inb4 they remove forge splash damage the minute I'm specced into Forge Prof III lol

To be fair, you guys started that tactic. We hated the roofs, but we adapted.

Roof top control=Key to victory

I love my Kamehameha gun, but forging from towers does need to stop.

Honestly, it could be as simple as putting a tall container wall around the edges of the tall buildings that are only accessible by dropship. They already do this on some maps. It isn't an elegant solution, but it definitely is effective.

Forgers will always head for high ground to be more effective. But those roofs should have multiple access points so that the FG user can be countered by infantry.

Pretty much due to lolmapdesign.

It's the lamest trick in PC tbh.

It was started by keq Durring the LOI vs ROFL war (i think) that's when we saw it first hand and it gave us a loss due to it. Unfortunately it's like the core flaylock... If you don't use em.... The enemy is gunna **** you with it.

It really does suck. I mean think about it :

An anti tank weapon can solo hold an obj... Lol

It's been like this since day one and it's the biggest reason that PC Is BS that most people can't be bothered with. The match is always decided in the first two minutes of the game if one of the teams knows the cheap tactic for the map. If both teams know it comes down to whose dropship Ivan delivers first, which is entirely random. The rest of the match is a pointless mopping up exercise that can't really be called a game.

Were we the first?

not always. You guys cloned us tonight even though I got to the tower, destroyed broadway and the rest of the roof crew, and it was never contested (just a few ob drops). Still got cloned with 2 ticks left :/

CCP ninja changed forges and made this problem.

When firing a Forge gun previously before all this mess was vastly different.

Firing a forge gun previously there was always some variation where the charge would go in the large reticule a forge gun has.

This allowed for the forge gun to be used to hit large targets with good accuracy... A.K.A tanks... and dropships that didn't make themself's tiny.

However sniping infantry with the charge never going to the same spot in the reticule... was much like rolling the dice... it took a bit of skill and as much luck to sniper infantry with a forge gun.

Made it also hard to reliably take out a good DS pilot... solo

This is about CCP's choices to ninja buff the forge gun and create this problem... With absolutely no information EVER released about it in any Dev blog and patch release...


For most of the players in DUST.. it leaves us wondering WTF?!!?!?! why would they do that....

And all we can come up with is they felt pitty on the heavies for what they have done to them... and buffed their long range gun. Like a l33t ninja.

They didn't contest you? They sent 3 ships after me. Lost a Gastun's.

While it's true that the variation did fix this problem, I don't like that fix. I believe shots should be as accurate as as the player is capable of aiming them, and not randomly diverted into a different direction to punish a good player.

Hitting folks with OHK skillshots should be a thing. It's what makes the forge different than a swarm launcher. But it doesn't need the splash. You aren't going to get up on top of a tower and try to skillshot everyone to death, it's just too time consuming and difficult. You're gonna go for splash kills.

So remove the splash, keep the range, keep the accuracy. Problem solved.

I thought it was because lol lobby shooter/[insert plethora of other subdreddit excuses here] (Yay no downvotes on the forums!)

While it's true that the variation did fix this problem, I don't like that fix. I believe shots should be as accurate as as the player is capable of aiming them, and not randomly diverted into a different direction to punish a good player.

Hitting folks with OHK skillshots should be a thing. It's what makes the forge different than a swarm launcher. But it doesn't need the splash. You aren't going to get up on top of a tower and try to skillshot everyone to death, it's just too time consuming and difficult. You're gonna go for splash kills.

So remove the splash, keep the range, keep the accuracy. Problem solved.

Dust is not a lobby shooter.

From a realistic standpoint, hell yes there should be deviation.

From a gameplay standpoint I think its bad. You can be caught in a bad situation, aim perfectly to kill your assailant, and still be punished with a rogue shot going wherever it pleases.

That's bad gameplay if you have to charge your shot for so long.

where's your sidearm foo

At my side.

And let's be serious, if an AR gets the drop on you, your only chance of survival is a OHK. If you were in a lighter suit that could AVOID gunfire, then yes.. you might be able to ninja your way out of his sights and SMG his ass to death, but in a fat suit... nah, gota pray on that one shot.

At my side.

And let's be serious, if an AR gets the drop on you, your only chance of survival is a OHK. If you were in a lighter suit that could AVOID gunfire, then yes.. you might be able to ninja your way out of his sights and SMG his ass to death, but in a fat suit... nah, gota pray on that one shot.

Rooftop forges...nade spam...put a stop to this and pc might be great

I love how those abusing these tactics are beginning to say they need to be removed. It does give me hope for the future of this game. Those in power are finally willing to let go of that power so that the game can become better.

Please continue on. I support removing this awful mechanic. Where is the FPS in this game!?

oh but sir you forgot one last thing...


fix the lag as well.

oh but sir you forgot one last thing...


fix the lag as well.

Firing a forge gun previously there was always some variation where the charge would go in the large reticule a forge gun has.

This allowed for the forge gun to be used to hit large targets with good accuracy... A.K.A tanks... and dropships that didn't make themself's tiny.

