second. Every 4 seconds its assault counterpart is one meter in front of it.
The Caldari Logi loses .42 meters per second. Every 2 seconds its assault counterpart move one meter in front.
The Minmatar Logi loses .8 meters per second. Roughly every second its assault counterparts move one meter ahead.
The Gallente Logi loses .37 meters per second. Roughly every three seconds, its assault counterpart grows one meter ahead.
However, they have an boost of HP.
Caldari Logi gains 318 HP over its assault variant
Gallente Logi gains 245 HP over its assault variant
Minmatar logi gains 380 over its assault variant.
Amarr logi gains 167 over its assault fit, while retaining the sidearm and Equipment slots
While this may seem like a fair trade, considering that we can spawn 27K LAVs wherever the hell we want, the speed factor is made null. This tactic was, and still is by the select few, used by heavies to make up for their snail pace.
So, for all intents and purposes, the Logistic Suits gain 300 HP over its assault brothers, while losing speed that is used to cross the difference between the LAV parking spot and the Objective.
Balanced you say?
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
54
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Posted - 2013.11.07 00:32:00 -
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Logis are and will outrole assaults. If ccp wont do anything, the only way is to spec into logi. I play as assault and logi and i do more kills and support and wp with logi.
Also, logis can run longer and regen faster as Cats says. Its damn annyoing that logis do both jobs, without weaknes and looses. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7428
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Posted - 2013.11.07 00:36:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Logis are and will outrole assaults. If ccp wont do anything, the only way is to spec into logi. I play as assault and logi and i do more kills and support and wp with logi.
Also, logis can run longer and regen faster as Cats says. Its damn annyoing that logis do both jobs, without weaknes and looses. Logi actually have less stamina than assaults. I had to dump SP into complex cardiac regulators just so I can keep up with my squad.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
54
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Posted - 2013.11.07 00:44:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Logis are and will outrole assaults. If ccp wont do anything, the only way is to spec into logi. I play as assault and logi and i do more kills and support and wp with logi.
Also, logis can run longer and regen faster as Cats says. Its damn annyoing that logis do both jobs, without weaknes and looses. Logi actually have less stamina than assaults. I had to dump SP into complex cardiac regulators just so I can keep up with my squad.
You can easly put kin cat etc. So you have more stamina. Assaults cant bec they will lose 1 slot and they'll be even easier to kill. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
7430
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Posted - 2013.11.07 00:51:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Logis are and will outrole assaults. If ccp wont do anything, the only way is to spec into logi. I play as assault and logi and i do more kills and support and wp with logi.
Also, logis can run longer and regen faster as Cats says. Its damn annyoing that logis do both jobs, without weaknes and looses. Logi actually have less stamina than assaults. I had to dump SP into complex cardiac regulators just so I can keep up with my squad. You can easly put kin cat etc. So you have more stamina. Assaults cant bec they will lose 1 slot and they'll be even easier to kill. And that's how things get balanced out. Logi base stats lower compared medium suit baseline, that you have to decide on how to fit your suit. More slots may look like OP on paper, but every time you fill a slot with something, you're giving something else up. Want to brick tank? You're going to be slow as molasses. Want some speed and stamina? Not going to have a lot of armor. Want to put on that shield energizer? Welp, that means you got one less shield slot. A logi suit can't be better than an assault because it lacks the base stats. Sure, you can be tanky, fast, invisible to scanners, or have high DPS, but not all at the same time.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
684
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Posted - 2013.11.07 00:59:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Logis are and will outrole assaults. If ccp wont do anything, the only way is to spec into logi. I play as assault and logi and i do more kills and support and wp with logi.
Also, logis can run longer and regen faster as Cats says. Its damn annyoing that logis do both jobs, without weaknes and looses. You do realize that without that repair bonus, we would have to rely on other logis right?
A logi shouldn't be afraid to risk their lives to save someone because their armor wasn't repped. Yeah sure you could run an armor repper, but that's more CPU/PG wasted.
And less CPU means that I can't run ADV and PRO equipment.
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
1469
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:23:00 -
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I'd rather buff the assault before we nerf the logi, IMO the amarr logi is pretty balanced, along with the minmatar and gallente logi.....now the callogi is a whole different ball park
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2270
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:33:00 -
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Amarr Logi A/1 series is THE BEST MED FRAME at ADV level.Sh*t. The BEST suit at ADV level. Think of it, 6 low /high slots, 3 eq slots, sidearm , Light weapon,grenade slot. It does EVERYTHING,from tanking up to 900 HP, to be profile dampned with 650 HP,to be a true logi, etc... (mi personal favourite Logi)
At proto level, nothing beats Caldari and Gallente Logis.
-Logis need their Repair Bonus CHANGED to the Gal Logi default bonus: GÖª All logis get 5% reduction in equipment CPU/PG cost.
OR
-Logis need to have the SAME amound of high / low slots as Assaults. Leave CPU and PG as they are since they will need them for good equipment.
