Amarr Logi A/1 series is THE BEST MED FRAME at ADV level.Sh*t. The BEST suit at ADV level.
Think of it, 6 low /high slots, 3 eq slots, sidearm , Light weapon,grenade slot. It does EVERYTHING,from tanking up to 900 HP, to be profile dampned with 650 HP,to be a true logi, etc...
(mi personal favourite Logi)

At proto level, nothing beats Caldari and Gallente Logis.

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-Logis need their Repair Bonus CHANGED to the Gal Logi default bonus:
GÖª All logis get 5% reduction in equipment CPU/PG cost.

OR

-Logis need to have the SAME amound of high / low slots as Assaults. Leave CPU and PG as they are since they will need them for good equipment.

At proto:
Gÿ+ Cal Logi: 4 highs 3 lows 3 equipment slots
Gÿ+ Gal Logis: 3 Highs 4 Lows 4 Equipment slots
Gÿ+ Minmatar Logis : 4 Highs 3 Lows 4 Equipment slots
Gÿ+ Amarr Logis : 3 Highs 3 Lows 3 Equipment slots + Sidearm (@ adv level 3 Highs and 2 Lows {So there is a point going into Proto})

BOTH these options come with a Side dish of:

-Logis need to have all equipment slots full in order to be a valid Fitting.




BALANCE

But I dumped the majority of my sp into logis and sniping (not because logis are OP but because if I'm on the frontlines I'll be doing repping instead of shooting) :(

I still would like to see an assault buff before a logi nerf

Cat, I see where your numbers are coming from, but here's a more accurate depiction of a fit for Assaulting (i.e. KILL ZEM ALLZ)

Cal Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFRtOEswWGNWcl9ydWFQdHM1SklHUlE&usp=sharing

Cal Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHZWTGNoZTkyTXhMb3BTMm1IdVJvX2c&usp=sharing

Gal Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhvcjJaUDV1Vy1pT1E3UHIxNDJhZGc&usp=sharing

Gal Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDh1STNtRTd1R1pvMlRUbzJsRUFMeHc&usp=sharing

Min Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHctYlcyZk9CbWVwcWUxRGZKMmpRTFE&usp=sharing

Min Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFp1QjA5NFJtdW05ZU11Umh0c0E1b0E&usp=sharing

Amarr Salt-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhFLXlPT3JYY0hoNkt1SEVmazJ5cGc&usp=sharing

Amarr Logi-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdEZqV3MxSUprWWZrNDhaZFFTTGItQmc&usp=sharing

As you can see, for the majority of all the Combat fits (I went full tank here to showcase who the Logi abusers have been abusing the extra slots. Only the Amarr suits have equipment, and that's only a standard needle) of both suits, Logistics provide much more HP for lose of a Sidearm, and speed.

The Amarr Logi loses .24 meters per second. Every 4 seconds its assault counterpart is one meter in front of it.

The Caldari Logi loses .42 meters per second. Every 2 seconds its assault counterpart move one meter in front.

The Minmatar Logi loses .8 meters per second. Roughly every second its assault counterparts move one meter ahead.

The Gallente Logi loses .37 meters per second. Roughly every three seconds, its assault counterpart grows one meter ahead.

However, they have an boost of HP.

Caldari Logi gains 318 HP over its assault variant

Gallente Logi gains 245 HP over its assault variant

Minmatar logi gains 380 over its assault variant.

Amarr logi gains 167 over its assault fit, while retaining the sidearm and Equipment slots

While this may seem like a fair trade, considering that we can spawn 27K LAVs wherever the hell we want, the speed factor is made null. This tactic was, and still is by the select few, used by heavies to make up for their snail pace.

So, for all intents and purposes, the Logistic Suits gain 300 HP over its assault brothers, while losing speed that is used to cross the difference between the LAV parking spot and the Objective.




Balanced you say?

Speed and Stamina is about strafe speed and in dust strafe is about avoid bullets.
So YES it's really important.

Extremely High Hit detection denies my 10.5 Sprint speed Minnie scout from dodging a GEK at 60 mts around a corner...
How much will your strafing save you from 2 AR spammers? LOL

So no... HP is more important than Stamina and speed. Plus Logis reach HIGH Hp values WHILE still being able to Be Fast and have enough stamina, so no...

Why people cant Just admit they are biased here!?
HAve you seen Tournament videos from DUST514? COUNT THE Godd**** LOGIS there. The only heavies are TANKERs, no SCOUTS ,no commandos, 1 or 2 assaults. The rest are MURDER-LOGIS.Out of 16 dudes, 13 are Logis so far as seeing in PC videos Full teams of logis.

THERE IS A REASON FOR THIS, dont deny it....

To Many, But not to All:

20 of these threads a day and they still waste my time in arguments that have been going on since the beginning. I've come to terms that we will never agree. Logis are great other classes suck, is that what you want to hear? You are right of course, the augmented processes for growing logi clones is quite involved.

(And this is all true according to EVE lore... that I've just made up)

Generally the whole cloning process just spits out fat ones, skinny ones, and angry jocks to be handed a weapon and die on the battlefield. To the logis they give the brains, the best suits, the bonuses, and for those that want the upgraded models even better skin coloring, muscle tone, and working organs to enjoy the finer things of life during their short time of activation. That the brutes of the battle class have finally noticed is surprising - i guess we've never given them quite the amount of attention that they needed. They can be as petulant as undisciplined children sometimes when they don't get their way.

But no matter, the most interesting part is that these calloused Neanderthals would rather have logis sink to their level rather than demand that their classes also rise to the calling of greatness and nobility. No, they would rather that these qualities be stripped from the class so that I too might wallow in their filthy weakness.

Do they demand more Module Slots?! No
Do they desire better class bonuses?! No
Do they desire greater racial bonuses?! No

But like the dog that's jealous of the owner's fine meal he seeks to take it or hide it rather than merely ask, nay BEG, for better food. It's not their fault. They have neither the genes nor the advanced dexterity to type, much less speak, about their wants to their task masters. They would rather have us all swimming in the mud like serfs than eating at the table like kings.

Pick your side. Nerfs or Buffs.
Get everyone to Live in dropsuit squalor or fight like kings in better class dropsuits. Your choice.
May you be a better man for thinking it through.


Sarcasm is the healing balm for a festering soul.