However sniping infantry with the charge never going to the same spot in the reticule... was much like rolling the dice... it took a bit of skill and as much luck to sniper infantry with a forge gun.

So...if you haven't heard I've been playing some pretty talented ringer team from OH and AE. Individually the corps are pretty strong, but together, damn that's a sexy combination. One thing I've noticed since beginning our back and forth has been an adjustment we've had to make to control the towers or tall buildings. Which is fine, we get them now with my handy dandy dropship but let me tell ya...before when I'd get to the city, man they'd spam so many links and forges you simply cannot in any capacity stop them from forging almost any vehicle you spawn in addition to them being able to deny many points (I had no clue they could deny A on the bridge maps from tall buildings on home points with the large splash of the mighty zeus gun) and own city infantry on most maps.

Prior to this we strived to "contain" them with snipers, but damn, rather have them sniping our forges than dealing with the alternative.

Anyone else recognize this as the definitive strategy they encounter?

Were we the first?

not always. You guys cloned us tonight even though I got to the tower, destroyed broadway and the rest of the roof crew, and it was never contested (just a few ob drops). Still got cloned with 2 ticks left :/

I love how those abusing these tactics are beginning to say they need to be removed. It does give me hope for the future of this game. Those in power are finally willing to let go of that power so that the game can become better.

Please continue on. I support removing this awful mechanic. Where is the FPS in this game!?

As others have said, the solution is to put fences along the top of the towers. This has already been done on the roofs in the city on the orbital artillery map, so I'm sure CCP could do this quite easily if the community let them know that this is what we want.

lol. Peeps will still beat A.C.R.O.N.Y.M. even if this were removed. Those in power would still out gun game you kiddo. No hard feelings.

I'm one of the chief forgers and even I will admit I hate doing it.

Forge should be a OHK and it should have the range that it does, but I am not at all a fan of its splash. The splash is just obscene.

Problem is that they are already looking to nerf the Forges damage as AV, and if they nerf the splash too that makes it a very undesirable weapon. Considering the all-too-sad state of the current HMG as well, that puts Heavies in a really bad situation.

Buff HMG first, then whatever happens with the forge, at least we have a valid use.

Uses MD.

Asks where the FPS is in this game.

Too funny.

So BHD finally kicked you out huh? Finally realized your net worth was zero? Or wait, no they didn't kick you out, you left loud and proud and made your own badass corp that truly is a pointless acronym. Sweet!

We resort to "cheap tactics" because the best corps will do whatever is necessary to win.

You won't, which is why you will always be in a garbage corp.

And just because we are doing it, does not mean we want the game to work this way. It means we are playing the hand we have been dealt.

Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue ranting in an illogical fashion due to your inferiority complex surrounding better players?


Also the next time your dumb ass decides to use the word "scrub", recognize how the word was first introduced in the gaming community and who coined the term. Then recognize you are the scrub .

OMG, that means... All Scouts are scrubs. All of us. Every single one of us.
We use made-up rules like "we should have lower profile" and "we're the infiltrator class" and we stick to our suits despite it being objectively worse at anything we're trying to do.

Lol also Kira is right, TeamPlayers started the roof-centric games. You always had Cubs and sometimes another forger, an AR-Logi for uplinks, and most notably DJINN Hellsreaper as a sniper up there.

Good-times, good-times. I fondly remember those days. As long as that group wasn't on the communications outpost (that's "the green building" for you plebs) where the z-fighting completely obscures the roof out past 100m, I killed you guys so many times.
Remember that? "Oh no! We lost our uplinks on the roof, and our heavy and logi are dead!" "Who keeps doing that? Who the hell is Appia Vibbia?"

No, no, that's ok. keep me running uplinks. How the hell am I the most diverse player on the team? Point defense, ninja-hacks, uplinks, sniping, AV.

I thought it was because lol lobby shooter/[insert plethora of other subdreddit excuses here] (Yay no downvotes on the forums!)

When I said this months ago, I was mail a puss and many said I should use a sniper rifle.

Now anyone that ask for a fix on this pc fg camper, i'm just going to say "HTFU because all nuub like cheap kill and win".

Didn't you say something along the lines of not being a jackass about Subdreddit on the forums way back when? You're such a scrub.

Having 1 forge gunner defending that 1 point instead of wasting a squad defending it is a clever way of utilizing the forge gun and having that squad (which could of been defending that one point the FG is) attacking another point is a clever way to win PC's by flooding another point with more than 1 squad. it's not a cheap tactic, it's a clever tactic

That CAN potentially work too, but I don't want to pop all my precious uplinks and hives by accident.

If someone has the drop on you and you don't manage to get that ohk off, all those uplinks and hives are gone anyway.

We resort to "cheap tactics" because the best corps will do whatever is necessary to win.

You won't, which is why you will always be in a garbage corp.

And just because we are doing it, does not mean we want the game to work this way. It means we are playing the hand we have been dealt.

Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue ranting in an illogical fashion due to your inferiority complex surrounding better players?


Also the next time your dumb ass decides to use the word "scrub", recognize how the word was first introduced in the gaming community and who coined the term. Then recognize you are the scrub .