At proto: Gÿ+ Cal Logi: 4 highs 3 lows 3 equipment slots Gÿ+ Gal Logis: 3 Highs 4 Lows 4 Equipment slots Gÿ+ Minmatar Logis : 4 Highs 3 Lows 4 Equipment slots Gÿ+ Amarr Logis : 3 Highs 3 Lows 3 Equipment slots + Sidearm (@ adv level 3 Highs and 2 Lows {So there is a point going into Proto})
BOTH these options come with a Side dish of:
-Logis need to have all equipment slots full in order to be a valid Fitting.
BALANCE
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1418
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:42:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Amarr Logi A/1 series is THE BEST MED FRAME at ADV level.Sh*t. The BEST suit at ADV level. Think of it, 6 low /high slots, 3 eq slots, sidearm , Light weapon,grenade slot. It does EVERYTHING,from tanking up to 900 HP, to be profile dampned with 650 HP,to be a true logi, etc... (mi personal favourite Logi)
At proto level, nothing beats Caldari and Gallente Logis.
-Logis need their Repair Bonus CHANGED to the Gal Logi default bonus: GÖª All logis get 5% reduction in equipment CPU/PG cost.
OR
-Logis need to have the SAME amound of high / low slots as Assaults. Leave CPU and PG as they are since they will need them for good equipment.
At proto: Gÿ+ Cal Logi: 4 highs 3 lows 3 equipment slots Gÿ+ Gal Logis: 3 Highs 4 Lows 4 Equipment slots Gÿ+ Minmatar Logis : 4 Highs 3 Lows 4 Equipment slots Gÿ+ Amarr Logis : 3 Highs 3 Lows 3 Equipment slots + Sidearm (@ adv level 3 Highs and 2 Lows {So there is a point going into Proto})
BOTH these options come with a Side dish of:
-Logis need to have all equipment slots full in order to be a valid Fitting.
BALANCE I want to agree with you, but I also want to say that making them fill their equips is very restricting.
However, I actually want option A and B.
The logi bonus now is stupid for what they are doing.
And by equalizing the potential HP values, you get a good balance between the 3 med frames.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:45:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote: I want to agree with you, but I also want to say that making them fill their equips is very restricting.
However, I actually want option A and B.
The logi bonus now is stupid for what they are doing.
And by equalizing the potential HP values, you get a good balance between the 3 med frames.
Not if the CPU and PG is left the same. (remember would be the same CPU/PG but with less High or Low slots and with the restriction to have to equip all EQ slots.) They can actually equip the whole 3-4 eq slots full,and have enough to tank very good. Just not the 900-1100+ EHP good they have now while ignoring equipment slots for Ammo/A.Scanners/Grenades/Proto weapons/Proto Modules, etc...
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
1473
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:47:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Meeko Fent wrote: I want to agree with you, but I also want to say that making them fill their equips is very restricting.
However, I actually want option A and B.
The logi bonus now is stupid for what they are doing.
And by equalizing the potential HP values, you get a good balance between the 3 med frames.
Not if the CPU and PG is left the same. (remember would be the same CPU/PG but with less High or Low slots and with the restriction to have to equip all EQ slots.) They can actually equip the whole 3-4 eq slots full,and have enough to tank very good. Just not the 900-1100+ EHP good they have now while ignoring equipment slots for Ammo/A.Scanners/Grenades/Proto weapons/Proto Modules, etc... I mean dont get me wrong, Buffs or nerfs i win. I will g o Proto Amarr Logi this week. If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2272
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:49:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea.
Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
1476
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Posted - 2013.11.07 01:54:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea. Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3 But I dumped the majority of my sp into logis and sniping (not because logis are OP but because if I'm on the frontlines I'll be doing repping instead of shooting) :(
I still would like to see an assault buff before a logi nerf
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7437
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:40:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Amarr Logi A/1 series is THE BEST MED FRAME at ADV level.Sh*t. The BEST suit at ADV level. Think of it, 6 low /high slots, 3 eq slots, sidearm , Light weapon,grenade slot. It does EVERYTHING,from tanking up to 900 HP, to be profile dampned with 650 HP,to be a true logi, etc... (mi personal favourite Logi)
At proto level, nothing beats Caldari and Gallente Logis.
-Logis need their Repair Bonus CHANGED to the Gal Logi default bonus: GÖª All logis get 5% reduction in equipment CPU/PG cost.
OR
-Logis need to have the SAME amound of high / low slots as Assaults. Leave CPU and PG as they are since they will need them for good equipment.
At proto: Gÿ+ Cal Logi: 4 highs 3 lows 3 equipment slots Gÿ+ Gal Logis: 3 Highs 4 Lows 4 Equipment slots Gÿ+ Minmatar Logis : 4 Highs 3 Lows 4 Equipment slots Gÿ+ Amarr Logis : 3 Highs 3 Lows 3 Equipment slots + Sidearm (@ adv level 3 Highs and 2 Lows {So there is a point going into Proto})
BOTH these options come with a Side dish of:
-Logis need to have all equipment slots full in order to be a valid Fitting.
