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Zatara Rought
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1410
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Posted - 2013.10.27 06:57:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:From a realistic standpoint, hell yes there should be deviation.
From a gameplay standpoint I think its bad. You can be caught in a bad situation, aim perfectly to kill your assailant, and still be punished with a rogue shot going wherever it pleases.
That's bad gameplay if you have to charge your shot for so long. where's your sidearm foo At my side. And let's be serious, if an AR gets the drop on you, your only chance of survival is a OHK. If you were in a lighter suit that could AVOID gunfire, then yes.. you might be able to ninja your way out of his sights and SMG his ass to death, but in a fat suit... nah, gota pray on that one shot.
Ah...see I just cook a core when peeps get the drop on me. But i never spam, my nades have an address |
Himiko Kuronaga
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
2033
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:03:00 -
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That CAN potentially work too, but I don't want to pop all my precious uplinks and hives by accident. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
220
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:03:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:From a realistic standpoint, hell yes there should be deviation.
From a gameplay standpoint I think its bad. You can be caught in a bad situation, aim perfectly to kill your assailant, and still be punished with a rogue shot going wherever it pleases.
That's bad gameplay if you have to charge your shot for so long. where's your sidearm foo At my side. And let's be serious, if an AR gets the drop on you, your only chance of survival is a OHK. If you were in a lighter suit that could AVOID gunfire, then yes.. you might be able to ninja your way out of his sights and SMG his ass to death, but in a fat suit... nah, gota pray on that one shot.
Really that could be true of any suit with any weapons in any situation... When someone get's the drop on.
Fat suit's setup and equiped for forgeing are usually never fitted to dual assault AR's in a close/med range gun fight.. Much like the sniper on the hill... Long range weapons and suit's operate like that across the board...Even the AR Tac user is the same.
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
284
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:31:00 -
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I love how those abusing these tactics are beginning to say they need to be removed. It does give me hope for the future of this game. Those in power are finally willing to let go of that power so that the game can become better.
Please continue on. I support removing this awful mechanic. Where is the FPS in this game!? |
ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
325
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:38:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Rooftop forges...nade spam...put a stop to this and pc might be great
oh but sir you forgot one last thing...
fix the lag as well.
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Zatara Rought
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1412
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:40:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:I love how those abusing these tactics are beginning to say they need to be removed. It does give me hope for the future of this game. Those in power are finally willing to let go of that power so that the game can become better.
Please continue on. I support removing this awful mechanic. Where is the FPS in this game!?
lol. Peeps will still beat A.C.R.O.N.Y.M. even if this were removed. Those in power would still out gun game you kiddo. No hard feelings.
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Zatara Rought
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1412
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:41:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Rooftop forges...nade spam...put a stop to this and pc might be great oh but sir you forgot one last thing... fix the lag as well.
Don't dilute my discussion. |
Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles
1632
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:42:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Rooftop forges...nade spam...put a stop to this and pc might be great oh but sir you forgot one last thing... fix the lag as well.
Lol some of the lag might come from the uplink spam....
I'm pretty sure it does.
*throws militia uplink, standard uplink, stable uplink, r9 uplink*
*LAG* |
TODDSTER024
Revive Repair Resupply
148
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:47:00 -
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Have ypu tried forgeing a tank head on? I only do that when theres a tank needing to get blown up. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1572
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:57:00 -
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Actually the vertical warfare would be extremely fun and add a whole other dimension to battles IF we could contest the rooftops.
Right now, once you secure the rooftops with a prototype forge gun and uplinks, anything short of an orbital won't clear it, and some roofs have those NULL cannon emplacements that you can hide under.
Calling in a dropship is loud and proud, and visible to every person with an eye or two. Forgers will waste no time landing 1 shot on the dropship before it's even on the ground, and the second will be on its way before the pilot can take off, and the ship is gone before it's even got passengers.
Buff dropships, reduce the sway induced by forge gun hits, make dropping passengers from a moving dropship more accurate (I know where my passengers will fall from experience but it takes incredible timing to tell them to jump, account for the delay between when I say it and when they hear it and the reaction time for them to jump, also not everyone will jump because they assume they won't be flung forward due to the momentum so my squad will be all over the place) and then we can get some battles happening in the air and on the rooftops.