So...if you haven't heard I've been playing some pretty talented ringer team from OH and AE. Individually the corps are pretty strong, but together, damn that's a sexy combination. One thing I've noticed since beginning our back and forth has been an adjustment we've had to make to control the towers or tall buildings. Which is fine, we get them now with my handy dandy dropship but let me tell ya...before when I'd get to the city, man they'd spam so many links and forges you simply cannot in any capacity stop them from forging almost any vehicle you spawn in addition to them being able to deny many points (I had no clue they could deny A on the bridge maps from tall buildings on home points with the large splash of the mighty zeus gun) and own city infantry on most maps.

Prior to this we strived to "contain" them with snipers, but damn, rather have them sniping our forges than dealing with the alternative.

Anyone else recognize this as the definitive strategy they encounter?

Actually, I think you guys got it from us and we got the tactic from Zion

There's no "skill" involved with random bullet spread. See MAG's 1.03 patch. Scott Rudi ruined that game.

I can confirm that Zion used rooftop forges from Day One of PC.

Always fight from the top down, especially when once you get there, the enemy will find it almost impossible to get up there to counter you.

. Letting passengers fire from drop ships could completely alleviate this problem completely.

Can we get a dev response please.

...You know, seeing how FG sniping is plaguing your Flagship Gamemode

The tower camping in PC has gotten to pretty epidemic levels. I much preferred the glory days of forge gunning on the ground.

What we have I think is a perfect storm of map design issues, the ridiculously short range of most of the weapons in Dust, and aspects of the forge that could stand to be tweaked in terms of the splash.

The fences on the Orbital cannon map aren't high enough and the gaps between plates are too large to be truly effective. I would actually be fine with the tall towers having a kill zone like some of the tall towers on the new sockets (power exhaust or what have you). Probably one of the biggest issues is the exposed consoles and how one tower position can cover the skies and multiple objectives. There should be an element of vertical play to the game, but it has to be balanced.

CCP ninja changed forges and made this problem.

When firing a Forge gun previously before all this mess was vastly different.

Firing a forge gun previously there was always some variation where the charge would go in the large reticule a forge gun has.

This allowed for the forge gun to be used to hit large targets with good accuracy... A.K.A tanks... and dropships that didn't make themself's tiny.

However sniping infantry with the charge never going to the same spot in the reticule... was much like rolling the dice... it took a bit of skill and as much luck to sniper infantry with a forge gun.

Made it also hard to reliably take out a good DS pilot... solo

The FG should have dispersion re-introduced. Not so much that you can't hit the broad side of a tank at 100m, but enough that you are more than likely going to miss infantry. Lower the splash radius enough that that miss won't compensate for the miss and we will have a viable weapon that isn't perfectly good at everything.

Perfectly good at everything.. CQC/medium range/open fields/flat elevation? Nope, none of those things. I am all for a change but the accuracy (especially during prof 1-3) that really appealed to me, assault variants need looked at, I think if they could find a balance between standard FGs and assaults, then the infantry issue would resolve itself.

I could be mistaken but I think the real truth Behind the rail turrets functionality is the fact that a operator of the turret does not have any investment because the Forge is tied to the heavy suit and is a completely different scenario.

If you are trying to apply real-world mechanics this game you are mistaken as it has been said before the developers don't care about real world mechanic they care about gameplay balance, now with that said, turrets are low investment as they can take a high amount of abuse and you can still leave them at any time with a heavy suit you cannot do that.

I can confirm that Zion used rooftop forges from Day One of PC.

Always fight from the top down, especially when once you get there, the enemy will find it almost impossible to get up there to counter you.

Just saying, I'm pretty good at taking those roof-forgers out. yet I haven't been sniper in PC for the entire lifetime of MHPD

zion was garbage day 1 tho

I could be mistaken but I think the real truth Behind the rail turrets functionality is the fact that a operator of the turret does not have any investment because the Forge is tied to the heavy suit and is a completely different scenario.

If you are trying to apply real-world mechanics this game you are mistaken as it has been said before the developers don't care about real world mechanic they care about gameplay balance, now with that said, turrets are low investment as they can take a high amount of abuse and you can still leave them at any time with a heavy suit you cannot do that.

So...if you haven't heard I've been playing some pretty talented ringer team from OH and AE. Individually the corps are pretty strong, but together, damn that's a sexy combination. One thing I've noticed since beginning our back and forth has been an adjustment we've had to make to control the towers or tall buildings. Which is fine, we get them now with my handy dandy dropship but let me tell ya...before when I'd get to the city, man they'd spam so many links and forges you simply cannot in any capacity stop them from forging almost any vehicle you spawn in addition to them being able to deny many points (I had no clue they could deny A on the bridge maps from tall buildings on home points with the large splash of the mighty zeus gun) and own city infantry on most maps.

Prior to this we strived to "contain" them with snipers, but damn, rather have them sniping our forges than dealing with the alternative.

Anyone else recognize this as the definitive strategy they encounter?

Anyone else recognize this as the definitive strategy they encounter?