DUST Search - A Call to Boycott The Heavy Class

Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

Remember when heavies were feared? Remember when you heard an HMG you would think twice about confronting a heavy? Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy? Remember when the HMG was a beast? Pepperidge Farm remembers!

Like honestly, this struggle...

Since Uprising 1.0 I've been fighting to get the heavy class back to when they were feared. 1.2-1.3 Heavies were alright, and even gimped they had a chance of doing decent in competitive modes. What makes a heavy good in Uprising is not the weapon he uses or the suit, is his brain and how he thinks.

When a heavy does good it's because he played his arse off, not because he had an easy mode AR with him. Positioning is key and support from a logi, but even then, a logi is not a guarantee. A heavy's best friend is his way of thinking. When a class is no longer doing well IN SPITE OF his best asset, THEN THE CLASS HAS GONE TO CRAP! The HMG is too weak, and the suit's inability to tank or to resist any explosive spam is a joke! A class ( Amarr heavy suit) that's suppose to be "point defense" can't handle a nade or 2, yet people have 3 in their pocket, and the ability to sit on a hive and spam more??!! What kind of logic is this?

No matter how well a heavy is thinking in PC, he'll get put down by either a lucky nade due to nade spam, or 1 dude holding an AR with thumbs. When last has anyone heard "MAN THE HMG IS OP!!!!"... lol... last time i heard that was from the AR leet players from Chromosome. Since Uprising came out the HMG is a joke compared to what it was.

I don't know what suits we're getting in the near future, but if they don't fix the HMG, then it won't matter! What happen to the people that actually want to play this "point defense" role? What gun should they use? A shotgun? An AR? An SMG? All these weapons are better suited to CQC battles than the HMG is, due to their ACCURACY.

Feedback to make the class better? Here we go again:

- Decrease HMG bullet spread

- Increase DMG if you're not decreasing bullet spread

- A skill to reduce spread (FFS!)

- A skill for explosive resistance

- Reduce the headshot penalties on heavies! It's not hard to shoot their heads, they're only the size of a microwave.

- Small arms resistance (?) People brought this up many times

- If none of these ideas suit you and you're still thinking buffing eHP is the solution for everything, then increase it by 50-100% because 20% is nothing, honestly, that may as well not even be done because heavies will die just as fast.

So many things I want to go off on a tangent about on this game, but this heavy issue strikes home for me because it's my class, and the chosen class of quite a few players, and the treatment and the general disregard for the class is grinding my gears.

Medium class got all their suits, got a full range of ARs, got Scrambler Rifles, new AR variants on the way. Medium class gets eveything, cool, what about the other 2 classes in this game CCP?

WHAT ABOUT THE HEAVY?

WHAT ABOUT THE SCOUT?

You have 2 classes that may as well not exist in DUST.

Heavies should STOP USING THE CLASS. Time to put up or shut up. The fact that you're complaining about the class and continue to use it shows CCP you're willing to take whatever they throw your way. This 20% increase to eHP is not enough! How about 20% decrease in HMG bullet spread? Or 20% increase in DMG?

You're giving the class something it doesn't care to have and that nobody asked for!

STOP USING THE CLASS

Time to protest like we did at the start of Uprising.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72041

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73100&find=unread

^ They made a difference, and now it's time to make a difference again.

Please link whatever thread you have that's relevant feedback or just a discussion on how to make this class better. I don't understand where CCP got this 20% increase to eHP buff from.

Edit: This will be my last Heavy thread. I'll be shamelessly bumping this thread everyday until CCP says something about the class, or I see something somewhere in some patch notes. If it gets locked, I'll make the same one, if I get banned, I'll create a new account.