Right now forge gunners can so easily hit my ship that the only way to confuse them is to confuse myself with where I fly, meaning it's nigh on impossible to get people on the roof where the forge gunner is in the first place. |
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1024
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Posted - 2013.10.27 07:58:00 -
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Its taken this long for you to realise how fking sht PC is because of these kind of ***** tactics, granted its a tactic but that still doesn't excuse it from being some ***** sht, I'll bet even the forge gunners are sick of it as well lol.
Anyway where's my worlds tiniest violin, its been a while. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1131
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Posted - 2013.10.27 08:51:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:
Firing a forge gun previously there was always some variation where the charge would go in the large reticule a forge gun has.
This allowed for the forge gun to be used to hit large targets with good accuracy... A.K.A tanks... and dropships that didn't make themself's tiny.
However sniping infantry with the charge never going to the same spot in the reticule... was much like rolling the dice... it took a bit of skill and as much luck to sniper infantry with a forge gun.
There's no "skill" involved with random bullet spread. See MAG's 1.03 patch. Scott Rudi ruined that game. |
CrotchGrab 360
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
364
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Posted - 2013.10.27 09:22:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:So...if you haven't heard I've been playing some pretty talented ringer team from OH and AE. Individually the corps are pretty strong, but together, damn that's a sexy combination. One thing I've noticed since beginning our back and forth has been an adjustment we've had to make to control the towers or tall buildings. Which is fine, we get them now with my handy dandy dropship but let me tell ya...before when I'd get to the city, man they'd spam so many links and forges you simply cannot in any capacity stop them from forging almost any vehicle you spawn in addition to them being able to deny many points (I had no clue they could deny A on the bridge maps from tall buildings on home points with the large splash of the mighty zeus gun) and own city infantry on most maps. Prior to this we strived to "contain" them with snipers, but damn, rather have them sniping our forges than dealing with the alternative. Anyone else recognize this as the definitive strategy they encounter?
yeeeehhh camping on roofs involves sooooooooooooo much skill. PC seems to be where all the kids play.
Yes I know I'd get my ass handed to me against people who actually know how to play but if these corps are so good why do they resort to such cheap tactics? especially being elite top players.
are the competition scared of competition? i think everybody should be forced to fight down on the ground, go down like a scrub, get humiliated, but you're not going to go hide on top of a ******* tower you're going to take your deaths like a man.
I've even died 17 times in a match once just to win and prove a point, I won't give up if victory is in sight.
So people who camp on roofs really don't impress me much, got to try harder for the win. |
Himiko Kuronaga
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
2034
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Posted - 2013.10.27 16:34:00 -
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We resort to "cheap tactics" because the best corps will do whatever is necessary to win.
You won't, which is why you will always be in a garbage corp.
And just because we are doing it, does not mean we want the game to work this way. It means we are playing the hand we have been dealt.
Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue ranting in an illogical fashion due to your inferiority complex surrounding better players? |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
723
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Posted - 2013.10.27 16:46:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:To be fair, you guys started that tactic. We hated the roofs, but we adapted.
Roof top control=Key to victory Were we the first? not always. You guys cloned us tonight even though I got to the tower, destroyed broadway and the rest of the roof crew, and it was never contested (just a few ob drops). Still got cloned with 2 ticks left :/
Actually, I think you guys got it from us and we got the tactic from Zion |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
145
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Posted - 2013.10.27 16:50:00 -
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They should NOT remove forge splash damage. This would make the FG very underpowered at ground level, so heavies would only have one useable gun, and even that is next to useless beyond 25m.
As others have said, the solution is to put fences along the top of the towers. This has already been done on the roofs in the city on the orbital artillery map, so I'm sure CCP could do this quite easily if the community let them know that this is what we want. |
Knight Soiaire
P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M
2791
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Posted - 2013.10.27 16:53:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:I love how those abusing these tactics are beginning to say they need to be removed. It does give me hope for the future of this game. Those in power are finally willing to let go of that power so that the game can become better.
Please continue on. I support removing this awful mechanic. Where is the FPS in this game!?
Uses MD.
Asks where the FPS is in this game.
Too funny. |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2013.10.27 17:01:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:As others have said, the solution is to put fences along the top of the towers. This has already been done on the roofs in the city on the orbital artillery map, so I'm sure CCP could do this quite easily if the community let them know that this is what we want.
