You do not approve the cat, the cat approves you.
Silly human.

Silly human, SoTa has been trolling since before you were born, no way that you were waiting for the Rail Rifle since then :P

Well you weren't immortal from birth were you?

Logi?
They said nothing about an Ion Pistol, magsec SMG or a plasma grenade.
What we know for sure is the combat rifle, and rail rifle.

Can you link for me where you got that? (Ion pistol, magsec SMG and plasma grenade)

Ah, that makes more sense.
Anyway, unless these sidearms are going to be OP, I don't see how that is an advanatage over logis.
I saw a logi with a flaylock lol

What most people fail to realize that when people say "logi is OP", they don't mean that logi is simply a better fighter.
It's that they're pretty much the same as the assault (with a few swaps, like less speed but more eHP) BUT get 3-4 equipment slots.
When people stack plates and extenders in these threads to show that logis aren't that far ahead eHP wise, they fail to realize that stacking plates and extenders is not the best of suits.
Here are my logi and assault suits, each are designed to push it to the maximum, I have been tweaking my suits for ages and these are the optimal one's I found:
Note: I have CPU/PG skills maxed, I could not push this suit further.

Gallente Assault:
High:
Complex damage mod
Complex shield extender
Complex damage mod

Low:
Basic plate
Basic plate
Enhanced armor rep
Enhanced armor rep

Weapons:
GEK 38 Assault rifle
Syndicate SMG

Grenade:
M1 Locus

Equipment:
Allotek Nanohive

Armor: 449
Shield: 217
Combined: 666 (huehuehue)
Damage bonus (skills not included): 20%
Regen rate: 7.5hp/s
Movement speed: 4.81
Sprint speed: 7.08
Stamina: 157.50
Stamina regen: 15.75

Not bad right?

Now let's look at the Gallente logi:
High:
Complex damage mod
Complex damage mod
Complex shield extender

Low:
Enhanced ferroscale plate
Basic plate
Basic plate
Basic plate
Enhanced Cardiac regulator

Weapon:
Duvolle Assault Rifle

Grenade:
M1 Locus

Equipment:
Wiyrkomi Triage hives
Wiyrkomi Triage hives
A-86 active scanner
Ishukone Gauged hive


Shield: 181
Armor: 560
Combined: 741
Damage bonus (skills not included): 25% (I could fit a duvolle on my logi, which has +5% damage over a gek)
Regen rate: 5hp/s (Inherent logi regen)
Movement speed: 4.54 m/s
Sprint speed: 6.67m/s
Stamina: 198.19
Stamina regen: 22.89



Conclusion:
Seems pretty legit right?
The logi has more damage, more eHP, more stamina and more stamina regen for the price of speed and a sidearm right?
Oh wait, but that would only be legit if both were combat focused suits, I.E both have one equipment.
But the logi has 4 equipment slots, making it far far more verastile and just a better deal overall.
Especially with the 6x triage hives I fit on my logi, I am ******* invincible inside one of those.
Low on health?
Plop a triage hive, return to battle faster than shields can recharge.
I also couldn't fit a scanner on my assault, making me much more blind.
Also, I could fit a kin cat instead of a regulator to be even faster than my assault, but I prefer the sustainability that regulators provide.


How I think this should be solved:
Two problems that I see here:
1. Logis get 5hp/s on armor inherent, which allows me to give up on a armor rep and put on an extra plate, increasing the eHP gap further. HOWEVER CCP said they will change it once they have the infastracture to do it (something about the code doesn't allow them to put on a more logi orientated bonus)

2. The CPU/PG gap is just damn too high.
Could solve it by either reducing the CPU/PG on logis, forcing them to decide on either being a combat suit or a logi suit, not both, OR increasing the CPU/PG on the assault. (Should also buff the scout CPU/PG and heavy CPU/PG if this is done, just to be fair)

Not to any significant extent.
I am using a standard SMG and yet I am far, far from being able to fit a duvolle.
And minmatar weapons have the lowest CPU/PG in the game.
So do 1+1 and you will see it won't make a difference.