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Mordecai Sanguine What The French 84	Posted - 2013.10.30 12:47:00 - [1] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Remember when heavies were feared? Remember when you heard an HMG you would think twice about confronting a heavy? Remember when it took 2-4 guys to take down a heavy? Remember when the HMG was a beast? Pepperidge Farm remembers! Like honestly, this struggle... Since Uprising 1.0 I've been fighting to get the heavy class back to when they were feared. 1.2-1.3 Heavies were alright, and even gimped they had a chance of doing decent in competitive modes. What makes a heavy good in Uprising is not the weapon he uses or the suit, is his brain and how he thinks. When a heavy does good it's because he played his arse off, not because he had an easy mode AR with him. Positioning is key and support from a logi, but even then, a logi is not a guarantee. A heavy's best friend is his way of thinking. When a class is no longer doing well IN SPITE OF his best asset, THEN THE CLASS HAS GONE TO CRAP! The HMG is too weak, and the suit's inability to tank or to resist any explosive spam is a joke! A class ( Amarr heavy suit) that's suppose to be "point defense" can't handle a nade or 2, yet people have 3 in their pocket, and the ability to sit on a hive and spam more??!! What kind of logic is this? No matter how well a heavy is thinking in PC, he'll get put down by either a lucky nade due to nade spam, or 1 dude holding an AR with thumbs. When last has anyone heard "MAN THE HMG IS OP!!!!"... lol... last time i heard that was from the AR leet players from Chromosome. Since Uprising came out the HMG is a joke compared to what it was. I don't know what suits we're getting in the near future, but if they don't fix the HMG, then it won't matter! What happen to the people that actually want to play this "point defense" role? What gun should they use? A shotgun? An AR? An SMG? All these weapons are better suited to CQC battles than the HMG is, due to their ACCURACY. Feedback to make the class better? Here we go again: - Decrease HMG bullet spread - Increase DMG if you're not decreasing bullet spread - A skill to reduce spread (FFS!) - A skill for explosive resistance - Reduce the headshot penalties on heavies! It's not hard to shoot their heads, they're only the size of a microwave. - Small arms resistance (?) People brought this up many times - If none of these ideas suit you and you're still thinking buffing eHP is the solution for everything, then increase it by 50-100% because 20% is nothing, honestly, that may as well not even be done because heavies will die just as fast. So many things I want to go off on a tangent about on this game, but this heavy issue strikes home for me because it's my class, and the chosen class of quite a few players, and the treatment and the general disregard for the class is grinding my gears. Medium class got all their suits, got a full range of ARs, got Scrambler Rifles, new AR variants on the way. Medium class gets eveything, cool, what about the other 2 classes in this game CCP? WHAT ABOUT THE HEAVY? WHAT ABOUT THE SCOUT? You have 2 classes that may as well not exist in DUST. Heavies should STOP USING THE CLASS. Time to put up or shut up. The fact that you're complaining about the class and continue to use it shows CCP you're willing to take whatever they throw your way. This 20% increase to eHP is not enough! How about 20% decrease in HMG bullet spread? Or 20% increase in DMG? You're giving the class something it doesn't care to have and that nobody asked for! STOP USING THE CLASS Time to protest like we did at the start of Uprising. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72041 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73100&find=unread ^ They made a difference, and now it's time to make a difference again. Please link whatever thread you have that's relevant feedback or just a discussion on how to make this class better. I don't understand where CCP got this 20% increase to eHP buff from. Edit: This will be my last Heavy thread. I'll be shamelessly bumping this thread everyday until CCP says something about the class, or I see something somewhere in some patch notes. If it gets locked, I'll make the same one, if I get banned, I'll create a new account. I agree with you but we should not touch the HMG damage. Damage are fine with the HMG. We should just decrease the spread as you said. The other problem with Heavy is than Assault rifle is too powerful in fact (and is 80% of the weapon in this game..) so yes you're killed in 3sec..... Amarr Sentinel is supposed to be defensive. And every heavy is supposed to tank. So here my idea. Sentinel Bonus : 3% of damage reduction from all weapons per level. (Exept Mass driver / Flaylocks and explosive weapons) Amarr sentinel Bonus : 3% of explosive resistance per level. Because defense is about explosive resistance so it's perfect for the Amarr. BUT Heavy need special WP just for him ! Heavy is supposed to tank SO because it's his role he should get WP from it. (Logi got WP from help assaults from kill and Scout from scan). He should get 25WP every 150 damage he tank when 1 allies is nearby (Radius of 10 meters). Like that Heavy will be rewarded for taking bullets and Tanking. Logi is rewarded when repair the Heavy while he got point from taking bullet while he's shoot the ennemy.