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RedZer0 MK1
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:30:00 -
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I gave the best solution to this problem, hands down. Every other "fix" would break the Logi class, or make assaults unstoppable. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:32:00 -
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RedZer0 MK1 wrote:I gave the best solution to this problem, hands down. Every other "fix" would break the Logi class, or make assaults unstoppable. What was the solution?
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:32:00 -
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I'm a proto gall logi. A real one, not one that runs around with 6 triage hives. I run full logi suit, with all things necesary to give my team the edge. If you use your logi as an assault then you really are hurting your team. With all the one ups I give to my mates, They can win most engagements.
If someone doesnt like people using logi as an assault, they really don't know that that same logi with 6 triage hives die to a flux and a few rounds by my mates.
I kept them alive so they can kill you. And as a a fake logi, no one is keeping your teamates alive.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:36:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:I'm a proto gall logi. A real one, not one that runs around with 6 triage hives. I run full logi suit, with all things necesary to give my team the edge. If you use your logi as an assault then you really are hurting your team. With all the one ups I give to my mates, They can win most engagements.
If someone doesnt like people using logi as an assault, they really don't know that that same logi with 6 triage hives die to a flux and a few rounds by my mates.
I kept them alive so they can kill you. And as a a fake logi, no one is keeping your teamates alive. That's cute. Until you realized I stopped a squad of 6 proto slayers with just two triage hives. A flux nades? While I got two more. A flux nade? I got two more.
The fact that you are a true logi doesn't change the fact these suits can be abused, and are better than an assault when abused.
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Justin Tymes
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:36:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:I'm a proto gall logi. A real one, not one that runs around with 6 triage hives. I run full logi suit, with all things necesary to give my team the edge. If you use your logi as an assault then you really are hurting your team. With all the one ups I give to my mates, They can win most engagements.
If someone doesnt like people using logi as an assault, they really don't know that that same logi with 6 triage hives die to a flux and a few rounds by my mates.
I kept them alive so they can kill you. And as a a fake logi, no one is keeping your teamates alive.
If you're not using Triage Hives you shouldn't be using Gallente Logi. MinLogi does it better without them. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:40:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote: weird i fit all proto type nanohives on my logi and have pretty good defences(630EHP) on a ADV suit(std AR),I have to use some lows for CPU/PG mods but hey thts the price i pay for wanting better equpiment over offensive/defences capabilities. When you take into account that logis have high BASE CPU/PG AND the slots to tank it seem kinda excessive to need all the CPU/PG to be able to fit most if all your suit with proto lvl things at proto without mods.
Ah I forgot to take into account CPU mods. My bad. Haven't used those since Chromosome. Brings back memories... Back when I was trying to beat Free in terms of best equipment per suit... Where is Free Healing anyway? He still leader of LOTIS?
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:44:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:What most people fail to realize that when people say "logi is OP", they don't mean that logi is simply a better fighter. It's that they're pretty much the same as the assault (with a few swaps, like less speed but more eHP) BUT get 3-4 equipment slots. When people stack plates and extenders in these threads to show that logis aren't that far ahead eHP wise, they fail to realize that stacking plates and extenders is not the best of suits. Here are my logi and assault suits, each are designed to push it to the maximum, I have been tweaking my suits for ages and these are the optimal one's I found: Note: I have CPU/PG skills maxed, I could not push this suit further.
Gallente Assault: High: Complex damage mod Complex shield extender Complex damage mod
Low: Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced armor rep Enhanced armor rep
Weapons: GEK 38 Assault rifle Syndicate SMG
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Allotek Nanohive
Armor: 449 Shield: 217 Combined: 666 (huehuehue) Damage bonus (skills not included): 20% Regen rate: 7.5hp/s Movement speed: 4.81 Sprint speed: 7.08 Stamina: 157.50 Stamina regen: 15.75
Not bad right?