Better yet, just make the top of every building one of those bottomless lava pits that the devs insist on placing directly beneath the f'n MCC!!!!! |
Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
286
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Posted - 2013.10.27 17:39:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Cenex Langly wrote:I love how those abusing these tactics are beginning to say they need to be removed. It does give me hope for the future of this game. Those in power are finally willing to let go of that power so that the game can become better.
Please continue on. I support removing this awful mechanic. Where is the FPS in this game!? lol. Peeps will still beat A.C.R.O.N.Y.M. even if this were removed. Those in power would still out gun game you kiddo. No hard feelings.
You're so hardcore bro.
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CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
1307
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Posted - 2013.10.27 17:43:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I'm one of the chief forgers and even I will admit I hate doing it.
Forge should be a OHK and it should have the range that it does, but I am not at all a fan of its splash. The splash is just obscene.
Problem is that they are already looking to nerf the Forges damage as AV, and if they nerf the splash too that makes it a very undesirable weapon. Considering the all-too-sad state of the current HMG as well, that puts Heavies in a really bad situation.
Buff HMG first, then whatever happens with the forge, at least we have a valid use.
This is the truth. |
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
286
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Posted - 2013.10.27 17:45:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Cenex Langly wrote:I love how those abusing these tactics are beginning to say they need to be removed. It does give me hope for the future of this game. Those in power are finally willing to let go of that power so that the game can become better.
Please continue on. I support removing this awful mechanic. Where is the FPS in this game!? Uses MD. Asks where the FPS is in this game. Too funny.
So BHD finally kicked you out huh? Finally realized your net worth was zero? Or wait, no they didn't kick you out, you left loud and proud and made your own badass corp that truly is a pointless acronym. Sweet! |
Knight Soiaire
P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M
2793
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Posted - 2013.10.27 17:51:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Cenex Langly wrote:I love how those abusing these tactics are beginning to say they need to be removed. It does give me hope for the future of this game. Those in power are finally willing to let go of that power so that the game can become better.
Please continue on. I support removing this awful mechanic. Where is the FPS in this game!? Uses MD. Asks where the FPS is in this game. Too funny. So BHD finally kicked you out huh? Finally realized your net worth was zero? Or wait, no they didn't kick you out, you left loud and proud and made your own badass corp that truly is a pointless acronym. Sweet!
Yeah, BHD kicked me out alright!
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Cass Caul
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:48:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:We resort to "cheap tactics" because the best corps will do whatever is necessary to win. You won't, which is why you will always be in a garbage corp. And just because we are doing it, does not mean we want the game to work this way. It means we are playing the hand we have been dealt. Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue ranting in an illogical fashion due to your inferiority complex surrounding better players? Also the next time your dumb ass decides to use the word "scrub", recognize how the word was first introduced in the gaming community and who coined the term. Then recognize you are the scrub . Quote:The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevent him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant.
OMG, that means... All Scouts are scrubs. All of us. Every single one of us. We use made-up rules like "we should have lower profile" and "we're the infiltrator class" and we stick to our suits despite it being objectively worse at anything we're trying to do.
Lol also Kira is right, TeamPlayers started the roof-centric games. You always had Cubs and sometimes another forger, an AR-Logi for uplinks, and most notably DJINN Hellsreaper as a sniper up there.
Good-times, good-times. I fondly remember those days. As long as that group wasn't on the communications outpost (that's "the green building" for you plebs) where the z-fighting completely obscures the roof out past 100m, I killed you guys so many times. Remember that? "Oh no! We lost our uplinks on the roof, and our heavy and logi are dead!" "Who keeps doing that? Who the hell is Appia Vibbia?"
No, no, that's ok. keep me running uplinks. How the hell am I the most diverse player on the team? Point defense, ninja-hacks, uplinks, sniping, AV. |
Zatara Rought
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1422
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:54:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Yeah, BHD kicked me out alright!