BALANCE
That's your balance. All I keep seeing on here is "Mom! He has more HP than me!" FFS we all die just about the same with how screwed up this game is anyway when most weapons' DPS damn near matches or surpasses an average suit's EHP. Give it a rest. I'm sick of getting hate mail for using my "noob suit" from some butthurt punk that thought logi = easy kill. (I run ADV fittings with ~550EHP and ADV weapons)
Tossing around the nerf bat freely while core gameplay is borked is what ruined the flaylock pistol. And I'll be damned if the logistics is going to wind up like that. Give it a rest. The problem is on the assault's side more than anything but unlike scouts and heavies that want buffs, assaults have to drag everything down. This community makes me sick.
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1418
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:48:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea. Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3 But I dumped the majority of my sp into logis and sniping (not because logis are OP but because if I'm on the frontlines I'll be doing repping instead of shooting) :( I still would like to see an assault buff before a logi nerf Shh, any mention of that word results in fire and brimstone to appear on these forums.
If you buff assaults, then you need to buff the basic med frames, and the heavies, and the scouts.
Buffing EVERYTHING up to the level of an abused item seems like a bad idea.
It be like buffing every weapon in the game to compete with the TAR.
It's the only outlier in HP and damage that wasn't entirely intentional.
I know CCP gave the logis those slots for CPU and PG mods, but they could've made the logi able to fit its equipment in a more logical way as opposed to give them more slots
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:50:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea. Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3 But I dumped the majority of my sp into logis and sniping (not because logis are OP but because if I'm on the frontlines I'll be doing repping instead of shooting) :( I still would like to see an assault buff before a logi nerf
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
485
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:51:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea. Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3
That logic contradicts with skill customization. The main thing that's driving Dust right now. |
Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:56:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea. Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3 But I dumped the majority of my sp into logis and sniping (not because logis are OP but because if I'm on the frontlines I'll be doing repping instead of shooting) :( I still would like to see an assault buff before a logi nerf Then Join our Respec pettition army.
/Solved :3 But I like my fits and stuff....my logi ak0 is so smexy
It would be a pain to Re-allocate all of my sp, it's been used in such a precise way that if anything is changed it'll mess up at least half my fits
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:56:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:
That's your balance.
Whut? Havnt you seen me around lately? I Run a 650 / Profile Dampned Amarr Logi with ASCR or a 900 HP With a LAser. The only times i use assault is while using my Imperial... Im not complaining in a QQ , im asking to blaance it so every suit has their utility. as it is, they dont.
Quote: All I keep seeing on here is "Mom! He has more HP than me!" FFS we all die just about the same with how screwed up this game is anyway when most weapons' DPS damn near matches or surpasses an average suit's EHP.
This is not true. My Amarr Assault has around 630 HP and my Logi 900 (This is at ADV level mind you). PLUS innate Armor regen. I dO feel the HP difference a lot.
Quote:Give it a rest. I'm sick of getting hate mail for using my "noob suit" from some butthurt punk that thought logi = easy kill. (I run ADV fittings with ~550EHP and ADV weapons)
Logis might not be always EZ kill suit, but they SURE ARE EZ to stay alive suit....
Quote:Tossing around the nerf bat freely while core gameplay is borked is what ruined the flaylock pistol. THE FP now is a little UP but still usable. Does it need a slight buff? Sure. Does it need o be a 1HKO Dual wielded mass driver as it was ? NO.
Quote:And I'll be damned if the logistics is going to wind up like that. Give it a rest. The problem is on the assault's side more than anything but unlike scouts and heavies that want buffs, assaults have to drag everything down. This community makes me sick. You'll be damned becaues you know its the best suit. You cant call me a sore assault QQer because Logi IS my main suit. I would just like to feel for once , i cannot do everything my scouts / heavies/ Assault fits do with just 1 dropsuit. Im looking for diversity here, NOT Personal gain.
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:57:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea. Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3 That logic contradicts with skill customization. The main thing that's driving Dust right now. That was going to be my next point, +1 to you sir :)
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:57:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:
But I like my fits and stuff....my logi ak0 is so incredibly powerful
It would be a pain to Re-allocate all of my sp, it's been used in such a precise way that if anything is changed it'll mess up at least half my fits
Fixed that for you bro.
AGAIN, if logis wont get a rebalance its fine by me, i use Logis myself. Just saying, Death of diversity right here...
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.07 02:59:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: If logis need to have all their equipment slots filled, then I can't use 3/4 my amarr logi sniper fits.
Then what am I supposed to do?
Thats the idea. Assaults and Scouts should be sniping. not logis :3 That logic contradicts with skill customization. The main thing that's driving Dust right now. That was going to be my next point, +1 to you sir :)
It might, but The amount of slots/CPU-PG and ''assault oriented bonus'' for armor repair contradicts with BALANCE.
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