Now let's look at the Gallente logi: High: Complex damage mod Complex damage mod Complex shield extender
Low: Enhanced ferroscale plate Basic plate Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced Cardiac regulator
Weapon: Duvolle Assault Rifle
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Wiyrkomi Triage hives Wiyrkomi Triage hives A-86 active scanner Ishukone Gauged hive
Shield: 181 Armor: 560 Combined: 741 Damage bonus (skills not included): 25% (I could fit a duvolle on my logi, which has +5% damage over a gek) Regen rate: 5hp/s (Inherent logi regen) Movement speed: 4.54 m/s Sprint speed: 6.67m/s Stamina: 198.19 Stamina regen: 22.89
Conclusion: Seems pretty legit right? The logi has more damage, more eHP, more stamina and more stamina regen for the price of speed and a sidearm right? Oh wait, but that would only be legit if both were combat focused suits, I.E both have one equipment. But the logi has 4 equipment slots, making it far far more verastile and just a better deal overall. Especially with the 6x triage hives I fit on my logi, I am ******* invincible inside one of those. Low on health? Plop a triage hive, return to battle faster than shields can recharge. I also couldn't fit a scanner on my assault, making me much more blind. Also, I could fit a kin cat instead of a regulator to be even faster than my assault, but I prefer the sustainability that regulators provide.
How I think this should be solved: Two problems that I see here: 1. Logis get 5hp/s on armor inherent, which allows me to give up on a armor rep and put on an extra plate, increasing the eHP gap further. HOWEVER CCP said they will change it once they have the infastracture to do it (something about the code doesn't allow them to put on a more logi orientated bonus)
2. The CPU/PG gap is just damn too high. Could solve it by either reducing the CPU/PG on logis, forcing them to decide on either being a combat suit or a logi suit, not both, OR increasing the CPU/PG on the assault. (Should also buff the scout CPU/PG and heavy CPU/PG if this is done, just to be fair)
.....You used 2 enhanced armor rep on your suit so that's pretty easy to say "i don't have hp !!!!!" while 2 of your 4 hp slots are armor repa.......
And A gallente logi will never use Cardiac regulator. So he have less stamina and speed.
Each time you take the worst choice possible for your assault (Come on 2 armor rep ? and only basic plates ???) And you optimized your logi...
Anyway we must wait than the Logi bonus turn to PG/cpu about equipement THEN you could reduce PG/CPU for logi.
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:44:00 -
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I will so try that assault build..and OH LOOK A KITTY!
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:44:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:I'm a proto gall logi. A real one, not one that runs around with 6 triage hives. I run full logi suit, with all things necesary to give my team the edge. If you use your logi as an assault then you really are hurting your team. With all the one ups I give to my mates, They can win most engagements.
If someone doesnt like people using logi as an assault, they really don't know that that same logi with 6 triage hives die to a flux and a few rounds by my mates.
I kept them alive so they can kill you. And as a a fake logi, no one is keeping your teamates alive. So I went out to try and make a logi fit, as in a real logi. I kept everything else the same, but just switched out the equipment. I have an allotek hive, a scanner, a rep tool and an injector. But the base suit is still as good as an assault... I really don't see your argument, except for that you are one of the rare logis that actually do their job. I will pray for scotty that he will match you with me because I miss having actual logi support from chromo *sniff*.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:45:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Cat Merc wrote:What most people fail to realize that when people say "logi is OP", they don't mean that logi is simply a better fighter. It's that they're pretty much the same as the assault (with a few swaps, like less speed but more eHP) BUT get 3-4 equipment slots. When people stack plates and extenders in these threads to show that logis aren't that far ahead eHP wise, they fail to realize that stacking plates and extenders is not the best of suits. Here are my logi and assault suits, each are designed to push it to the maximum, I have been tweaking my suits for ages and these are the optimal one's I found: Note: I have CPU/PG skills maxed, I could not push this suit further.
Gallente Assault: High: Complex damage mod Complex shield extender Complex damage mod
Low: Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced armor rep Enhanced armor rep
Weapons: GEK 38 Assault rifle Syndicate SMG
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Allotek Nanohive
Armor: 449 Shield: 217 Combined: 666 (huehuehue) Damage bonus (skills not included): 20% Regen rate: 7.5hp/s Movement speed: 4.81 Sprint speed: 7.08 Stamina: 157.50 Stamina regen: 15.75
Not bad right?