I optimized my assault.
I wanted to fit better ****, but my CPU/PG is maxed.

Would love that honestly.
But less firepower part just isn't true IMHO.
When you have a duvolle with 2x complex damage mods and a 15% proficiency bonus, you just melt things anyway.
I only use a sidearm when I go against 3-4 people at the same time within the same room (no time to reload).
And even then I only need to finish off the fourth guy since my duvolle already wrecked him.

That's my point, when you use something like that a sidearm isn't nearly as useful, making the firepower difference between a logi and assault nearly non existant.

Alright, I'm off to sleep, meow.

So, youtube didn't let me sleep, so I will stay here for a few more minutes.

I don't see your logic.
If they both have the same firepower (Since we put the sidearm out of the equation), but one has higher eHP, higher stamina and regen, for a lower speed, but 4 equipment....
The upsides keep stacking up for the logi :\

It does and it doesn't, when you think about it, who reps a logi? Surely not another logi because the other one is busy repping 2 other people.

But I can see what you mean, the advantage of the logis bonus is like 20 times better than the assault bonus (for the most part)

I still think that assaults need some sort of buff (nothing to drastic but something enough to make them just as viable as some logis)

Assaults don't need a second EQ slot, Scouts should have that way more than Assaults.

Heavy = 0
Assault = 1
Scout = 2
Logi = 3/4

That should be the EQ slot formula.

Cat, I see where your numbers are coming from, but here's a more accurate depiction of a fit for Assaulting (i.e. KILL ZEM ALLZ)

Cal Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFRtOEswWGNWcl9ydWFQdHM1SklHUlE&usp=sharing

Cal Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHZWTGNoZTkyTXhMb3BTMm1IdVJvX2c&usp=sharing

Gal Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhvcjJaUDV1Vy1pT1E3UHIxNDJhZGc&usp=sharing

Gal Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDh1STNtRTd1R1pvMlRUbzJsRUFMeHc&usp=sharing

Min Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHctYlcyZk9CbWVwcWUxRGZKMmpRTFE&usp=sharing

Min Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFp1QjA5NFJtdW05ZU11Umh0c0E1b0E&usp=sharing

Amarr Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhFLXlPT3JYY0hoNkt1SEVmazJ5cGc&usp=sharing

Amarr Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdEZqV3MxSUprWWZrNDhaZFFTTGItQmc&usp=sharing

As you can see, for the majority of all the Combat fits (I went full tank here to showcase who the Logi abusers have been abusing the extra slots. Only the Amarr suits have equipment, and that's only a standard needle) of both suits, Logistics provide much more HP for lose of a Sidearm, and speed.

The Amarr Logi loses .24 meters per second. Every 4 seconds its assault counterpart is one meter in front of it.

The Caldari Logi loses .42 meters per second. Every 2 seconds its assault counterpart move one meter in front.

The Minmatar Logi loses .8 meters per second. Roughly every second its assault counterparts move one meter ahead.

The Gallente Logi loses .37 meters per second. Roughly every three seconds, its assault counterpart grows one meter ahead.

However, they have an boost of HP.

Caldari Logi gains 318 HP over its assault variant

Gallente Logi gains 245 HP over its assault variant

Minmatar logi gains 380 over its assault variant.

Amarr logi gains 167 over its assault fit, while retaining the sidearm and Equipment slots

While this may seem like a fair trade, considering that we can spawn 27K LAVs wherever the hell we want, the speed factor is made null. This tactic was, and still is by the select few, used by heavies to make up for their snail pace.

So, for all intents and purposes, the Logistic Suits gain 300 HP over its assault brothers, while losing speed that is used to cross the difference between the LAV parking spot and the Objective.




Balanced you say?

I got hit by a proto minnie assault in my gallogi. It tickled so I turned around and killed him.