DUST Search - Roof forgers a problem in PC.

Cass Caul wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

We resort to "cheap tactics" because the best corps will do whatever is necessary to win.

You won't, which is why you will always be in a garbage corp.

And just because we are doing it, does not mean we want the game to work this way. It means we are playing the hand we have been dealt.

Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue ranting in an illogical fashion due to your inferiority complex surrounding better players?

Also the next time your dumb ass decides to use the word "scrub", recognize how the word was first introduced in the gaming community and who coined the term. Then recognize you are the scrub .

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The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevent him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant.

OMG, that means... All Scouts are scrubs. All of us. Every single one of us.
We use made-up rules like "we should have lower profile" and "we're the infiltrator class" and we stick to our suits despite it being objectively worse at anything we're trying to do.

Lol also Kira is right, TeamPlayers started the roof-centric games. You always had Cubs and sometimes another forger, an AR-Logi for uplinks, and most notably DJINN Hellsreaper as a sniper up there.

Good-times, good-times. I fondly remember those days. As long as that group wasn't on the communications outpost (that's "the green building" for you plebs) where the z-fighting completely obscures the roof out past 100m, I killed you guys so many times.
Remember that? "Oh no! We lost our uplinks on the roof, and our heavy and logi are dead!" "Who keeps doing that? Who the hell is Appia Vibbia?"

No, no, that's ok. keep me running uplinks. How the hell am I the most diverse player on the team? Point defense, ninja-hacks, uplinks, sniping, AV.


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Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2030	Posted - 2013.10.27 06:03:00 - [1] - Quote I'm one of the chief forgers and even I will admit I hate doing it. Forge should be a OHK and it should have the range that it does, but I am not at all a fan of its splash. The splash is just obscene. Problem is that they are already looking to nerf the Forges damage as AV, and if they nerf the splash too that makes it a very undesirable weapon. Considering the all-too-sad state of the current HMG as well, that puts Heavies in a really bad situation. Buff HMG first, then whatever happens with the forge, at least we have a valid use.
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2030	Posted - 2013.10.27 06:28:00 - [2] - Quote Bethhy wrote: CCP ninja changed forges and made this problem. When firing a Forge gun previously before all this mess was vastly different. Firing a forge gun previously there was always some variation where the charge would go in the large reticule a forge gun has. This allowed for the forge gun to be used to hit large targets with good accuracy... A.K.A tanks... and dropships that didn't make themself's tiny. However sniping infantry with the charge never going to the same spot in the reticule... was much like rolling the dice... it took a bit of skill and as much luck to sniper infantry with a forge gun. Made it also hard to reliably take out a good DS pilot... solo This is about CCP's choices to ninja buff the forge gun and create this problem... With absolutely no information EVER released about it in any Dev blog and patch release... For most of the players in DUST.. it leaves us wondering WTF?!!?!?! why would they do that.... And all we can come up with is they felt pitty on the heavies for what they have done to them... and buffed their long range gun. Like a l33t ninja. While it's true that the variation did fix this problem, I don't like that fix. I believe shots should be as accurate as as the player is capable of aiming them, and not randomly diverted into a different direction to punish a good player. Hitting folks with OHK skillshots should be a thing. It's what makes the forge different than a swarm launcher. But it doesn't need the splash. You aren't going to get up on top of a tower and try to skillshot everyone to death, it's just too time consuming and difficult. You're gonna go for splash kills. So remove the splash, keep the range, keep the accuracy. Problem solved.
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2030	Posted - 2013.10.27 06:37:00 - [3] - Quote I think I first saw the tactic on a production facility via OSG or something. Synergy picked it up and ordered me to start doing it, and then we abused it during the war with Hellstorm. Then everyone else started using it as well. Dumb stuff like that spreads like wildfire, but you really can't contain it even if you want to. You just have to hope you do it better than everyone else, or develop a counter more effective than anyone else.
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2031	Posted - 2013.10.27 06:42:00 - [4] - Quote From a realistic standpoint, hell yes there should be deviation. From a gameplay standpoint I think its bad. You can be caught in a bad situation, aim perfectly to kill your assailant, and still be punished with a rogue shot going wherever it pleases. That's bad gameplay if you have to charge your shot for so long.
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2031	Posted - 2013.10.27 06:51:00 - [5] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: From a realistic standpoint, hell yes there should be deviation. From a gameplay standpoint I think its bad. You can be caught in a bad situation, aim perfectly to kill your assailant, and still be punished with a rogue shot going wherever it pleases. That's bad gameplay if you have to charge your shot for so long. where's your sidearm foo At my side. And let's be serious, if an AR gets the drop on you, your only chance of survival is a OHK. If you were in a lighter suit that could AVOID gunfire, then yes.. you might be able to ninja your way out of his sights and SMG his ass to death, but in a fat suit... nah, gota pray on that one shot.
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2033	Posted - 2013.10.27 07:03:00 - [6] - Quote That CAN potentially work too, but I don't want to pop all my precious uplinks and hives by accident.
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2034	Posted - 2013.10.27 16:34:00 - [7] - Quote We resort to "cheap tactics" because the best corps will do whatever is necessary to win. You won't, which is why you will always be in a garbage corp. And just because we are doing it, does not mean we want the game to work this way. It means we are playing the hand we have been dealt. Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue ranting in an illogical fashion due to your inferiority complex surrounding better players?
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2039	Posted - 2013.10.27 19:03:00 - [8] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We resort to "cheap tactics" because the best corps will do whatever is necessary to win. You won't, which is why you will always be in a garbage corp. And just because we are doing it, does not mean we want the game to work this way. It means we are playing the hand we have been dealt. Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue ranting in an illogical fashion due to your inferiority complex surrounding better players? Also the next time your dumb ass decides to use the word "scrub", recognize how the word was first introduced in the gaming community and who coined the term. Then recognize you are the scrub . Quote: The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevent him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant. OMG, that means... All Scouts are scrubs. All of us. Every single one of us. We use made-up rules like "we should have lower profile" and "we're the infiltrator class" and we stick to our suits despite it being objectively worse at anything we're trying to do. Lol also Kira is right, TeamPlayers started the roof-centric games. You always had Cubs and sometimes another forger, an AR-Logi for uplinks, and most notably DJINN Hellsreaper as a sniper up there. Good-times, good-times. I fondly remember those days. As long as that group wasn't on the communications outpost (that's "the green building" for you plebs) where the z-fighting completely obscures the roof out past 100m, I killed you guys so many times. Remember that? "Oh no! We lost our uplinks on the roof, and our heavy and logi are dead!" "Who keeps doing that? Who the hell is Appia Vibbia?" No, no, that's ok. keep me running uplinks. How the hell am I the most diverse player on the team? Point defense, ninja-hacks, uplinks, sniping, AV. If you stick to a code of conduct that promotes losing and does not contribute anything useful, then yes, you are a scrub. Not meant as an insult, but that IS the definition. And it doesn't matter who started the rooftop shenanigans. As soon as one person started, everyone was bound to follow. Winners are obligated to use the best possible tactics to win. There is no judgment going on here. What is going on is a discussion as to how silly the mechanic is, and why it should be removed from the game itself. I'm not about to ask any player to stop doing it because its "unfair".
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2041	Posted - 2013.10.27 20:20:00 - [9] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: That CAN potentially work too, but I don't want to pop all my precious uplinks and hives by accident. If someone has the drop on you and you don't manage to get that ohk off, all those uplinks and hives are gone anyway. Around half of the time they miss an uplink before I, or someone else, can respawn and stop what they are doing. Reality is not the paper scenario that should happen every time.