Now let's look at the Gallente logi: High: Complex damage mod Complex damage mod Complex shield extender
Low: Enhanced ferroscale plate Basic plate Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced Cardiac regulator
Weapon: Duvolle Assault Rifle
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Wiyrkomi Triage hives Wiyrkomi Triage hives A-86 active scanner Ishukone Gauged hive
Shield: 181 Armor: 560 Combined: 741 Damage bonus (skills not included): 25% (I could fit a duvolle on my logi, which has +5% damage over a gek) Regen rate: 5hp/s (Inherent logi regen) Movement speed: 4.54 m/s Sprint speed: 6.67m/s Stamina: 198.19 Stamina regen: 22.89
Conclusion: Seems pretty legit right? The logi has more damage, more eHP, more stamina and more stamina regen for the price of speed and a sidearm right? Oh wait, but that would only be legit if both were combat focused suits, I.E both have one equipment. But the logi has 4 equipment slots, making it far far more verastile and just a better deal overall. Especially with the 6x triage hives I fit on my logi, I am ******* invincible inside one of those. Low on health? Plop a triage hive, return to battle faster than shields can recharge. I also couldn't fit a scanner on my assault, making me much more blind. Also, I could fit a kin cat instead of a regulator to be even faster than my assault, but I prefer the sustainability that regulators provide.
How I think this should be solved: Two problems that I see here: 1. Logis get 5hp/s on armor inherent, which allows me to give up on a armor rep and put on an extra plate, increasing the eHP gap further. HOWEVER CCP said they will change it once they have the infastracture to do it (something about the code doesn't allow them to put on a more logi orientated bonus)
2. The CPU/PG gap is just damn too high. Could solve it by either reducing the CPU/PG on logis, forcing them to decide on either being a combat suit or a logi suit, not both, OR increasing the CPU/PG on the assault. (Should also buff the scout CPU/PG and heavy CPU/PG if this is done, just to be fair) .....You used 2 enhanced armor rep on your suit so that's pretty easy to say "i don't have hp !!!!!" while 2 of your 4 hp slots are armor repa....... And A gallente logi will never use Cardiac regulator. So he have less stamina and speed. Each time you take the worst choice possible for your assault (Come on 2 armor rep ? and only basic plates ???) And you optimized your logi... Anyway we must wait than the Logi bonus turn to PG/cpu about equipement THEN you could reduce PG/CPU for logi. I optimized my assault. I wanted to fit better ****, but my CPU/PG is maxed.
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: Not to any significant extent. I am using a standard SMG and yet I am far, far from being able to fit a duvolle. And minmatar weapons have the lowest CPU/PG in the game. So do 1+1 and you will see it won't make a difference.
Sounds like you just don't want to accept the difference. Now I agree that those differences are pretty narrow, but the idea was:
Assault = Weapon/offense based bonuses, more firepower, (with sidearms) better base stats, faster regen, not as tanky.
Logi = Support/Non-Combat based bonuses, less firepower, more customizable, worst base stats, slow regen, more tanky.
Both suits have their advantages and disadvantages, but I agree the GaLogi seems better on paper since it can tank more. The assault kind of lacks compared to the others since you don't really have the speed since it armor tanks. It's still a solid suit, but the problem is more on the assault side than the logi side. I'd rather see CCP adjust assault bonuses before they think of touching logistics. Unless you like that shield bonus on an armor suit that is...
Hell, give give the assaults 25% to their base shield recharge and replace the bonus with something more useful like a fitting reduction to weapons (including grenades) and weapon mods. Imagine that stacking with the Gallente assault's bonus, you could probably fit a Duvolle, Ishukone, and M-1 locus grenades at the same time.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:47:00 -
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Nyaa
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Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:48:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Not to any significant extent. I am using a standard SMG and yet I am far, far from being able to fit a duvolle. And minmatar weapons have the lowest CPU/PG in the game. So do 1+1 and you will see it won't make a difference.