I was merely pointing out some logic to the kiddo and now he's all hurtzies inside. Sorry bro. Just Saiyan |
Himiko Kuronaga
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
2039
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:03:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:We resort to "cheap tactics" because the best corps will do whatever is necessary to win. You won't, which is why you will always be in a garbage corp. And just because we are doing it, does not mean we want the game to work this way. It means we are playing the hand we have been dealt. Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue ranting in an illogical fashion due to your inferiority complex surrounding better players? Also the next time your dumb ass decides to use the word "scrub", recognize how the word was first introduced in the gaming community and who coined the term. Then recognize you are the scrub . Quote:The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevent him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant. OMG, that means... All Scouts are scrubs. All of us. Every single one of us. We use made-up rules like "we should have lower profile" and "we're the infiltrator class" and we stick to our suits despite it being objectively worse at anything we're trying to do. Lol also Kira is right, TeamPlayers started the roof-centric games. You always had Cubs and sometimes another forger, an AR-Logi for uplinks, and most notably DJINN Hellsreaper as a sniper up there. Good-times, good-times. I fondly remember those days. As long as that group wasn't on the communications outpost (that's "the green building" for you plebs) where the z-fighting completely obscures the roof out past 100m, I killed you guys so many times. Remember that? "Oh no! We lost our uplinks on the roof, and our heavy and logi are dead!" "Who keeps doing that? Who the hell is Appia Vibbia?" No, no, that's ok. keep me running uplinks. How the hell am I the most diverse player on the team? Point defense, ninja-hacks, uplinks, sniping, AV.
If you stick to a code of conduct that promotes losing and does not contribute anything useful, then yes, you are a scrub. Not meant as an insult, but that IS the definition.
And it doesn't matter who started the rooftop shenanigans. As soon as one person started, everyone was bound to follow. Winners are obligated to use the best possible tactics to win. There is no judgment going on here.
What is going on is a discussion as to how silly the mechanic is, and why it should be removed from the game itself. I'm not about to ask any player to stop doing it because its "unfair". |
Delanus Turgias
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
153
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:05:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Kristoff Atruin wrote:It's been like this since day one and it's the biggest reason that PC Is BS that most people can't be bothered with. The match is always decided in the first two minutes of the game if one of the teams knows the cheap tactic for the map. If both teams know it comes down to whose dropship Ivan delivers first, which is entirely random. The rest of the match is a pointless mopping up exercise that can't really be called a game. I thought it was because lol lobby shooter/[insert plethora of other subdreddit excuses here] (Yay no downvotes on the forums!) Didn't you say something along the lines of not being a jackass about Subdreddit on the forums way back when? You're such a scrub. |
JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
195
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:07:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:When I said this months ago, I was mail a puss and many said I should use a sniper rifle.
Now anyone that ask for a fix on this pc fg camper, i'm just going to say "HTFU because all nuub like cheap kill and win".
That's how it works on these forums, 80 percent of these people on the forums are kind of ******** and can't decide what they really want, make a post about something, everyone rips you apart saying its dumb, then a month later someone else brings up the same subject you brought up and all of a sudden there is a change of heart... |
Joel II X
AHPA
77
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:10:00 -
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Pull out your Thales and complex damage mods.
But, I know everyone prefers to have a good frame rate first and foremost. |
Roner General
Ancient Exiles
111
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:21:00 -
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Having 1 forge gunner defending that 1 point instead of wasting a squad defending it is a clever way of utilizing the forge gun and having that squad (which could of been defending that one point the FG is) attacking another point is a clever way to win PC's by flooding another point with more than 1 squad. it's not a cheap tactic, it's a clever tactic |
Zatara Rought
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1424
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:32:00 -
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Delanus Turgias wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Kristoff Atruin wrote:It's been like this since day one and it's the biggest reason that PC Is BS that most people can't be bothered with. The match is always decided in the first two minutes of the game if one of the teams knows the cheap tactic for the map. If both teams know it comes down to whose dropship Ivan delivers first, which is entirely random. The rest of the match is a pointless mopping up exercise that can't really be called a game. I thought it was because lol lobby shooter/[insert plethora of other subdreddit excuses here] (Yay no downvotes on the forums!) Didn't you say something along the lines of not being a jackass about Subdreddit on the forums way back when? You're such a scrub.
Scrub.....LOLOLOLOL..go look up what a scrub is....why don't you just go find a god copy/pasta or organize another "**** fit" night Turdias.
I always got a few spare jackass comments with the "secret" ingredient [LOGIC!] for the hypocrites who couldn't be bothered with Rediquette and downvote regardless of content. Unofficial indeed.
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