@ Void Echo
1-aren't you being a bit selfish by wanting tankers to be on the same level as dropsuits? I mean come on... tanks are 50 ton vehicles more than twice the size of infantry, if I don't have fun in the class I wanted to play as, why does that class even exist? plus... if you want an infantry only game, there is call of duty, if CCP didn't want vehicles to be deployed in matches, they wouldv never put them in the game.

2-I don't mainly play as infantry but I have several million SP I put into gallente assault, so yeah Id say that stats are wrong on the basics, the weapons, the dropsits... almost everything in this game needs to be reworked imo.

3-this isn't purely an FPS game, I hope you do realize that, as long as there is a skill system set up to train your character for specific roles instead of just mindless shooting and leveling up in general, then the game isn't purely an FPS. this game allow people to skill up their characters into specific roles and classes, that's RPGing, if you want a game that jut levels you up in general, again its called call of duty.


4- if the natural advantage basically makes the opposing class null and practically non-existent or non-usable at all, then there is no balance....

5- that person doesn't have nearly as much SP as I do halfway, he should never be on the level needed to fight me if doesn't put investment into his class like I did mine.


1-I dont want tankers to be at the same level as dropsuits. I want tankers to stop stomping on pub matches SOLO ,since the blue dots cant play together,they dont know any better. I want a Good AV player to be able to hold back 1 Good tanker and get WP for it,even if it doesnt mean destroying the tank.At the end of the day,regarless of play style, is 1 player vs another player.

2-we agree on something for a change.

3-Well it isnt purely a MMORPG either,i hope you realize that. CCP IS SELLING DUST as an FPS , with some RPG elements.
They are not selling it as it is world of tanks not twisted metal. Balance is needed for a FPS to be sucessful.
I dont like CoD, my first FPS was MAG.I like difficulty. BUT in this kind of games, more time invested + SP means a SLIGHT advantage over your enemy,if both have equal skill. Doesnt mean a 20mill player with little skill must win over a skilled player with 5 mill only because he has more skillpoints. THIS kills games same as pay to win...

4-The problem is,regardless of what tankers say, me and MANY more people just see tanks owning in the battlefield. You say AV is OP and takes down tanks instantly, and 1 player can solo a tank, but we just DONT see it.
we agree as in the 2nd point,it needs rework.

5-The problem is, They are being put in THE SAME MATCH AS YOU. whats the point of putting a player of 5mill vs another team with only 15mill+ players if he cant do anything about it?
While games mix players of different SP levels, everybody must have a chance to drop everybody. ITS FAIR.

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@ Adamace (wow im getting a beating here from tankers ..)

1-Yes but you have not put any effort or risk into using that fit, that is why AV is easy mode. I care not for balance, only the amount of effort someone has put into something.

2-Effort you never have to put in while Aving. If you put in 12m Sp into destroying tanks I would have no problem, you haven't put the same amount of effort in as a tanker has, thus solo you should never be able to beat them.

1-Effort? yeap. I'm missing on fun infatry vs infatry kills in order to spend a whole game hunting a tank,sometimes not even killing it,always not getting WP for pushing it back. Also, you care not for balance adamance, then why should WE AV infantry care for balance then...? You dont care for balance, and Void wants to get in a Pub match and unless we hace 3+ PROTO AV specialist working together,he want to be indestructible... I mean, lol.
The amount of effor will and SHOULD never be more powerful than SKILL, NEVER. SKILL > ALL

2-In this case, SP needed for tanks must be level to Infantry level, so that being a specialized AVer (with all things into consideration,dropsuit,weapon,sidearm,equipment,moddules,etc...) matches being a specialized tanker.

Why? I can walk into matches and have games better than I ever would have done in a tank.

how many ******* times do I have to say this?

1-I don't invulnerability, that would be boring, I want survivability....

2-its NOT my fault that your bluetarded teammates wont bring out any AV when an enemy tank is rolling around, you shouldn't be blaming the tanker for that, you should be blaming 80% of the infantry that play this game.

Why? I can walk into matches and have games better than I ever would have done in a tank.

really, using what? I have yet to come close to a 5000 wp game with my logi character. 25's more of a low average. I also think it requires considerably less skill to pilot tanks. A few learning experiences, and some situational awareness and your good to go. The problem with tanks is that good builds are really set in stone. once you meet the requirements for them you can go around slaughtering infantry.

1-ok on that part im not disagreeing with you on this BUT, the AV should be able to solo a tanker ONLY if hes on the same tier level as the tanker: adv v adv, std vs std, proto vs proto... granted proto should be able to destroy several tanks with average effort put in.

2-if you don't want tanks to own in pubs (im assuming you mean ambush because I can only dominate in a tank with a tanker squad in skirmish) then get your teammates to bring in AV.