Sounds like you just don't want to accept the difference. Now I agree that those differences are pretty narrow, but the idea was: Assault = Weapon/offense based bonuses, more firepower, (with sidearms) better base stats, faster regen, not as tanky. Logi = Support/Non-Combat based bonuses, less firepower, more customizable, worst base stats, slow regen, more tanky. Both suits have their advantages and disadvantages, but I agree the GaLogi seems better on paper since it can tank more. The assault kind of lacks compared to the others since you don't really have the speed since it armor tanks. It's still a solid suit, but the problem is more on the assault side than the logi side. I'd rather see CCP adjust assault bonuses before they think of touching logistics. Unless you like that shield bonus on an armor suit that is... Hell, give give the assaults 25% to their base shield recharge and replace the bonus with something more useful like a fitting reduction to weapons (including grenades) and weapon mods. Imagine that stacking with the Gallente assault's bonus, you could probably fit a Duvolle, Ishukone, and M-1 locus grenades at the same time. Would love that honestly. But less firepower part just isn't true IMHO. When you have a duvolle with 2x complex damage mods and a 15% proficiency bonus, you just melt things anyway. I only use a sidearm when I go against 3-4 people at the same time within the same room (no time to reload). And even then I only need to finish off the fourth guy since my duvolle already wrecked him.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:48:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Nyaa Shuddup, you are 2 levels of forum warrioring below me :P
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Mordecai Sanguine
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:52:00 -
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Quote:I optimized my assault. I wanted to fit better ****, but my CPU/PG is maxed.
Nope dude..... First remove your Complex shield extender. You're Gallente why using 11PG (it's BIIIG) for only 66hp of shield ?
I don't remember but how much Pg cost a Complex damager ? |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:55:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Quote:I optimized my assault. I wanted to fit better ****, but my CPU/PG is maxed. Nope dude..... First remove your Complex shield extender. You're Gallente why using 11PG (it's BIIIG) for only 66hp of shield ? I don't remember but how much Pg cost a Complex damager ? Complex damage = 9 PG. I use a complex extender because of grenade and MD spam, armor has -30% resistance to explsovies while shield has +30%. This gives me that little bit of reaction time I need to deal with explosive spam.
In addition, damage mods have stacking penalties, the third damage mod would do 54% of it's original bonus, so instead of 10% it's 5.4%. A shield extender gives me way better bang for the buck in that regard.
Lastly, if I put on a third damage mod, my CPU get's strained, and I can't fit anything. A shield extender kinda balances things out, with damage mods being more heavy on CPU and extenders being more heavy on PG.
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:01:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: Would love that honestly. But less firepower part just isn't true IMHO. When you have a duvolle with 2x complex damage mods and a 15% proficiency bonus, you just melt things anyway. I only use a sidearm when I go against 3-4 people at the same time within the same room (no time to reload). And even then I only need to finish off the fourth guy since my duvolle already wrecked him.
Duvolle with 2x CLDMs and prof 5 can melt anything without prejudice from who ever his on the pleasure end of the gun. Doesn't mean the suit that can fit it is OP.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:01:00 -
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Alright peeps I'm going to sleep, have fun debating and I will return tomorrow to ensla... I mean hire ya'll for my cat business.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:02:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Would love that honestly. But less firepower part just isn't true IMHO. When you have a duvolle with 2x complex damage mods and a 15% proficiency bonus, you just melt things anyway. I only use a sidearm when I go against 3-4 people at the same time within the same room (no time to reload). And even then I only need to finish off the fourth guy since my duvolle already wrecked him.
Duvolle with 2x CLDMs and prof 5 can melt anything without prejudice from who ever his on the pleasure end of the gun. Doesn't mean the suit that can fit it is OP. That's my point, when you use something like that a sidearm isn't nearly as useful, making the firepower difference between a logi and assault nearly non existant.
Alright, I'm off to sleep, meow.
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:06:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: That's my point, when you use something like that a sidearm isn't nearly as useful, making the firepower difference between a logi and assault nearly non existant.
Alright, I'm off to sleep, meow.
So, a gun that's so powerful that you don't even need a sidearm isn't OP, but a suit that doesn't have a sidearm uses it suddenly is?
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:08:00 -
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Dear god your back
But anyways I wish we had a logi suit that had 4 equipment slots at all tiers, in exchange for a low/high slot.
If CCP did this then I'd crap myself. We'd finally have a way of separating Assualt Logi's from Triage Logi's.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:11:00 -
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Alright, lets just call it a logi-assault suit and be done with it. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:12:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote: That's my point, when you use something like that a sidearm isn't nearly as useful, making the firepower difference between a logi and assault nearly non existant.
Alright, I'm off to sleep, meow.
So, a gun that's so powerful that you don't even need a sidearm isn't OP, but a suit that doesn't have a sidearm uses it suddenly is? So, youtube didn't let me sleep, so I will stay here for a few more minutes.
I don't see your logic. If they both have the same firepower (Since we put the sidearm out of the equation), but one has higher eHP, higher stamina and regen, for a lower speed, but 4 equipment.... The upsides keep stacking up for the logi :\
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Vesago Ghostcore
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:29:00 -
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If they added HP to shields and armor for Assault suits only... I mean not logis OR basics, proportionally to the new heavy buff would that even things out in your opinion? Say +40 to both. Personally I use both the Gal Logi, and the Gal Assault suits, so nerfing Logi's would just move me over to assaults because I like survivability and Logi seems to be pretty thankless most times anyway. I don't think the objective is to alienate people but to give the Assault more of a role specific boost right?
I think Scouts should also get a HP buff of at least +20 each if not 30.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:30:00 -
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See in just putting out straight numbers you neglect the part where Cat Merc's assault suit is able to use it's increased speed and stamina to flank Cat Merc's logi suit and bring it's EHP down by half before the logi suit can even bring it's duvolle to bear on the assault suit.
In my experience my advanced assault minmatar suit is better for killing than either my proto gallente logi or my proto amarr logi. And that is a 11 mil SP character vs a 22 mil SP character. I will grant you that I build my logi suits to be actual logis, but they both are still pretty well tanked (I think about 850 EHP on the gallente and about 750 EHP on the amarr). |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:34:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:See in just putting out straight numbers you neglect the part where Cat Merc's assault suit is able to use it's increased speed and stamina to flank Cat Merc's logi suit and bring it's EHP down by half before the logi suit can even bring it's duvolle to bear on the assault suit.
In my experience my advanced assault minmatar suit is better for killing than either my proto gallente logi or my proto amarr logi. And that is a 11 mil SP character vs a 22 mil SP character. I will grant you that I build my logi suits to be actual logis, but they both are still pretty well tanked (I think about 850 EHP on the gallente and about 750 EHP on the amarr). Oh hey, the logi has a scanner that can see everything within a 100m radius, making flankers a non issue. And that logi has better stamina and stamina regen incase you didn't notice.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:34:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote: That's my point, when you use something like that a sidearm isn't nearly as useful, making the firepower difference between a logi and assault nearly non existant.
Alright, I'm off to sleep, meow.
So, a gun that's so powerful that you don't even need a sidearm isn't OP, but a suit that doesn't have a sidearm uses it suddenly is? So, youtube didn't let me sleep, so I will stay here for a few more minutes. I don't see your logic. If they both have the same firepower (Since we put the sidearm out of the equation), but one has higher eHP, higher stamina and regen, for a lower speed, but 4 equipment.... The upsides keep stacking up for the logi :\ Nerf the damn Duvolle. There, I said it.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:35:00 -
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Honestly, all I could think of after I read that was "well duh..."
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:36:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote: That's my point, when you use something like that a sidearm isn't nearly as useful, making the firepower difference between a logi and assault nearly non existant.
Alright, I'm off to sleep, meow.
So, a gun that's so powerful that you don't even need a sidearm isn't OP, but a suit that doesn't have a sidearm uses it suddenly is? So, youtube didn't let me sleep, so I will stay here for a few more minutes. I don't see your logic. If they both have the same firepower (Since we put the sidearm out of the equation), but one has higher eHP, higher stamina and regen, for a lower speed, but 4 equipment.... The upsides keep stacking up for the logi :\ Nerf the damn Duvolle. There, I said it. To make it even more useless? The only reason I'm using the AR is because of the CPU/PG bonus I get with the assault, and with the logi I used it in this comparison for fair game. My SCR MELTS everything, It's my new baby. 3 shots to kill a person, 24 shots to overheat. Seems legit.
Not to mention the rail rifle looking like it will kick the AR's butt, and the combat rifle while it will have lower DPS, it will have longer range and lower CPU/PG.
Duvolle is far from OP.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:42:00 -
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*Yawn* Finally, I feel tired. Later peeps. Have fun either agreeing with me and feeding me sardin or throwing poop at me and booing :P
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