3-theres no way we are going to allow a single AV guy to kill off a fully decked tanker who knows wtf hes doing.

Respect you as a player, but you comments regarding vehicles always suck. Please just keep quiet on the subject, or become more flexible in your suggestions, in the same way I tell tankers to relax and consider what changes can be made without ******* one set of people over.

Also if you think tanks are easy mode and they don't have to make choice you are an idiot like Void Echo says, I play, and have played infantry for months now, its easy, it takes only a modicum of skill to get good at infantry foot work, and isn't all that complex.

you forgot the part where a single dropsuit loss will set the player back almost a whole day to get it back, and that the dropsuit player would have to worry about terrain, random bluetards, invisible explosives, unseen bolts of light coming from across the map or a high tower and many, many more things.


like adamance said, stop posting, hardly anyone respects your opinion on vehicles because you openly hate everything that's not call of duty style. just stop.

ADV Amarr Assault. It requires a different kind of skill to run infy.

even more of the better AVers agree with tankers that tanks should be buffed.. look around, youl see AVers complaining that they are bored with how easy it is to kill us..

I kill HAV's with my Wiki swarms on a daily basis. As a mater of fact, I just smashed 3 HAV's (one barely escaped) just 15 minutes ago in a PC. I also do Scout shotty/sniper. Lastly, I fly DS's, and drive LAV's as well, so I do a lot more than just drive HAV's. Come at me.

Oh so i've never said that tanks need a buff? YES I HAVE. This are my points overall:

1--Tanks need buff
2--AVers need to NOT be able to kill a tank of hiher level SOLO BUT; be able to make a profit pushing it back in occations.
3--I know you dont care about your enemy specialization earning WP, but i do care about WP gain for tanks,as for in search for balance,both sides must be able to make a profit.
4--Armor tanks are by no means UNDERPOWERED.


I just..despise tankers saying they get 1 HKOd by AV and i have NEVER done that...
And i have Proto AV..
I have taken out tanks alon, OF COURSE.But its never easy unless they are MLT....

4. actually they are only average if not op against shield tanks, gunnlogi and sicas... everything has explosive bonus damage against armor so that makes armor more disadvantaged against AV than shield tanks are.

IT IS TRUE, however; Armor repairers are broken as hell too,and i dont see tankers complaining about them.
Broken vs Broken = weird balance.

I mean if a tank can take 6 of MY Swarms , plus 4 proximity mines plus 2 packedgrenades in less than 30 secs.... see where im going?

But this aspect of the game is OVERALL f***d up, no need to start fighting over this again,lets just leave it as it needs a fix.

so in other words, You are admitting they are not UP, just not as good as they should be: +1

That just tells me you're doing it wrong by trying to solo a tanker.

there are some situations...

tank v tank: armor has the advantage over shield, been that way for a while now and shield need to be buffed to be on par so they are at least viable for tank combat.

AV v tank: armor is at a big disadvantage because everything has explosive damage bonuses against armor, shield doesn't suffer this disadvantage.

Oh so i've never said that tanks need a buff? YES I HAVE. This are my points overall:

1--Tanks need buff
2--AVers need to NOT be able to kill a tank of hiher level SOLO BUT; be able to make a profit pushing it back in occations.
3--I know you dont care about your enemy specialization earning WP, but i do care about WP gain for tanks,as for in search for balance,both sides must be able to make a profit.
4--Armor tanks are by no means UNDERPOWERED.


I just..despise tankers saying they get 1 HKOd by AV and i have NEVER done that...
And i have Proto AV..
I have taken out tanks alon, OF COURSE.But its never easy unless they are MLT....

You didnt smash 3 tanks by yourself, LIAR.
And as you told ME: I dont believe you


I didnt ask any of that , because i dont care.byes

But they are NOT UP because they are good vs shield tanks, Insta kill infantry (im exagerating of course) and with broken armor reps, they survive fights.
I agree they are not as good as they should be. But i insist , they are not UP as many claim. In the correct situation, a 6k Maddy can be unkillable...

Thats all im saying.

Ask anyone in my corp online. Blew up three, ran out of ammo before I could kill the last (damn nanohives running out....) and got killed by a 'construct' HMG, in which I got confused because construct is Caldari Constructions, but the HMG is a Matari weapon. As you said, I do HAV's, so I know how they move, and know their weaknesses. Don't underestimate me.

question... are you focusing on AV v tanks or tank v tank? because theres a difference between stances on both those topics.

But they are NOT UP because they are good vs shield tanks, Insta kill infantry (im exagerating of course) and with broken armor reps, they survive fights.
I agree they are not as good as they should be. But i insist , they are not UP as many claim. In the correct situation, a 6k Maddy with a good driver can be unkillable...

Thats all im saying.